I suppose you think the two Israeli soldiers killed recently in a Hamas ambush were violating the Palestinians' right to target-practise by soaking up their bullets...:roll:
Heres what I know about Israel. 99% of the people in Canada who oppose Israel are a bunch of hypocrites.
If you think Israel and its very being is wrong, go renounce your citizenship..go down to the local reserve and sign over all of your property built on stolen land, and then try to figure out which country (if you can even narrow it down to one) you should be deported to. If I had to guess for me I'd say the Netherlands, but Ireland is a strong contender too.
Hundreds slaughtered by the Lord's army in Africa, narry a word. But homes are built in east jerusalem and BAM. Because I guess in a two state palestinian solution all the jews are forced out..even though Jerusalem (including east Jeruslem) was majority jewish before Israel began existing. Which says something, Palestine will have a "No Jews" sign..even though Jews have every right to live in any Palestinian state. But we all know that would never come to pass. Besides, the Palestinians only claim to east jerusalem is that they illegally occupied it for 20 years, Jerusalem (east and west) is a seperate state from both Israel and any future Palestine.
But its not about human rights, hell EAO is still trying to label white phosphourous as a chemical weapon. Being a chemical is not a chemical weapon, technically bullets and rockets (from both sides) would be chemical weapons under that grounds. WP is an incindiary, it kills by burning not poisoning. But you don't truly care, when blacks, asians or central americans die you don't care. You only care if Jews can be blamed and its getting tiring.
Do you know how many people died in Mexico during the same period? The place is a warzone, what about Africa? what about South-east Asia? Silence.
Well said, it bears repeating and will likely be dismissed by those that hate Jews.
And your silence tells volumes.
BINGO!!!
Regarding human shields
The Goldstone Report found no evidence supporting Israeli claims that Palestinian militant groups used civilians as human shields. Israeli claims are based on their belief that when they bomb cities, the civilians deaths are the result of their being used as human shields, which is ridiculous.
No, Israeli claims are based on being fired upon from Mosques, Hospitals, homes and witnessing armed combatants entering and exiting Ambulances.
Now, had you actually read the report you tout as gospel. You would not make such supercilious claims. Because even in your own report, when Rabbo, a senior member with the PA intelligence agency was captured at his home (Which of the Goldstone report erroneously chalked up as an attack on a civilian), he stated that he was forced to allocate the other Hamas militants in his neighbourhood. He, and I quote...
1043. He approached HS/08’s house from the street. The entrance was destroyed and blocked by rubble. He went back to the officer and told him that he could not get in. The officer told him to go through the roof instead. He went into his own house, which he found empty, except for a soldier. This reinforced his anxiety about the fate of his family. At this point, there was no major damage to his house. He crossed the roof and went down the stairs into HS/08’s house. He was scared that the fighters would shoot at him and shouted, “I am a Palestinian, a neighbour. I am being forced to come into this house.” In a room at the bottom of the stairs he found three armed young men wearing military camouflage and headbands of al-Qassam Brigades. They pointed their weapons at him. He told them that the Israeli soldiers thought that they had been killed and had sent him to check. He said that he was helpless as the soldiers had taken his wife and children. The armed men told him that they had seen everything, and asked him to go back to the soldiers and tell them what he had seen.
1044. He went back outside, again crossing over the roof of his house. As he approached the soldiers, they pointed their weapons at him and ordered him to stop, strip naked and turn around. After he dressed again, he told them what he had seen. Initially, the soldiers did not believe him. They asked how he knew that they were Hamas militants and he explained about their headbands. The soldiers asked about their weapons. He replied that they were carrying Kalashnikovs. The officer told him that, if he was lying, he would be shot dead.
But Goldstone and yourself, have determined that Hamas was not using residential areas to hide in, thus using civilians as shields and placing them in great danger.
This is but one piece of faulty or inconsistent findings.
Have you even read the report eao?
unlike Palestinians who have limited to no rights or citizenship.
Citizenship to where?
First Nations people have a few additional rights, the rest of us don't have.
Like what?
Unlike Israel, Canada doesn't drop chemical weapons on First Nations people.
