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So what does happen when you die?
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Hmmm ... tough question. What happens ater you die?
What happens when you die, also, by definition, cease to exist?
I know the answer ...
You cease to exist.
Game Over
It's kind of funny (but also sad) to think that there are some people wandering around this earth thinking that the real thing is going to happen after they're dead.
What happens when you die, also, by definition, cease to exist?
I know the answer ...
You cease to exist.
Game Over
It's kind of funny (but also sad) to think that there are some people wandering around this earth thinking that the real thing is going to happen after they're dead.
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I do know that I'm going to make the best of it before I die, because when I die, by definition, I will cease to exist.
There may indeed be life after death, but I think I'll figure it out when I get there rather than fuss about it before I cease to exist.
There may indeed be life after death, but I think I'll figure it out when I get there rather than fuss about it before I cease to exist.
Good attitude, I say do as you'd like to be done to, so that whatever happens you have no regrets later and no use fretting over what we don't know or can't change. :smile:
So, those who think - well, no they are SURE - that when they die there is nothing:
Do you feel the same way when you go to bed at night? Do you think that there is no tomorrow? How can you be sure you'll wake up to another day? How can you be so sure that after the BIG SLEEP there is no tomorrow?
You are probably one of the "HOPE AND CHANGE" crowd. But you give up HOPE? Think that nothing chages?
Like the commercial says: PITY!
Do you feel the same way when you go to bed at night? Do you think that there is no tomorrow? How can you be sure you'll wake up to another day? How can you be so sure that after the BIG SLEEP there is no tomorrow?
You are probably one of the "HOPE AND CHANGE" crowd. But you give up HOPE? Think that nothing chages?
Like the commercial says: PITY!
What is hope but wishful thinking. When you set out on a road trip, you don't spend weeks planning how you will cross every bridge you will come to... or maybe some do, but it does seem to be a waste of time because you would have just missed a few weeks worrying about the trip instead of actually living your life.
Dattaswami, your composure is amazing. Shows good upbringing. Despite comments like "blowing smoke from your arse" and "barking up the wrong tree" from friends on this forum, you have just been articulating your viewpoints without giving back in kind. Keep it up. Though there is room for improvement (as is always the case with everything), your posts, style, and composure are excellent.
One suggestion though. Don't be apologetic about being of a particular faith. Don't try to bring consensus among the views of various religions. Faiths and views vary and that's how they add richness and choice to philosophy. Some persons on this forum who can't tell a transistor from a transgender cannot be and (need not be) convinced. Don't waste your valuable time explaining to them. Elaborate to those who request it with decorum. Intimidating nature is often the indicator of inferiority complex and lack of knowledge. So ignore such people and hold your fort.
And for those who claim to have "life's wisdom" on their side, I can only pity the utter limitedness of their minds. Cliffy is particularly in the Valley (may be he's fallen off the cliff already)! And by the way, Cliffy, to see who is really proselytizing, get out of your groove, travel the world, and see for yourself. It will definitely enrich your "wisdom". You, as an unevolved soul, have my deepest sympathy.
One suggestion though. Don't be apologetic about being of a particular faith. Don't try to bring consensus among the views of various religions. Faiths and views vary and that's how they add richness and choice to philosophy. Some persons on this forum who can't tell a transistor from a transgender cannot be and (need not be) convinced. Don't waste your valuable time explaining to them. Elaborate to those who request it with decorum. Intimidating nature is often the indicator of inferiority complex and lack of knowledge. So ignore such people and hold your fort.
And for those who claim to have "life's wisdom" on their side, I can only pity the utter limitedness of their minds. Cliffy is particularly in the Valley (may be he's fallen off the cliff already)! And by the way, Cliffy, to see who is really proselytizing, get out of your groove, travel the world, and see for yourself. It will definitely enrich your "wisdom". You, as an unevolved soul, have my deepest sympathy.
Aren't you just a "temple of knowledge"? Guess we are always surrounded by those who can evaluate others! :lol:
Recognition of Human Incarnation
The recognition of human incarnation should be done by the qualities of the spiritual knowledge preached by Him. The Veda gives three adjectives to such divine spiritual knowledge. The first is ‘Truth’ (Satyam Jnanam), the second is ‘Infinite’ (Anantam Brahma) and the third is ‘Excellent’ (Prajnanam Brahma). The true, infinite and excellent knowledge indicates the Lord.
