You guys? I am not complaining.
Generalization's a bitch, eh?
You could...but you won't as it is not in the best interest of Canada to take a 180 and cut trade off from the US.
Sez who? You telling me what my country's best interests are is about as sensible as me telling you what your country's are in comparison. I don't live there, so I don't know, such as yourself.
The thing here that is different between the US and Canada is that most of us here are used to planning things out first before taking action, not the other way around. Do you seriously think I have it in my head that we'd just cut the trade with no quick backup or switch over to alternative and just let our economy drift in the wind?
Exactly. We aren't planning an invasion no matter how many Canadians of that ilk say that we will invade. You will not cut trade as it does not make any sense. It will cost Canada a lot more in cash to move all of your goods or natural resources overseas as opposed to shipping them to the US.
Perhaps if you look at it in one perspective, then again, how much are we being gouged and how much would we actually save from avoiding trade from a country which has for the most part, been nickle/diming us any chance they can? Sorry to say, but the US is a lot more focused and reliant on the Capitalist mentality which also means most are more willing to find loopholes and backdoors in deals in order to get more then they actually should.
Plain and simple, I don't trust trade with the US anymore, just as I don't trust the US with a lot of things these days. Actions are what I base my opinions on. Considdering the direction your country is heading in, in many aspects, trading with China and the US probably wouldn't make much of a major difference. That isn't Anti-American... that's just lack of trust and perhaps a dash of frustration.
Well the shape of your military shows that this "conflict" is not coming anytime soon.
Hmmm.... our military is moving forward and shaping up.... your military is so spread out, lacking recruits, oil prices are sky rocketing, two wars currently going on, one more in the works with Iran, dollar value in the crapper......
This conflict isn't coming anytime soon that's for sure, but not by the reasons you're thinking of.
Not the bravery of Canadian soldiers but the military infrastructure as a whole. I believe that you will die old and gray and the US and Canada will still be chugging along as trade partners and allies. A conflict between the two countries is just not in sight. Some Canadians don't like us but that is pretty much it.
Regardless, my comments were in response to you claiming a conflict will
Never happen between the two nations.... I was stating otherwise that in general, no two countries stay friends forever.
C'mon...you couldn't see the sarcasm in my comment. You were touting about the big Chinese population up there. There is a huge Chinese population here as well. I am saying that it does not make a difference to China how many of it's citizens and people of Chinese heritage are living in Canada. China will do for China.
I never said anything in regards to China pampering us because we have some of their people living here.... my point was that their population here in the country is increasing every year.... with that also comes the culture from China.... with that comes more understanding of China. Your country probably has the same type of thing going on, but one difference is how China is viewed by the media/public in our countries..... your country I have noticed always likes to potray them as evil doers "Communist China" all the time, speculations over them purposely trying to poison your children, etc... here in Canada, they're treated like any other country in the news..... just the facts.... therefore perhaps China's overall apperance is skewed a lot more in the US then it might be in Canada, due to a different approach of understanding.
Tell me something.... why is it that China has screwed you guys more then they screwed us? We deal with them probably just as much as you guys do at the moment for probably just as long. I would be interested in the details.
You see China as an alternative because of a misdirected sense of Canadian nationalism.
Misdirected Canadian Nationalism? Wow, I seek the best interests for the country in which I live in because it will most likely affect me directly?
Isn't this what the US has been doing for the last number of years? Doing what you guys think is in the best interests of the US, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks?
Darn.... other countries are doing it too now? And this time it might be at the expense of the US... so now we'll try and make an evil label of Misdirected Canadian Nationalism.
Come on now, you must see how silly this sounds coming from you and where you come from?
You want it to...but it won't. Every time our economy is in a downswing we hear this talk. That is until it is in an upswing.
Well when in Rome......
No...we would try to boost your economy so you wouldn't go down the tubes. Just like during the Clinton years when the booming Asian market went bust. The US supported the Yen. Of course that would get people like you even more POed.
We did that as well, whoopie do.
And you wouldn't boost our economy.... you'd claim you guys were, but you'd just buy out more land and more companies at our expense and get as much profit out of our downfall as you could while the costs were dirt, and then when we'd get back up on our feet, we'd realize we're owned more by you guys then ever before.
I mean the above is already going on today.... why the heck would we want to leave ourselves completely exposed in a vulnerable manner in which you guys could have your way with us?
Once again, I don't trust the US in pretty much any regards. Perhaps in time I might again, but I don't see it anytime soon..... oh.... and that is founded and justified by many cases and examples I have been continually posting here and elsewhere in other forums..... and even the ones I have not posted as prime examples over the past few months are very easy to find online.
I'm not trying to say this as a stab at the US, this is just how it is. Your country's actions produce negative opinions and critics based on those actions.... don't hate the playa.... hate the game.
We may very well be heading towards a recession. But recessions are part of a cycle. Maybe there will be less money to spend but eventually the recession will end that is why cutting and running is not a bright idea. That is why Canada won't cut and run. You may thump your chest a bit but it is still going to cost a fortune to export overseas. Shipping is not cheap.
Regardless, if your country becomes too poor to trade with effectively, we will have no choice but to trade elsewhere until you do..... that is why Canada might still cut and run. Let's see.... spend a bit more money to send our products to people who can pay for it, or shall we just dance around the US waiting for them to get back up on their feet, all the while making us lose jobs because there isn't a market for our products in the US, or that you guys just can't afford it? This is already happening in our auto industries and our lumber industries, among many others.... people are losing jobs simply because most of the companies relied way too much on the US..... now they're out of work.
This is why it is indeed a bright idea to be trading with other countries, not just the US.
Not very sound business at that.
For you guys perhaps.
I remember that and I was in support of the Canadian province telling the US company to beat it. However a few Canadians came out here and said according to NAFTA the US Company has a case and that the stance the province was taking was illegal. They went on to point out that this Canadian province was doing exactly to the US company that Canadians accuse the US of.
Which is also why I think NAFTA should be scrapped as it has caused more problems then it actually solved.
Well as long as you know that deep down it is all talk.
Talk leads to planning.... planning leads to action, but if nobody talks, then nobody understands, therefore nothing is done. I've got all the time in the world to plan and talk at the moment. Jumping right into action to show up someone who calls you on it, without talking or planning is just foolish, nor will I bite the hook.
Once a case is strong enough, then action can be made.
Oh I can take it...that is why I am here. What bugs me is that whenever Canadians get critical of the US and get some flack in return they go bonkers. So it does not bug me at all or I would not be a member here.
You can't take it or you would have stopped trying to label me some anti-american a long time ago when I clearly expressed my views and why I am at the position I currently am.
