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Yay! Long weekend!Should Military be used to keep Quebec in confederation
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I don't think that any language is beneath me. I think that non-french canadians (the vaste majority) are getting tottaly screwed by French speaking Canadians.
And immigrants such as myself and my family for generations are getting screwed twice as much since we are alrerady bilingual wih English and another language and don't expect any of us to learn a third. Or for that matter to want my children to give up our own ancestral language to pader to the whining trailer park trash of French Canadians who demand advantages over the rest of us who are more valuable and more productive citizens than they generaly are with their maniana-like distinct culture turning Canada into a Bananada.
And immigrants such as myself and my family for generations are getting screwed twice as much since we are alrerady bilingual wih English and another language and don't expect any of us to learn a third. Or for that matter to want my children to give up our own ancestral language to pader to the whining trailer park trash of French Canadians who demand advantages over the rest of us who are more valuable and more productive citizens than they generaly are with their maniana-like distinct culture turning Canada into a Bananada.
Fine sir, Mr Paradox, you are twisting and manipulating a simple yes and no question. You my fine sir are in favour of the military occupation of what would be respected by the international community and I'd say in convention with the UN a nation new nation state which has it's own ethnic, language and cultural distinctions, and one which has a history of foreign occupation (Britian over new France) In deed such an occupation would prove this point.
Fine sir, I am not saying that the Law which the english magority has made and signed in spite of the french minority is not binding, at least in Canadian courts, but is it binding to nation states who would regonize such a government, and perhaps a republic?
Mr Paradox you can bring up your legal legitimacies as much as you wish but fine sir, you are in favour of the occupation of French Canada (Quebec) if the people of that proncive so does chose to seperate and then by act of national assembly secede from confederation and declare themselves a nation state. From that moment on Quebec would not be considered a part of Canada, at least in many of the worlds nations states who would regonize such a government, and would frown on Canadian aggression, as they frown on Serbia for Kosovo, Russia for Chechnyia, Indonsia for East Timor. We would be joining the ranks of honoured nations I see, if not aggressive occupiors.
Fine sir, I am not saying that the Law which the english magority has made and signed in spite of the french minority is not binding, at least in Canadian courts, but is it binding to nation states who would regonize such a government, and perhaps a republic?
Mr Paradox you can bring up your legal legitimacies as much as you wish but fine sir, you are in favour of the occupation of French Canada (Quebec) if the people of that proncive so does chose to seperate and then by act of national assembly secede from confederation and declare themselves a nation state. From that moment on Quebec would not be considered a part of Canada, at least in many of the worlds nations states who would regonize such a government, and would frown on Canadian aggression, as they frown on Serbia for Kosovo, Russia for Chechnyia, Indonsia for East Timor. We would be joining the ranks of honoured nations I see, if not aggressive occupiors.
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Five, D'un cote, il y a la constitution. Et de l'autre, la realite. Selon les francophones, ils sont deja une societe distincte, donc selon eux, avoir besoin de la permission des anglophones pour se separe du Canada serrait comme le Canada ayan besoin de la permission des Etats Unies pour faire quelque chause. Croi moi, si la majorite des Quebecois deciderais de se separer, serrait tu pret a joindre les forces armees Canadienne? Parce que je peut guarantir que c serrait la guerre. Et avec un quart de la populaiot au Quebec, se serrait sanguin!
FiveParadox said:
Five, D'un cote, il y a la constitution. Et de l'autre, la realite. Selon les francophones, ils sont deja une societe distincte, donc selon eux, avoir besoin de la permission des anglophones pour se separe du Canada serrait comme le Canada ayan besoin de la permission des Etats Unies pour faire quelque chause. Croi moi, si la majorite des Quebecois deciderais de se separer, serrait tu pret a joindre les forces armees Canadienne? Parce que je peut guarantir que c serrait la guerre. Et avec un quart de la populaiot au Quebec, se serrait sanguin!
gasçons et amies mon francias et mal. qu'est-ce en anglos et francias. Je ne savior pas qoi c'est parlons, merci.
Boys and friends, my French sucks and it is hard for me to translate it, as I have not been able to use my french in the past few years. Please use both French and English to help in my translations as I do not have a french translation program and I find it pointless and childish to use one as it does not show knowledge not skill in French. Thanks.
Boys and friends, my French sucks and it is hard for me to translate it, as I have not been able to use my french in the past few years. Please use both French and English to help in my translations as I do not have a french translation program and I find it pointless and childish to use one as it does not show knowledge not skill in French. Thanks.
Finder,
I don't know about this Paradox fellow.
He is an admitedly Gay French Speaking Canadian, and therefore gets lots of recognition and benefits with Canada as we have become today that are not enjoyed in most other countries.