The knowledge is true because the Lord need not tell lies to please the people. The human preachers tell lies to please the people and get some favor from them. The Lord has no such necessity. In fact, all the human beings are at the mercy of the Lord to get some favor from Him. Hence, the Lord will always speak the truth whether you like it or not. Generally, truth always causes disliking. The knowledge is infinite because the Lord will effectively clear the doubts of infinite number of devotees and hence, the knowledge becomes infinite.
The true concept is always simple and brief. But, the doubts on it are many. Hence, the simple true knowledge becomes infinite, when it takes the form of clarifications given to several corners. The knowledge is excellent because the presentation of knowledge by the Lord is simply tremendous. The way of explanation of the concept is impossible to any other human being. Therefore, you have to recognize the Lord by such spiritual knowledge alone. Miracles should not be taken as signs of the Lord because even the demons blessed by the Lord exhibit such miracles. Of course, the miracles are only due to the power of the Lord only. But, the Lord grants such powers to the devotees.
The only power that cannot be transferred to anybody is the true infinite and excellent spiritual knowledge. The devotees are always after the powers and not after such knowledge. Hence, you need not blame the Lord for not transferring such knowledge to a devotee.
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
You must always save the life of a human being by giving food
Human life is very important because human being alone can understand the spiritual knowledge and can become a devotee of God. Therefore, you must always save the life of a human being by giving food, cloth and shelter. You must always stop the starvation-death of a human being, be it theist or atheist. You must save the life of even an atheist because even the atheist may be converted into theist if the life is saved. After saving the life of the starving human being, you must concentrate on improving the amenities of poor people so that a peaceful life is very much essential to concentrate on God.
The rich is becoming richer and poor is becoming poorer in the present day. This will disturb the social balance and will lead to the human explosion in the society. When the balance of the society is disturbed, nivrutti (loving practical service to God) finds no place. Therefore, resist all the wastages that take place in the rituals. Do not burn the ghee in the name of performing ‘homa’. Ghee is most valuable food material. The actual ‘homa’ is to put ghee in the burning fire of hunger of a poor man. The fire of hunger is called as ‘Vaishvanara’ as said in the Gita. Similarly, don’t burn the oil in the name of ‘Deepaaraadhanam’ before the statue or photo of God. The purpose of the light is only to remove the darkness in the olden days. In the day time, the light is not necessary. Even in the night, when the light is present supplied from the electric bulb, the oil lamp is not necessary. You need not burn the perfumes also, when they are not required for you.
Save money by stoping uncessary rituals to help poor
In all the temples, churches, mosques and prayer halls of other religions, remember that only the inert representative models of God exist and all your services to such models are not received by God in any way except that they are meant to improve your devotion. Of course, all these places are necessary to develop your devotion to God. You can develop your devotion without wasting money in all these unnecessary ignorant practices.
The same money can be spent to save the life of a hungry person and to improve the facilities of poor people so that they can have peaceful life and turn to God. God will be pleased by such activity and not by these foolish practices of blind tradition. As Buddha told, you must analyze every action before implementing it and you should not do it blindly based on tradition.
The recognition of human incarnation should be done by the qualities of the spiritual knowledge preached by Him. The Veda gives three adjectives to such divine spiritual knowledge. The first is ‘Truth’ (Satyam Jnanam), the second is ‘Infinite’ (Anantam Brahma) and the third is ‘Excellent’ (Prajnanam Brahma). The true, infinite and excellent knowledge indicates the Lord.
The knowledge is true because the Lord need not tell lies to please the people. The human preachers tell lies to please the people and get some favor from them. The Lord has no such necessity. In fact, all the human beings are at the mercy of the Lord to get some favor from Him. Hence, the Lord will always speak the truth whether you like it or not. Generally, truth always causes disliking. The knowledge is infinite because the Lord will effectively clear the doubts of infinite number of devotees and hence, the knowledge becomes infinite.
