Smoking ban rears its ugly head again!

damngrumpy

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Mar 16, 2005
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Let me be clear about where I am coming from first. I haven't had a smoke since June 1997.
My wife has serious big time trouble from COPD and it is bad without any hope of cure or
improvement. Having said that

I do not believe banning smoking is going to do a thing for society. people will smoke, people
will drink some will take pot and others will satisfy their lust for cocaine. We can fill the pages
of law with any number of restrictions and it won't change a thing. In fact these legislative folk
go so far that even their supporters turn against them eventually because the go from concerned
citizens to crusaders to outright Zealots.
I see a future of the speak easy coming back where people will go to dance, drink and smoke in
underground clubs like they did in the roaring twenties and the early thirties. Who knows they
may even throw in gambling.
Education is supposedly the key. Think about that for a minute. How many education programs
do we have? The perils of drinking, smoking, pot and coke use and we still have it in our midst.
It is a social issue and should not be associated with criminal activity.
People don't agree with socially engineered laws that people don't accept and they do as they
please.
Criminal law is different, any reasonable person does not agree with child molestation, or child
porn. They don't accept murder as a recreational activity either. Why? Because reasonable
people don't accept disgusting criminal behavior perpetrated against those who cannot defend
themselves or understand the impact of what is happening to them. Social laws forced on the
public don't receive the same level of acceptance.
Tobacco is legal. compare with other legal products. You have a car, what if they said you could
only drive you car one day a week and told you what street you could drive and park on? Well
coming up with these anti smoking laws is now a for of bullying in my opinion.
 

Sal

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Sep 29, 2007
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So while we are here discussing the pros and cons of limiting cigarette smoking one of my friends just went to the rez to pick up her cartons.... is that legal?
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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Let me be clear about where I am coming from first. I haven't had a smoke since June 1997.
My wife has serious big time trouble from COPD and it is bad without any hope of cure or
improvement. Having said that

I do not believe banning smoking is going to do a thing for society. people will smoke, people
will drink some will take pot and others will satisfy their lust for cocaine. We can fill the pages
of law with any number of restrictions and it won't change a thing. In fact these legislative folk
go so far that even their supporters turn against them eventually because the go from concerned
citizens to crusaders to outright Zealots.
I see a future of the speak easy coming back where people will go to dance, drink and smoke in
underground clubs like they did in the roaring twenties and the early thirties. Who knows they
may even throw in gambling.
Education is supposedly the key. Think about that for a minute. How many education programs
do we have? The perils of drinking, smoking, pot and coke use and we still have it in our midst.
It is a social issue and should not be associated with criminal activity.
People don't agree with socially engineered laws that people don't accept and they do as they
please.
Criminal law is different, any reasonable person does not agree with child molestation, or child
porn. They don't accept murder as a recreational activity either. Why? Because reasonable
people don't accept disgusting criminal behavior perpetrated against those who cannot defend
themselves or understand the impact of what is happening to them. Social laws forced on the
public don't receive the same level of acceptance.
Tobacco is legal. compare with other legal products. You have a car, what if they said you could
only drive you car one day a week and told you what street you could drive and park on? Well
coming up with these anti smoking laws is now a for of bullying in my opinion.

You have it figured out, Grumpy! People can be strange critters. Some people just HAVE to change something for the sake of changing it, or feel a need to have their own "stamp" on it. With non smokers it's their justification for feeling superior to others, next it will be their habit of eating brown rice over those eating white rice. I've often heard it said there is more damage done in the world by "do gooders" than those deliberately doing evil, simply because they don't get their facts straight let alone not minding their own business. How many people who object to smoking in parks actually go to that part of the park where it's happening?-:)
 

Sal

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Sep 29, 2007
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Need smokes soon - probably before the cold snap leaves
okay ma dear don't go without your cigarettes I guess... but what does it mean when you say that it is perfectly legal until they leave the rez
 

bill barilko

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Mar 4, 2009
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Speaking of reservations & tobacco it's amazing how many native people smoke it's like they're stuck in the 70's-Mothers with babes-in-arms lighting up FFS.

And all the poor people on Vancouver's Downtown East Side all smoke tailor mades and the smell of those things isn't the same as other parts of town nor do I recognise the brand names of packs littering the streets they must be smuggled in from China.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
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Speaking of reservations & tobacco it's amazing how many native people smoke it's like they're stuck in the 70's-Mothers with babes-in-arms lighting up FFS.

And all the poor people on Vancouver's Downtown East Side all smoke tailor mades and the smell of those things isn't the same as other parts of town nor do I recognise the brand names of packs littering the streets they must be smuggled in from China.
$4 a pack and yeah they are from China but use CDN Mohawk tobacco.