Should public school be subject to public school rules?
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Because they weren't a significant portion of the populace that needed to be placated at the time.
I absolutely agree in principal with everything that you've stated here. Having said that though, I find myself conflicted over the issue simply because we have children dying by their own hand far too often. I think we're just at the point where this needs to be confronted head on, no more pretending that this is not occurring in our schools, secular or otherwise. Yes, it's always better to be changed from within but too many kids are suffering. That's just my personal take on the whole issue.
At the time? Well thank God there was nothing about burning witches or we'd refuse to change that too? Certainly we could change the Constitution to make things equal for all, no?
From the official complaint:
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3.1 The author contends that the legislative grant of power to fund Roman Catholic schools authorized by section 93 of the Constitution Act of Canada 1867, and carried out under sections 122 and 128 of the Education Act (Ontario) violates Article 26 of the Covenant. The author states that these provisions create a distinction or preference which is based on religion and which has the effect of impairing the enjoyment or exercise by all persons, on an equal footing, of their religious rights and freedoms. He argues that the conferral of a benefit on a single religious group cannot be sustained. When a right to publicly financed religious education is recognized by a State party, no differentiation should be made among individuals on the basis of the nature of their particular beliefs. The author maintains that the provision of full funding exclusively to Roman Catholic schools cannot be considered reasonable. The historical rationale for the Ontario government's discriminatory funding practice, that of protection of Roman Catholic minority rights from the Protestant majority, has now disappeared, and if anything has been transferred to other minority religious communities in Ontario. A 1991 census is quoted as indicating that 44% of the population is Protestant, 36% is Catholic, and 8% have other religious affiliations. It is also unreasonable in view of the fact that other Canadian provinces and territories do not discriminate on the basis of religion in allocating education funding.
3.2 The author also claims that Ontario's school funding practices violate Article 18(1) taken in conjunction with Article 2. The author states that he experiences financial hardship in order to provide his children with a Jewish education, a hardship which is not experienced by a Roman Catholic parent seeking to provide his children with a Roman Catholic education. The author claims that such hardship significantly impairs, in a discriminatory fashion, the enjoyment of the right to manifest one's religion, including the freedom to provide a religious education for one's children, or to establish religious schools."
The second paragraph is revealing. Clearly the current system has imposed costs on Waldman that a Catholic could have avoided. So no they are not treated equally.
But I'm sure some here would now argue Waldman is anti-Catholic or that the Human rights Committee is anti-Catholic for promoting equality. So be it.
Everyone has access to education. There is no inequality.
Ahhh, so this thread really had nothing to do with bullying laws or rules. Gotchya.
So what is it you want to argue? Rules or the Constitutionality of the Separate school system in Ontario?
That's not true. Even Catholics have to pay taxes.
Blah blah blah!
Originally though the thread was about the fact that the Separate school system is essentially public in that it is paid for by taxes. yes, we get to choose which school ssytem we pay taxes to, but in that sense they are interconnected, so it is essentially a public system. As such, certainly public catholic schools ought to abide by the same rules as other public schools when it comes to anti-bullying legislation and such. Private Catholic schools exist too, so what's the issue?
As are all schools in Ontario, as far as I can remember from the last time we had this conversation, including private schools. Whom receive some form of public financing and regulation.
We don't even need anti bullying legislation. We need teachers and principals to do their damn jobs under the already bloated legal sh!t fest that is the Safe Schools Act.
I don'ty know, but you seem to have one.
You know it's not the anti-bullying legislation that I think is the most important aspect, because there is already legislation. I think having very visual, highly supported, publicly supported, anti-bullying groups accessible on campus is the important part. It's about doing more to help kids become better adults and peer "pressure" or influence goes a long way.
That would pretty much defeat the entire concept of private schools.
Pretty useless to legislate anti-bullying regs without backing them up.
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Oh please! I'm far better than some vacuous blonde who changes everything about herself just to please some guy.
Also I had fewer crows feet around the eyes in high school, lol.
BEAr: I recall vaguely reading an article about a problem in a school that was a public school but run by the Catholic church. Seems to me it was in a remote area and the only school in the area. Can't recall enough of the details now except it was in the North or northern part of one of the prairie provinces. Ring any bells?
Can you provide a link as to who thinks this? Why not discuss it in the actual thread you're talking about? *scratches head*
Not entirely. Some rules should apply to only public or private, otehrs to both.
The point is though that whatever applies to public ought to apply to public catholic schools too (i.e. Separate schools).
Example? I'm not sure you quite grasped what I was talking about. My point was that if the regs were the same for private as they are for public schools, there'd be no point in having private schools.
I agree.
Including the secular curriculums? Odd idea.
NO- but I do see one rule/policy that should be changed in public schools.....................school uniforms to be worn by all students, it would just remove perceived class differences, would take the financial strain off poorer families, and be one less contentious issue and one less reason/opportunity for bullying.
