Small businesses to start paying their fair share

EagleSmack

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For the first time since the “Abscam” scandal 36 years ago, a sitting U.S. senator will go on trial for bribery on Wednesday in a federal courthouse. Bob Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey, is accused of intervening with federal officials on behalf of a wealthy benefactor in exchange for lavish gifts, including luxury vacations and major political contributions.


Senator Bob Menendez faces federal corruption trial | Reuters

....and that burn is NOT covered by the Affordable Care Act. :)

 

MHz

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Depends where the investment funds come from??
Can the drug cartel fund R&D into hemp farming and medical pot grow ops as a 'cash' transaction that had do deduction at the end of the year. The hemp and medical pot operations operate as a normal business after that. That would be to help BC growers who are currently operating illegally and by this time next year they could be breaking ground and spending all that cash into the local economy. The flood will become a trickle once the cash is gone and the spending is a reflection of the income the business is making. The alternative is even more money is scooped by the black market that is owned by the same people who own the big banks.
 

TenPenny

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Depends where the investment funds come from??
Can the drug cartel fund R&D into hemp farming and medical pot grow ops as a 'cash' transaction that had do deduction at the end of the year. The hemp and medical pot operations operate as a normal business after that. That would be to help BC growers who are currently operating illegally and by this time next year they could be breaking ground and spending all that cash into the local economy. The flood will become a trickle once the cash is gone and the spending is a reflection of the income the business is making. The alternative is even more money is scooped by the black market that is owned by the same people who own the big banks.



Let's say I'm a dentist, and I want to have my professional corporation invest in, say, Bell stock.


Should that be allowed?
 

White_Unifier

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And whether they are incorporated or not, they can't be allowed to profit by claiming a personal expense as a business expense.

Simple solution: scrap business taxes. from an environmental standpoint, it would make more sense to shift to resource taxes, animal-husbandry taxes, and taxes on addictive products and services (such as alcohol, tobacco, gambling tickets, etc.). Maybe even a moderate tax on personal accumulated wealth.

I'm not against taxes, but there should be a rationale behind them. What's the rationale for any business tax except on resource-extraction, animal-husbandry or addictive-products-and-services businesses? I await with enthusiasm.
 

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For the first time since the “Abscam” scandal 36 years ago, a sitting U.S. senator will go on trial for bribery on Wednesday in a federal courthouse. Bob Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey, is accused of intervening with federal officials on behalf of a wealthy benefactor in exchange for lavish gifts, including luxury vacations and major political contributions.


Senator Bob Menendez faces federal corruption trial | Reuters

....and that burn is NOT covered by the Affordable Care Act. :)

Try to stay on topic little potato.
 

captain morgan

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This deserves a repost

For the first time since the “Abscam” scandal 36 years ago, a sitting U.S. senator will go on trial for bribery on Wednesday in a federal courthouse. Bob Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey, is accused of intervening with federal officials on behalf of a wealthy benefactor in exchange for lavish gifts, including luxury vacations and major political contributions.


Senator Bob Menendez faces federal corruption trial | Reuters

....and that burn is NOT covered by the Affordable Care Act. :icon_smile:
 

JLM

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Relax, when the minimum wage goes up to $15, they will be paying their fair share and then some! :)
 

Jinentonix

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During the 2015 election campaign, the Liberals promised to eliminate the small-business deduction, which would have meant the same, single corporate income tax rate for businesses large and small. It was a good idea. Eliminating special rates for small business, at the federal and provincial level, would reduce distortions between different-sized businesses and make the tax system much simpler (including adopting just one rather than two dividend tax credit regimes), significantly improving the business-tax structure. Of course, small businesses and their lobby groups would have complained. But what the Liberal government is now proposing — with its changes to rules for Canadian-controlled private corporations (CCPCs) — is far more pervasive and, in some cases, draconian.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau’s plan to change the rules around private corporations will only add new types of distortions to the mix, while introducing new forms of unfairness. The Liberals say they’re standing by the plan, but will consider making a few tweaks. If we are to encourage growth with an internationally competitive regime for young entrepreneurs, these proposals require much more than a few tweaks to minimize their harm. It is not surprising that the Liberal government has poked a large hornet’s nest with these proposals. Tax reform is something Canada needs, but this is a piecemeal and, thus, highly flawed approach.

What the Liberals are now proposing is far more pervasive and, in some cases, draconian

The prime minister says that the rich will be asked to “pay a little more” to help the middle class, which shows that he has a sense of humour. Really, more than 70 per cent of families receiving dividends from small business CCPCs have household income below $200,000 (a majority of families have two-earners, so the practice of business owners income-splitting with a spouse is relatively minor). These are not Canada’s one-percenters.