He is therefore prepared to suggest that the children of Non-French Canadians to go and kill and get killed by going to war to protect the two precious oraffices he relies upon to define himself.
As a Canadian myself, I vote to allow military intervention in Quebec but only using openly Gay soldiers who speak French fluidly... then let loose the dogs of war over Quebec.
I don't know about this Paradox fellow.
He is an admitedly Gay French Speaking Canadian, and therefore gets lots of recognition and benefits with Canada as we have become today that are not enjoyed in most other countries.
He is therefore prepared to suggest that the children of Non-French Canadians to go and kill and get killed by going to war to protect the two precious oraffices he relies upon to define himself.
As a Canadian myself, I vote to allow military intervention in Quebec but only using openly Gay soldiers who speak French fluidly... then let loose the dogs of war over Quebec.
That's one of the biggest problems in Canada; compatriots needing translators to communitae with one another aren't compatriots: until that problem is solved, the separation issue will linger on.
Machjo said:
Machjo, I took French but In Toronto I rarely get to use it. All I need to do is take a refresher every few years and I'm good for awhile but then since I don't get to use it, I slowly lose it again. =-( It's sad. I wish I could learn it, be able to use it in daily life, and keep it. In Toronto many tongues are spoken and French is another small minority tongue. This City is dominated by the english tongue.
Iamcanadian. I'm sure Paradox is willing to speak in both official tongues to help me translate his accords. I can translate some but to debate off what I can get is very hard to do considering I need more then just... the jest of what he is saying to come up with a resonable responce.
If I am going to use French in this forum, Finder, I would be more than happy to provide simultaneous translation — no problemo. As for you, iamcanadian, I think you are taking my position out of context, and quite out of proportion. I am just saying that I don't think Québec has the right to separate without the consent of the nation — and while I am sure there exists a role for the Canadian Forces in terms of ensuring that each party abides by the law, I would not suggest that there be any sort of "war", as you have so quaintly implicated.
As for you, iamcanadian, I think you are taking my position out of context, and quite out of proportion. I am just saying that I don't think Québec has the right to separate without the consent of the nation — and while I am sure there exists a role for the Canadian Forces in terms of ensuring that each party abides by the law, I would not suggest that there be any sort of "war", as you have so quaintly implicated.
Someone educate me here, Quebec never signed on the dotted line, how are they even bound by the Constitution?
I think not said:
They approved of patriation and lost all veto "powers" through the patriation of the consitution. What they didn't approve of was the ammendments. All other provinces approved (for the most part) and they felt short changed as per their usual.
They didn't sign the dotted line but we made the law so we made it so they wouldn't have to sign for it to be bidding. This is the law Paradox is defeanding and is saying he use Canadian Troops to prevent Quebec or any other province from leaving. I could call Paradox something but I like him too much to say those words.
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quote="iamcanadian"Finder,
I don't know about this Paradox fellow.
Neither do I; never met the chap except on-line.
He is an admitedly Gay French Speaking Canadian, and therefore gets lots of recognition and benefits with Canada as we have become today that are not enjoyed in most other countries.
Let me get this straight, Cone Head. The fact that Five put some effort into learning is a negative? I suppose you're morally opposed to literacy too, are you? And what the hell does his being gay have to do with his philosophical beliefs? I've often (in fact usually if not always, since I never think about how I personally will benefit so much as what I believe to be best for humanity) voted in favour of parties which went against my own personal material interests based on my beliefs. But I suppose if your only criterium for voting is how much you can profit from it, that would be consistent with your ethical opposition with studying and education.
He is therefore prepared to suggest that the children of Non-French Canadians to go and kill and get killed by going to war to protect the two precious oraffices he relies upon to define himself.
I'm morally opposed to homosexual behaviour too, but I at least try to show some class. Again, you're assumption that Five will support a particular philosophy based solely on the potential for material gain for himself just proves how much of a cone head you are.
As a Canadian myself, I vote to allow military intervention in Quebec but only using openly Gay soldiers who speak French fluidly... then let loose the dogs of war over Quebec.
You really are full of hatred, aren't you. I'm guessing your ex-wife was a French Canadian who turned gay? And you've never forgiven her since?
quote="iamcanadian"Finder,
I don't know about this Paradox fellow.
Neither do I; never met the chap except on-line.
He is an admitedly Gay French Speaking Canadian, and therefore gets lots of recognition and benefits with Canada as we have become today that are not enjoyed in most other countries.
Let me get this straight, Cone Head. The fact that Five put some effort into learning is a negative? I suppose you're morally opposed to literacy too, are you? And what the hell does his being gay have to do with his philosophical beliefs? I've often (in fact usually if not always, since I never think about how I personally will benefit so much as what I believe to be best for humanity) voted in favour of parties which went against my own personal material interests based on my beliefs. But I suppose if your only criterium for voting is how much you can profit from it, that would be consistent with your ethical opposition with studying and education.
