Should Ford Resign?
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I agree, but for different reasons.
Of course I don't believe that. I've never even doubted the video was real, i did doubt it was crack until he admitted it. But even then, there's no evidence that he's a crackhead. His behaviour is as easily explained as being an alcoholic, in over his head, in full panic mode.
You have to love the elitist class, lol.
So you are against the idea of voters being able to recall the mayor?
Why should any politician be completely shielded from public accountability for 4 years? Just because they won an election 3 year ago they can literally sit back and give the finger to the electorate today and we should have no recourse until the full 4 year term is up?
Why should anyone, including you, have the right to tell voters what why they can and can't be unhappy with their mayor? He works for us, we pay his salary and office budget, if we want him gone, we should have the right to make it happen within a reasonable time frame.
Who are you to force your moral agenda on the voters?
I agree. Have a referendum or call an election.
Lol, I guess for once we are in agreement. I would love to have a vote to recall Ford.
I don't see how suggesting that in any way forces anything on the voters.
The reasoning you use.
You want to force your moral agenda, which I think is fair clear, is based on your political bent, upon the mayor, and therefore the city.
If a politician is doing his job, I really don't care about his private life, within reason.
It is your right to have that opinion, but as you say, you shouldn't be allowed to force that on everyone else.
The vast majority want him out of office.
But it's ok for you, lol.
How elitist of you.
That's not saying much, hell, I want him out of office now, he's lost his mind. The difference being, I like the honourable, reasoned route, election day.
I'll leave the slimy underhanded way to the likes of people like you.
I think that Rob Ford is sort of a tragedy. He is a people guy, that is why folks still support him, but having seen substance abuse in so many folks I know that eventually the balancing act between the person and the addiction becomes a losing battle. His actions are a testament to the fact that he needs help. The media certainly looks disgusting in all this, making themselves look like TMZ in their reporting, but the fact is that Ford could get off this train at any time.
I agree with Bear that Rob Ford has been dogged since taking office. People who looked down their nose at the fact that a non-elitist, non-environmentalist, non-gay pride activist, non-kiss up, had been handed the keys to City Hall. How dare they? Who are the voters to use democracy to put someone in power that wouldn't donate their office budget to the Leather Ball or throw themself a $10,000 retirement party. So they tried to unseat him by any means possible, including wasting a ton of tax-payers money on the stationary debacle. The fact of the matter is that beyond the fact that Rob Ford has substance abuse issues which led to the poor choices that are now his undoing. He is responsible for those choices, but those on the Left can no longer stand up and say that they do not subscribe to American style politics, nor can they make excuses for the antics and dishonesty of Bill Clinton, because they have now sunk to the level of dirty tricks that they so vehemently opposed.
I agree with Bear that Rob Ford has been dogged since taking office. People who looked down their nose at the fact that a non-elitist, non-environmentalist, non-gay pride activist, non-kiss up, had been handed the keys to City Hall. How dare they? Who are the voters to use democracy to put someone in power that wouldn't donate their office budget to the Leather Ball or throw themself a $10,000 retirement party. So they tried to unseat him by any means possible, including wasting a ton of tax-payers money on the stationary debacle. The fact of the matter is that beyond the fact that Rob Ford has substance abuse issues which led to the poor choices that are now his undoing. He is responsible for those choices, but those on the Left can no longer stand up and say that they do not subscribe to American style politics, nor can they make excuses for the antics and dishonesty of Bill Clinton, because they have now sunk to the level of dirty tricks that they so vehemently opposed.
A recall election would be slimy and underhanded?
I really don't get how I am forcing anything on anyone? What have I done that is different than what you have done, which is express my opinion about the situation?
Rob Ford is the one who has claimed that he wants "American Style" politics.
What has happened here is really a pretty unique situation. I have never seen someone cling to power like this before when it is so clear that it is best for him to step aside. In America, any one of the problems that Ford has had would lead to someone stepping down.
None of us have a problem with the VOTERS have the ability to fire an elected representative. What we object to is a self appointed special interest group presuming to speak for the electorate.
From our experience with the BC recall system it doesn't seem to work very well and has been subjected to abuse by those seeking political advantage.
Ya, you've said that already, stop being an attention w h ore. you look even more foolish.
No, the way he's been stripped now.
Fish don't know they're wet either.
Bingo.
As I said before I don't have a horse in the race so I don't care. Write your own recall legislation. Wait until the next election and see if the loud minority is actually right. I think it would be hilarious if Ford won again.
I think that process is wrong. It should be the voters that decide if he has any power or not. Failing that, he should continue to do what he was elected to do. Now if he is convicted of anything, I believe he is legally required to step down. Until then, council should return to city business such as another fare hike for North America's s-h-i-t-t-iest transet systems. If are recall happens, let it be done by the voters. If you wish to discuss how that is accomplished at a general level, let's do. There are a few councellors which probably should able to be recalled too.
It would have to be the NDP + PCs not or. But right now Andria Martin has her nose too far up Wyn's *** for that to happen.
I think he probably did most of the stuff he is accused of. None of this affects how he runs/ran the city. I won't vote against him because of this stuff. I will probably vote for a different councellor however.
I think the situation is sad that he has played right into his opponent's hands. He certainly can't claim any high road.
In regard to the poor choices, he is the master of his own destiny, but the conduct of his detractors is a matter of public record.
I have to agree- the stresses are there for all to see. That is if they choose to see.
I wish we could recall the mayor, but without permission from the province, the alternative shouldn't be 0 accountability.
We elect a Mayor and a city council for a reason. The only powers that Ford lost were the ones that are allocated to him by city council, so city council is more than within their rights to reallocate those responsibilities if they see fit. The guy still has every power that was legally awarded to him by the public in the election.
City council has a duty to represent their constituents in the best way that they see fit.
That hasn't been tested yet.
I'm not saying you, but I find it odd how often I see that touted selectively, lol.
Flossy for instance didn't agree with it when 82% of the city wanted a subway, now all of a sudden the polls mean something to him. Just so you know why I like to bug him so much.