The true concept is always simple and brief. But, the doubts on it are many. Hence, the simple true knowledge becomes infinite, when it takes the form of clarifications given to several corners. The knowledge is excellent because the presentation of knowledge by the Lord is simply tremendous. The way of explanation of the concept is impossible to any other human being. Therefore, you have to recognize the Lord by such spiritual knowledge alone. Miracles should not be taken as signs of the Lord because even the demons blessed by the Lord exhibit such miracles. Of course, the miracles are only due to the power of the Lord only. But, the Lord grants such powers to the devotees.
The only power that cannot be transferred to anybody is the true infinite and excellent spiritual knowledge. The devotees are always after the powers and not after such knowledge. Hence, you need not blame the Lord for not transferring such knowledge to a devotee.
www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
You must always save the life of a human being by giving food
Human life is very important because human being alone can understand the spiritual knowledge and can become a devotee of God. Therefore, you must always save the life of a human being by giving food, cloth and shelter. You must always stop the starvation-death of a human being, be it theist or atheist. You must save the life of even an atheist because even the atheist may be converted into theist if the life is saved. After saving the life of the starving human being, you must concentrate on improving the amenities of poor people so that a peaceful life is very much essential to concentrate on God.
The rich is becoming richer and poor is becoming poorer in the present day. This will disturb the social balance and will lead to the human explosion in the society. When the balance of the society is disturbed, nivrutti (loving practical service to God) finds no place. Therefore, resist all the wastages that take place in the rituals. Do not burn the ghee in the name of performing ‘homa’. Ghee is most valuable food material. The actual ‘homa’ is to put ghee in the burning fire of hunger of a poor man. The fire of hunger is called as ‘Vaishvanara’ as said in the Gita. Similarly, don’t burn the oil in the name of ‘Deepaaraadhanam’ before the statue or photo of God. The purpose of the light is only to remove the darkness in the olden days. In the day time, the light is not necessary. Even in the night, when the light is present supplied from the electric bulb, the oil lamp is not necessary. You need not burn the perfumes also, when they are not required for you.
Save money by stoping uncessary rituals to help poor
In all the temples, churches, mosques and prayer halls of other religions, remember that only the inert representative models of God exist and all your services to such models are not received by God in any way except that they are meant to improve your devotion. Of course, all these places are necessary to develop your devotion to God. You can develop your devotion without wasting money in all these unnecessary ignorant practices.
The same money can be spent to save the life of a hungry person and to improve the facilities of poor people so that they can have peaceful life and turn to God. God will be pleased by such activity and not by these foolish practices of blind tradition. As Buddha told, you must analyze every action before implementing it and you should not do it blindly based on tradition.
At it's most basic isn't it summed up by a few friend and loved ones gather, have a party and slit up your stuff?
Thought for the Day
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To describe anything in words is difficult; it might even cause boredom. But to demonstrate it by deed is easier and more pleasant! Through meditation, spiritual aspirants are able to cast off sheaths of ignorance, layer after layer. They withdraw their sense perceptions from contact with worldly experiences. The process that aims at this holy consummation alone deserves to be called meditation. For this process, you must be equipped with good habits, discipline, and high ideals. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You must be full of renunciation towards worldly things and their attractions. Whatever the situation, you should conduct yourself with enthusiasm and joy. Whatever is done must be dedicated not to eke out a livelihood but for earning Atmic bliss (Atma-ananda). You should train yourself to adopt a good sitting pose (Asana) to avoid tension of the body, and to ease the mind from the weight and pressure of the body. If you thus truly meditate, you will achieve oneness with the Divine and experience the joy of realizing the Atma within yourself. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- BABA[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To describe anything in words is difficult; it might even cause boredom. But to demonstrate it by deed is easier and more pleasant! Through meditation, spiritual aspirants are able to cast off sheaths of ignorance, layer after layer. They withdraw their sense perceptions from contact with worldly experiences. The process that aims at this holy consummation alone deserves to be called meditation. For this process, you must be equipped with good habits, discipline, and high ideals. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You must be full of renunciation towards worldly things and their attractions. Whatever the situation, you should conduct yourself with enthusiasm and joy. Whatever is done must be dedicated not to eke out a livelihood but for earning Atmic bliss (Atma-ananda). You should train yourself to adopt a good sitting pose (Asana) to avoid tension of the body, and to ease the mind from the weight and pressure of the body. If you thus truly meditate, you will achieve oneness with the Divine and experience the joy of realizing the Atma within yourself. [/FONT]
Probably nothing happens. What I know for sure though is that the responsibility of proving otherwise is upon those who claim otherwise.
