Just found a new load for my .223 Remington.....53 grain V-Max at 3300 fps, shoots into 1/2 inch at 100 yards, and I'm thrilled.
I doubt the local coyotes and gophers will be, however.
Should dolphins and whales have the right to life, liberty and wellbeing?
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Just found a new load for my .223 Remington.....53 grain V-Max at 3300 fps, shoots into 1/2 inch at 100 yards, and I'm thrilled.
I doubt the local coyotes and gophers will be, however.
You are a cold hearted bastard, ColpyJust found a new load for my .223 Remington.....53 grain V-Max at 3300 fps, shoots into 1/2 inch at 100 yards, and I'm thrilled.
I doubt the local coyotes and gophers will be, however.
but beware of the Trickster Coyote.Coyote
by Tamara Kazakova
The Coyote mythlore is one of the most popular among the Native American. Coyote is a ubiquitous being and can be categorized in many types. In creation myths, Coyote appears as the Creator himself; but he may at the same time be the messenger, the culture hero, the trickster, the fool. He has also the ability of the transformer: in some stories he is a handsome young man; in others he is an animal; yet others present him as just a power, a sacred one. According to Crow (and other Plains) tradition, Old Man Coyote impersonates the Creator, "Old Man Coyote took up a handful of mud and out of it made people" . His creative power is also spread onto words, "Old Man Coyote named buffalo, deer, elk, antelopes, and bear. And all these came into being" . In such myths Coyote-Creator is never mentioned as an animal, more, he can meet his animal counterpart, the coyote: they address each other as "elder brother" and "younger brother", and walk and talk together . According to A. Hultkranz, the impersonation of Coyote as Creator is a result of a taboo, a mythic substitute to the religious notion of the Great Spirit whose name was too dangerous and/or sacred to use apart from a special ceremony .
In Chelan myths, Coyote belongs to the animal people but he is at the same time "a power just like the Creator, the head of all the creatures" . Yet his being 'just like the Creator' does not really mean being 'the Creator': it is not seldom that Coyote-Just-Like-Creator is subject to the Creator, Great Chief Above, who can punish him, send him away, take powers away from him, etc. In the Pacific Northwest tradition, Coyote is mostly mentioned as a messenger, or minor power, "Coyote was sent to the camp of the chief of the Cold Wind tribe to deliver a challenge; Coyote traveled around to tell all the people in both tribes about the contest." As such, Coyote "was cruelly treated, and his work was never done."
As the culture hero, Coyote appears in various mythic traditions. His major heroic attributes are transformation, traveling, high deeds, power. He is engaged in changing the ways of rivers, standing of mountains, creating new landscapes and getting sacred things for people. Of mention is the tradition of Coyote fighting against monsters. According to Wasco tradition, Coyote was the hero to fight and kill Thunderbird, the killer of people, but he could do that not because of his personal power, but due to the help of the Spirit Chief; Coyote was trying his best, he was fighting hard, and he had to have fasted ten days before the fight, so advised by Spirit Chief . In many Wasco myths, Coyote rivals the Raven (Crow) about the same ordeal: in some stories, Multnomah Falls came to be by Coyote's efforts; in others, it is done by Raven.
More often than not Coyote is a trickster, but he is always different. In some stories, he is a noble trickster, "Coyote takes water from the Frog people... because it is not right that one people have all the water." In others, he is mean, "Coyote determined to bring harm to Duck. He took Duck's wife and children, whom he treated badly."
There are few recorded cases of wild orcas threatening humans; none of these have been fatal.
We can't judge another species mating behavior with human morality. Right whales can't mate unless two males cooperate. Their sex is always a threesome and for all we know the females like it that way. However we can recognize their ability to reason and feel.
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Are whales smart enough to know what a Japanese Whaling vessel looks like? Maybe we can teach them ship identification. Maybe we can teach them that when they are being chased by one of these vessels to take a deep breath and stay under water and change direction.
Cetaceans aren't any smarter than your average Labrador Retriever.
Twice in two years we've had Humpback Whales breach right in front of our boat off WCVI-while we were running over 20 mph.
If we had hit the Whale (they can be up to 40 tonnes) it would have been lights out for us-skiff wrecked and humans dead and alive floating everywhere.
It would also have grievously injured the Whales but they aren't smart enough to be afraid of boats-which means they aren't very smart at all.
I'm surprised none of you bleeding hearts has brought up that bullsh!t film The Cove
I won tickets when it played here and what a load of confused lies and half truths.
Not one of the organisers/fundraisers (there are always fundraisers @ those events you know) could tell me why the dumbcluck Cetaceans return to the exact same spot year after year after year since who knows when to be killed en masse.
I mean how smart is an animal like that, eh?
Our taboo on eating whales is quite strong, when form GG Michaelle Jean went to the Arctic, she ate seal meat, not whale meat. Had she at whale meat, her politcal career would have been dead meat. You can't eat Flipper or his cousins in these parts.
Nope. It's sheer stupidity to screw the planet up over a bunch of paper. You get over that.
Where have you been? Denmark, Japan, Norway, and Iceland actively hunt cetaceans.
never mind the question; I don't want to know where you've been.
Yep. Any species should have the right to exist. As far as giving other species human rights goes, that's a bit screwy.
I'm not one for societal taboos on food. I think it's silly.
The anthropomorphizing of animals is even more idiotic.
I doubt they can tell the diff between a whaling ship and a tanker or a passenger liner. At least not till it's too late.
Starting to sound like MHz with all his "ifs" and "maybes". lol
I think anyone who thinks dolphins, whales, etc. are exceptionally intelligent, has never spent enough time with cows, rats, coyotes, sheep, or any other host of animal that we as humans see no problem snuffing out for food.
I agree with stopping the hunting for commercial use of any animal that we can't farm or adequately sustain, but I think the idea that one mammal is more self aware or intelligent is unprovable and frankly, a bit ridiculous. Just because a dolphin can communicate better doesn't make it more aware than the pig rolling in slop that no one took the time to coddle and teach tricks to.
Like Colpy said, intelligence is not the best way by which to judge the value of life. And as I said, trees and grasses are important, too, but no-one would call them intelligent.
Ah, you must be referring to the ' If/then Syndrome' (I find it hard to believe that you didn't get the sequence right)., you know that when you are actually allowed to go through a mental process where you say if somebody is lying to me then I better kick their ass our of the room (more or less but I'm sure you get the idea).
I admit having the syndrome is radically different in that your theme of ' they lie to me for my own good ' is radical because you have to suspend the entire thought process. Once stopped it is had to restart, Bout as much chance as rehabbing a ped.
They aren't killing their own, nor do any beasts of the field, of fish so the must be one step higher one the evolution chain, oh wait they were around before man, guess we will outgrow this phase in about 100M years. A light at the end of a tunnel, don't that just make your day so much brighter???
By that logic, if you bump into something in your environment and injure yourself, you disqualify yourself of intelligence. Which would mean humanity is out of the running. We bump into stuff and hurt ourselves all the damn time. Go sit in an x-ray clinic or an ER and ask people what landed them there.
That would be so sweet to see a group of whales sink a hunter/killer boat and them tow the life-rafts to shore, lol
Thank God it was a once in a life-time performance. 5 long showers and I still feel don't feel clean.