Should public school be subject to public school rules?

[JLM]

Except some students would be wearing Walmart-bought uniforms and some would be wearing uniforms by Gucci and Lagerfeld.

Yeah, I guess you just can't legislate against stupidity or wastefulness.....................:lol:

Except some students would be wearing Walmart-bought uniforms and some would be wearing uniforms by Gucci and Lagerfeld.

I just got to thinking how stupid I am............making kids wear uniforms would be totally against Pierre's Charter, not to mention being in contempt of the old A$$hole! :lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah, I guess you just can't legislate against stupidity or wastefulness.....................:lol:

I hope that was a joke. lol Some rich people are definitely not stupid or any more wasteful than anyone else.

 

[JLM]

I hope that was a joke. lol Some rich people are definitely not stupid or any more wasteful than anyone else.

Nope- Poor people are just as much if not more at fault, perhaps one of the reasons they are poor. :lol: P.S. with one exception- put too much importance in brand labels!

 

[L Gilbert]

Nope- Poor people are just as much if not more at fault, perhaps one of the reasons they are poor. :lol: P.S. with one exception- put too much importance in brand labels!

Really? We know a few poor people and they are hardly what we'd call stupid or wasteful.

 

[karrie]

I absolutely agree in principal with everything that you've stated here. Having said that though, I find myself conflicted over the issue simply because we have children dying by their own hand far too often. I think we're just at the point where this needs to be confronted head on, no more pretending that this is not occurring in our schools, secular or otherwise. Yes, it's always better to be changed from within but too many kids are suffering. That's just my personal take on the whole issue.

I just kind of fail to see how making the Catholic school use the name chosen by the students, will really change the purpose, or successfulness, of the club. It's picking at nits in my view. If the school chooses to call it the 'Open Arms Club', is that 'slight' going to hamper its effectiveness?

 

[JLM]

Really? We know a few poor people and they are hardly what we'd call stupid or wasteful.

So do I, you'll find the whole gamut across all economic and intellectual lines. SOME people are poor BECAUSE they are stupid and wasteful, while SOME are smart and thrifty BECAUSE they are poor.

 

[damngrumpy]

All schools private or public should conform with the law. No school should be exempt.
I grew up Catholic and I don't agree with their views on the gay issue and others for
that matter. It is not just the Catholic Church here, all churches should be subject to the
law of the land like any other entity. In addition these churches and other institution in
our society should pay taxes like everyone else. Yes there are legitimate deductions they
would be entitled to, but everyone should pay something. churches, the poor, the rich
and corporations, unions and others who benefit from society.
As for bullies they should be outed in the workplace, schools and even the churches. In
today's world there should be no place for them to hide.

 

[gerryh]

I see this thread is another in machjo's crusade to rid Ontario of those horrible Catholic separate schools. Really sucks to be you, eh machjo? Sucks to be the moron that is trying to challenge the system too. I just love these immigrants that want to throw away agreements that were made and enshrined into our Constitution before they and there's were even a part of Canada. What's next on your agenda machjo? First Nations rights that are enshrined in our Constitution? You want to throw those agreements out the window too?


Bullying covers and involves more than JUST GBLT.

 

[WLDB]

Perhaps. But it would seem that this should apply especially to public schools. I could see certain rules applyting to public schools but not private schools in some cases at least.

Rules are one thing. Many schools have different rules. Laws are another.

Except some students would be wearing Walmart-bought uniforms and some would be wearing uniforms by Gucci and Lagerfeld.

Ugh. I was fortunate in that I got out of the Catholic system 1 year before uniforms became mandatory. I'd refuse to wear them. Uniforms for a job are one thing, at a school, I'll look elsewhere.

That would pretty much defeat the entire concept of private schools.

Private schools wouldnt be allowed to exist in the first place if they didnt conform to certain standards.

We don't even need anti bullying legislation. We need teachers and principals to do their damn jobs under the already bloated legal sh!t fest that is the Safe Schools Act.

This alone would help a lot. When I was in school the main problem was that the teachers and the administration would do nothing most of the time. On the rare occasion that they did the bullied would be punished right along side the bullies. It made absolutely no sense. With the way rules are a kid cant even defend themselves. If the schoold refuse to protect them the kids should at least be allowed to do it themselves.