So much religion around all of this. I think differently though. I could well be wrong but I think Christ
and he did exist was more about being a modern revolutionary about thought than anything else.
The spiritual world is really about the social world we live in and how we treat each other. It was very
revolutionary to be talking of sharing the world and working together to make a better place for yourself
and others.
When the Roman Empire found a way to get rid of this guy the vultures moved in and made a martyr
out of him. Then the Church, which sprung out of a cult following, was in full political mode. There were
about two dozen contributions or gospels of the Bible and in the end the four main candidates for the
church leadership were heard. The rest like timothy and others were rendered to the dark halls of
history. Mathew Mark Luke and John were given top billing only their stories are told and the story of
the movement was never really revealed. The reason we have so many mysteries of the Bible and the
four main versions don't add up is because the four compromised and left their versions the same.
as written. Instead of facts we have mysteries.
As for what happens to us when we die, they cut off our pensions, our social insurance numbers and
start bothering someone else with telemarketers. I don't know about the official version of the soul but
i am open minded and respectful of others. I believe if you help someone personally that is between you
and them and it doesn't need broadcasting. Christ did mention one thing in that regard, his view was that
if you were a genuine person it would shine through and you don't need to tell anyone whether or not you
are a nice guy or gal. If you have peace in your own mind and confidence in the ability that is within you
you can do what the world expects of you.
Like JLM I keep returning to the thought that there might well be something beyond, for there must be a
report card of some kind, even if it is the judgement of history. Ever heard of the saying, there must be
a special place in hell for someone who does something really disgusting? All things in the universe are
connected and we are somehow connected to the universe and in that we are immortal and in someway
we return to face the inadequacies of our past. I don't think the end is just the end unless you are a Canucks
Hockey Fan.
and he did exist was more about being a modern revolutionary about thought than anything else.
The spiritual world is really about the social world we live in and how we treat each other. It was very
revolutionary to be talking of sharing the world and working together to make a better place for yourself
and others.
When the Roman Empire found a way to get rid of this guy the vultures moved in and made a martyr
out of him. Then the Church, which sprung out of a cult following, was in full political mode. There were
about two dozen contributions or gospels of the Bible and in the end the four main candidates for the
church leadership were heard. The rest like timothy and others were rendered to the dark halls of
history. Mathew Mark Luke and John were given top billing only their stories are told and the story of
the movement was never really revealed. The reason we have so many mysteries of the Bible and the
four main versions don't add up is because the four compromised and left their versions the same.
as written. Instead of facts we have mysteries.
As for what happens to us when we die, they cut off our pensions, our social insurance numbers and
start bothering someone else with telemarketers. I don't know about the official version of the soul but
i am open minded and respectful of others. I believe if you help someone personally that is between you
and them and it doesn't need broadcasting. Christ did mention one thing in that regard, his view was that
if you were a genuine person it would shine through and you don't need to tell anyone whether or not you
are a nice guy or gal. If you have peace in your own mind and confidence in the ability that is within you
you can do what the world expects of you.
Like JLM I keep returning to the thought that there might well be something beyond, for there must be a
report card of some kind, even if it is the judgement of history. Ever heard of the saying, there must be
a special place in hell for someone who does something really disgusting? All things in the universe are
connected and we are somehow connected to the universe and in that we are immortal and in someway
we return to face the inadequacies of our past. I don't think the end is just the end unless you are a Canucks
Hockey Fan.
Saying probably nothing is a 50/50 split. It's the improbabilities you are looking for. God luck! Oops. I meant good.
I need not prove a thing. As there is not a shred of evidence for the claim that something happens when you die, my work is already done for me. It's not as though the two opposing claims are intellectually equal. The fact that there is no evidence rightly lends one to believe that nothing happens. Give me an example to the contrary.
So is this to say then that "there probably is a god" and "there probably is not a god" are equal? How can this be? To suggest they are equal is to have complete disregard for the evidence or lack of. One is stating that in spite of no evidence, the odds are there is a god, the other says that in light of there being no evidence, there is likely no god.