Shutting down Alberta coal plants will save money, lives
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Good idea. But, it is not very efficient. (Around here, it costs about the same as hydro, also.)
Amount of fuel used to generate 1 kilowatthour (kWh):
Coal = 0.00052 short tons or 1.05 pounds
Natural gas = 0.01010 Mcf (1,000 cubic feet)
Petroleum = 0.00175 barrels (or 0.07 gallons)
Kilowatthour generated per unit of fuel used:
1,904 kWh per ton, 0.95 kWh per pound, of coal
99 kWh per Mcf of natural gas
570 kWh per barrel, or 13.6 kWh per gallon, of petroleum
So in 2010 alone, the typical Canadian household used an average of 11,900 kWh. That is 120,200,000 cubic feet of natgas. There are about 13,500,000 households in Canada.
I kind of like Harper's plan better than just shutting coal-fired plants down.
try this Macleans article... clearly outlines how Harper Conservatives took credit for emission reductions relative to the BC Carbon Tax, the Quebec C&T initiative, the Ontario coal shuttering, etc.:
or this extract of a letter from Ontario's Energy Minister, Glen Murray:
"Harper's plan"!!! :lol: too funny
Province could target coal-fired power plants for early closure, says environment minister
Retiring coal-fired power plants early will be costly, warns industry | Calgary Herald
But, Dipper governments tend to think money flows from some magic source rather than people's pockets.
Retiring coal-fired power plants early will be costly, warns industry | Calgary Herald
But, Dipper governments tend to think money flows from some magic source rather than people's pockets.
That's what I mean. They did not have the capacity to replace without relying on horrendously expensive and unreliable options like wind turbines. If you are going to do this, you need to build some nuclear reactors or damns to replace them. I think wind would work even less well in Alberta as I know batteries tend to be less efficient at -40c.
Nuclear reactors and damns? How bout some hells and sh*ts to take up the slack? Maybe a f*ck or two for peak demand periods?
hey, again... as I recall, she gave me a single day... spanking! And I liked it! Besides, given the standard BS percolating from the usual suspects here, why would anyone with any intellectual metal waste time here with these buffoons? You clearly like this shytehole just the way it is where the insult-fest clown car parade runs non-stop! Such heavyweights plying their drywall images as if I could give a shyte!
where's that sign-up sheet... I'd like a piece of that action!
How about instead of Dipper windbags er I mean windmills powering AB, they get power from fat Dipper treadmills. They could walk and power up AB while they legislate and get fit besides.
meh, I still think updating burners and capturing emissions is a better idea than just shutting the plants down.
meh, I still think updating burners and capturing emissions is a better idea than just shutting the plants down.
So that was an unfounded remark .O.K. Blame Harper .
Thank you .I thought so .
"by 1930" is hardly... closing! As for what is actually occurring in Germany, post 2003, vis-a-vis those coal plants planned more than a decade ago:
This is frightening, German efficiency, not again.
Time for Alberta to invest in some CANDUs, like maybe around Ft.McMurray so that you disarm a lot of the "dirty oil" criticism in places like Europe by using cleaner energy to recover bitumen from the sand.
no - read further... I've provided an example link and an extract from a letter from the Ontario Energy Minister. It's a shame you can't actually do your own googlies!
can you ever make a comment without denigrating someone/something? As for sequestration, industry had its opportunities to partner with government... hell, to lead in that regard. Nope... didn't happen in Alberta - go figure, hey!
And bankrupt. Which is why they tax the living sh!t out of everyone and everything.
Well said.
My power bill in Alberta is around $75 a month heating in winter comes in a little over $100 for a house and detached shop. I also pay $1500 a year to insure two vehicles. In Ontario I was paying almost that for just my wifes car.
That's about 50% of what I paid in Ontario.
Insurance was always ridiculously high, but the Province of Ontario has always been in the pocket of the Insurance companies.
And nowhere in that post did the Harper government take any credit for shutting down Ontario coal plants .
Nice article though .
huh! Former Environment Minister Leona Aglukkaq is quoted talking about how "we" (as in Harper Conservatives at the federal level)... thanks to "our actions"... emissions were reduced/will be reduced... but no where does she qualify that to highlight reductions had nothing to do with any federal level actions/initiatives... no where does she highlight that those reductions were attributed to, primarily, less fossil fuel burning by so-called “emissions-intensive and trade-exposed” industries and from declining coal-fired electrical generation. And then there's the letter extract I quote from the Ontario Energy Minister... that you somehow choose to ignore!
I think you misunderstood me. Ontario could have shut down the coal-fired plants and the generating capacity would have been more than sufficient to meet Ontario's current and near to mid-future needs without installing turbines all over the place. We sure don't need nearly as much generation for manufacturing anymore.
The other aspect is you still need backup generation for every MW of wind or solar generation which is most likely going to come from gas-fired plants. And at that rate, you might as well just have the gas plants running 24/7 and forgo the turbines and solar power.