He is therefore prepared to suggest that the children of Non-French Canadians to go and kill and get killed by going to war to protect the two precious oraffices he relies upon to define himself.
I'm morally opposed to homosexual behaviour too, but I at least try to show some class. Again, you're assumption that Five will support a particular philosophy based solely on the potential for material gain for himself just proves how much of a cone head you are.
As a Canadian myself, I vote to allow military intervention in Quebec but only using openly Gay soldiers who speak French fluidly... then let loose the dogs of war over Quebec.
You really are full of hatred, aren't you. I'm guessing your ex-wife was a French Canadian who turned gay? And you've never forgiven her since?
Machjo, Iamcanadians attack on the french people and culture on this board go back far and is pretty well known to many of us by now. He's one of our tin foil wraped around the head members.
quote="Finder"
Machjo, I took French but In Toronto I rarely get to use it. All I need to do is take a refresher every few years and I'm good for awhile but then since I don't get to use it, I slowly lose it again. =-( It's sad. I wish I could learn it, be able to use it in daily life, and keep it. In Toronto many tongues are spoken and French is another small minority tongue. This City is dominated by the english tongue.
I'm not going to argue with that; French is a bitch of a language to learn. Fair enough. But then again, so is English! So obviously as long as we continue with this obviously flawed strategy of requiring anglophones to learn French and Francophones to learn English, with the vast majority on both sides failing miserably in this effort, this division will continue. Would it thus not be much more logical to have both English and French Canadians learn an easy common second language? That way, since the second language would be easy, all could learn it well, thus solving the language barrier once and for all. And since it would be a common second language, it would allow for neutral communication as opposed to one side having to bow to the difficult language of the other. Without justice, there will never be peace.
Machjo said:
Machjo, I took French but In Toronto I rarely get to use it. All I need to do is take a refresher every few years and I'm good for awhile but then since I don't get to use it, I slowly lose it again. =-( It's sad. I wish I could learn it, be able to use it in daily life, and keep it. In Toronto many tongues are spoken and French is another small minority tongue. This City is dominated by the english tongue.
I'm not going to argue with that; French is a bitch of a language to learn. Fair enough. But then again, so is English! So obviously as long as we continue with this obviously flawed strategy of requiring anglophones to learn French and Francophones to learn English, with the vast majority on both sides failing miserably in this effort, this division will continue. Would it thus not be much more logical to have both English and French Canadians learn an easy common second language? That way, since the second language would be easy, all could learn it well, thus solving the language barrier once and for all. And since it would be a common second language, it would allow for neutral communication as opposed to one side having to bow to the difficult language of the other. Without justice, there will never be peace.
Well there is nothing common between English and French, they are two different laungage groups. French being Latin-Romantic and English being Germanic. So no matter what tongue we both chose to learn it would be just as hard for us to communicate. I admit my failing in mastering French. I try and I can communigate enough to get by when need be and or take a pick up course and be able to speak enough for a trip to Quebec now and then.
But yeah, no way we can learn a root tongue which would be easy for us to both pick up.
But yeah, no way we can learn a root tongue which would be easy for us to both pick up.
Finder said:
but is this Cone Head for real? I mean, I know there are really stupid people in this world, but to be opposed to education and learning? Wow, just wow. He is pulling are legs. I bet he's got two nicks in Canadian Content; one he uses to present his intelligent self, and this one when he's bored to play with us and pull our legs.... right? Oh God I hope so! Otherwise I feel sorry for his kid.
Kid: Hey, Dad, I got an A on my report card.
IamCanadian: You did what? That's it, you're grounded kid. What did I tell you about studying? Let me see your book... You treacherous bastard you... the binder is cracked! You openned this book, didn't you? At the beginning of last year, it was new if I remember correctly. That's it, time to pull you out of school, kid!
Kid: But Dad, look at yourself! It's you who motivates me to study so hard; you set the perfect example of what I aspire not to become.
IamCanadian: No buts kid.
Machjo, yup he just has this unknown hate on for the french. I once asked him what the french did to him. Tie him up and torture him! I just don't get it, but many of his idea's are just out in the deep end. Of course I shouldn't throw stones as I myself have come up with some wide eye'd theories in the past. You shouldn;t throw stones if you like in a class house. Well I hope half of what I say makes sence, I don't think much of Iamcanadian does. But he seems generally like a nice guy, just a big hate on for the french. *shrugs*
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Sad. Really effin sad.
iamcanadian said:
Sad. Really effin sad.