 

[JLM]

Ugh. I was fortunate in that I got out of the Catholic system 1 year before uniforms became mandatory. I'd refuse to wear them. Uniforms for a job are one thing, at a school, I'll look elsewhere.



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It looks like times they be a changin'. Back in the day kids (unless they were self sufficient) generally did what they were told, which generally included wearing the clothes provided for them and if they didn't follow the school rules, they were out. Too much of this "tail wagging the dog" lately.......:lol:.

 

[gerryh]

It looks like times they be a changin'. Back in the day kids (unless they were self sufficient) generally did what they were told, which generally included wearing the clothes provided for them and if they didn't follow the school rules, they were out. Too much of this "tail wagging the dog" lately.......:lol:.

bullshyte

 

[JLM]

We don't even need anti bullying legislation. We need teachers and principals to do their damn jobs under the already bloated legal sh!t fest that is the Safe Schools Act.

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Truer words were never spake, Bear!

 

[WLDB]

It looks like times they be a changin'. Back in the day kids (unless they were self sufficient) generally did what they were told, which generally included wearing the clothes provided for them and if they didn't follow the school rules, they were out. Too much of this "tail wagging the dog" lately.......:lol:.

I think I'd always chose what my parents provided me clothes wise over what the school would. My parents also didnt have to wear uniforms when they went to school. A school dictating what a kid should be allowed to wear or not wear seems to be going a bit far. Parents generally complain about strange laws/rules limiting what they can and cant do with their kids. Im surprised more dont complain about this issue.

 

[JLM]

I think I'd always chose what my parents provided me clothes wise over what the school would. My parents also didnt have to wear uniforms when they went to school. A school dictating what a kid should be allowed to wear or not wear seems to be going a bit far. Parents generally complain about strange laws/rules limiting what they can and cant do with their kids. Im surprised more dont complain about this issue.

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but there is a positive side (in my view) to uniforms, for one they reduce the time wasted focussing on clothes. For two it's just one less status symbol that can make some kids feel inferior.

 

[WLDB]

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but there is a positive side (in my view) to uniforms, for one they reduce the time wasted focussing on clothes. For two it's just one less status symbol that can make some kids feel inferior.

True. Look how efficiently those North Koreans get things done in their little grey uniforms. Must be nice not to have to worry about clothes or status.

 

[TenPenny]

It looks like times they be a changin'. Back in the day kids (unless they were self sufficient) generally did what they were told, which generally included wearing the clothes provided for them and if they didn't follow the school rules, they were out. Too much of this "tail wagging the dog" lately.......:lol:.

Clothes provided for them? Are you under the impression that school uniforms are provided by the school? It also doesn't save money, since the parents now have to buy uniforms that can only be worn for school.

 

[JLM]

Clothes provided for them? Are you under the impression that school uniforms are provided by the school? It also doesn't save money, since the parents now have to buy uniforms that can only be worn for school.

Of course the parents are going to pay for the "uniform", which can be anything as long as everyone has the same thing..........G.W.G. jeans and a white T shirt for example. The school could provide them (they could get a discount buying in quantity) and bill the parents.
Your last sentence makes no sense at all, it's just as cheap to have 10 sets of clothes as it is to have one. :lol:

 

[Machjo]

Can you provide a link as to who thinks this? Why not discuss it in the actual thread you're talking about? *scratches head*

I can't remember the paper, but in Ontario the Separate schools are asking the government to be exempted from the gay-straight alliance clubs.

While I can understand their position (and even I'm not sure where I stand on the details of the issue), we have to consider too that the separate schools are essentially public schools and as such should in principle be bound to the same rules as secular public schools. Obviously whether it ought to apply to private Catholic schools would be a matter for a separate debate.

 

[CDNBear]

While I can understand their position (and even I'm not sure where I stand on the details of the issue), we have to consider too that the separate schools are essentially public schools and as such should in principle be bound to the same rules as secular public schools.

They're separate schools. Not public schools.

 

[Machjo]

They're separate schools. Not public schools.

They're not private schools, and the antomym of private is public, so Separate schools are public schools just as the secular public schools are.