Really? Care to discuss the Arctic? Ipperwash? At that is but two. Don't get me started on the mercury poisoning in Quebec.
We don't abduct their children and use them as human shields.
Really? Do you know the last time a child was taken by CAS, and to what end that event came to?
Presently, Canada does not commit war crimes or crimes against humanity regarding our first nation citizens.
Really? How's the water in your home town?
As far as silence on other war crimes and crimes against humanity is concerned. I assume that you only support Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity, not war crimes in general. But, if you start a thread supporting war crimes and crimes against humanity, I'll post rebuttals condemning those war crimes and crimes against humanity the same way I post rebuttals against Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
But you need no provocation to start hating Jews?
BTW, welcome back Z. You were gone for a while. The quality of posts in Israel's defense has gone down during your absence.
Yes, because we have lowered ourselves to your level. We've tried to reason with you, because you dismiss anything that doesn't support your ideology, you failed. We tried explaining how military operations unfold, you ignored it, you failed. We've tried countless times to expose inconsistency, lies, half truths and misconceptions, you dismiss, ignore or both, you failed.
Us, the opposition on the other hand, have a readily admit that Israel Soldiers have broken tenets of the Law of Armed conflict. Has disproportionately retaliated against Hamas, and finally, we recognize that there is equal culpability on both sides.
Yes eao, you're quite right, you have lower the level of debate to you merely parroting others opinions, incessantly and without any real thought applied by yourself. If you wish to be elevated in out opinions, and not be treated with such contempt, that might I suggest you give us the same courtesy we give you. Use objectivity and examine all the evidence brought forth.
If not, you will be held in your present capacity as a hypocrite of the highest order, a terrorist supporter, and a bigot.
Read through this string and you'll see the posts by Israeli apologists consists mostly of pathetic name calling and slander.
I can prove my assertions, can you?
Actually, no ..its not. Military forces are not supposed to assemble in civilian areas. If military forces assemble near civilians it is the defending forces fault for any civilian casualties.
It is not the attackers duty to ensure they have laser guided smart missiles before attacking ,especially as such weapons did not exist when the rules were written and most nations do not have that capability even now.
So yes, if Hamas sets up shop two blocks down from a school and the school gets hit by an artillery round, that is Hamas fault being inside of an active city. Thats why armies put on uniforms and only wage guerrilla warfare from the countryside. If there is no countryside then they can fight in the open or evacuate civilians from combat areas. If that causes them to lose, STBY, the rules of war are not written to make it so you can't lose or that fighting is easier.
How true, which I have proven in the post, they most certainly did. Though the terrorist supporters just can't understand.
You are obviously unaware of the basis of the charges. Collateral damage related to Israel's targeting of legitimate military targets is not a war crime.
Deliberately attacking a hospitals, ambulances, aid convoys, schools, fire stations and other civilian buildings while they are full of civilians is a war crime.
Not if Hamas is using them as shields.
Herding unarmed civilians (including women and children) into a building and then bombing it, is a war crime.
And if Israel had actually done that, the death toll would have been far far higher. Only a moron couldn't deduce that.
Abducting unarmed civilians including children and putting them in pits next to tanks and artillery as they shell the children's relatives.... is a war crime.
Again, unproven and the "witnesses" are suspect at best.
These actions and others are war crimes. You should read the report at least so that you understand the charges. If you don't believe what you read, then look at the evidence...
I did, I read the entire report, I found some glaring inconsistencies, which made me shudder. Hell, I didn't even have to research some of the inconsistencies, outside the report itself.
1, Considering Rabbo a civilian. While the report itself identifies him as a PA Intelligence Official. That means under the Laws of Armed conflict, he is not a civilian.
2, Hamas not using civilian areas as shields. In Rabbo's own testimony, Hamas guerillas were hiding in his neighbours home.
There are but two, so glaring inconsistenties. That fly in the face of the tenets of reasonable fact finding. That it throws a shadow over the entire report. Anyone who fails to grasp that, is not being objective. There is no debate about critical thought, you either use it, or you don't. Anyone that believes the Goldstone report outright, is a moron, or is hiding a serious hate for Jews, period.