A lot of middle-class taxpayers will be hit by the new rules. And it won’t be just doctors, dentists, accountants, lawyers and other professionals. Those groups account for just 12 per cent of federal small-business tax revenues. There will be manufacturers (12 per cent of small-business revenue), high-tech innovators (10 per cent) and construction operators (12 per cent), among many others.

Morneau’s new tax proposals are supposedly aimed at evening out the difference between corporate and personal taxes paid on income earned by private corporate income with other self-employed income, making the system “neutral.” In some ways they will, but in other ways they’ll actually make things less neutral. Under the new rules, public corporations and non-Canadian private corporations will be more favourably treated and certain other remaining disparities between business types will remain.

The proposals also introduce a new form of distortion

Under the existing system, the government gives preference to losses experienced in self-employed income — which can be deducted against other income — compared to corporate losses that are, in most cases, trapped in the company. In this way, the government helps itself to a healthy share of the corporation’s profits, but not its share of losses, penalizing risky investment more heavily for corporations than for the unincorporated. The proposals do little to improve the maltreatment of corporate risk.

The proposals also introduce a new form of distortion. They plan to claw back the difference between corporate tax rates (15 or 17 per cent, depending on size) and personal tax rates (roughly 50 per cent) if corporate profits are invested in passive investments, rather than active business operations. I can think of no country that has introduced this form of distortion. Maybe one reason is because it can plainly lead to owners making marginally profitable investments simply to defer paying tax. It also effectively turns the small-business tax deduction into an investment and employment tax credit.

If one really wanted to achieve neutrality between unincorporated and incorporated businesses, a different approach would be to treat the private corporation as a partnership (much like “S corporations” in the U.S.). Then, any income would flow out of the company, to the owners. That way, when governments want to provide incentives for business expansion, they can use tax credits for investment and employment tax credits available to all businesses, whether or not they’re incorporated. This would be a far better an approach than the monster of complexity the government is now promising to create.

If one really wanted to achieve neutrality, a different approach would be to treat the private corporation as a partnership

If you want a sense of how draconian these new proposals get, consider this: Under the new rules, passive income could now be taxed at an almost-confiscatory tax rate of over 70 per cent, as government claws back the benefits of the low corporate income tax rate on business income. The rules also result in heavier taxation on family succession compared to selling the company to unrelated domestic or foreign investors, resulting in a potential 90 percent “estate tax” on distributions of corporate shares to children.

All of these huge upheavals to our existing small-business tax system are meant to happen largely in one fell swoop. It is unusual for Canada to attempt such an abrupt move, with so little by way of a gradual, transitional relief plan. Millions of Canadians have been basing their business decision on a system that has been in place for 45 years. Incredibly, their tax plans will apparently enjoy no amount of grandfathering. Given these excessive tax rates and poor transition rules, I already know of one high-income owner of a private corporation now arranging to leave Canada because of this. I’m sure there will be others.
Jack Mintz: Mere
 

mentalfloss

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I know three small business owners who like the move because it keeps the competition working fairly.
 

mentalfloss

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No, one's in potash, the other's in fossil fuels and one is in renewables.
 

JamesBondo

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And whether they are incorporated or not, they can't be allowed to profit by claiming a personal expense as a business expense.

clearly you failed at business math

I don't disagree with profit, but it has to be a legitimate business activity that leads to it.

. you are so full of bullshit. with small business, wealth generally comes from massive amounts of hard work rather than from a lucrative business model that large corporations are able to invest in.
 

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I tried to open a new thread to post this comment, but because I just joined a week ago, my posting permissions are limited.
So, if yuh don't mind, I will post my comment here ....

Bank of Canada Rate Increase:

I recall that Justin Trudeau won the election because he promised to borrow billions of dollars and "Jump Start" the economy.

Here we are, some 2 years later, and the economy is so hot and expanding so rapidly, that the Bank of Canada needed to punish every citizen with an interest rate hike. And, there is such a shortage of workers that we need to scrounge the world seeking out thousands of warm bodies just to fill our labour requirements.

And, not only are Canadians paying the interest on the billions borrowed by Trudeau, but added to that are the additional costs to my mortgage payment and credit card balances.

Plus; the Canadian dollar has increased in value and will destroy our export market.

I can't understand how we gained anything by injecting "Borrowed" money into the economy.

Maybe we were better off voting NDP who promised just to tinker with the economy and not take on more debt?

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