Seniors don't want to give up money for younger gen: poll

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The premise of this topic is sounding more and more like horse sh-t all the time. Both my children went to university. We provided tuition
and room and board while they were going to university. They both found part time jobs that paid for books and spending money. I know I spent over twenty six thousand dollars for tuition for the two of them. It's hard to put a value on room and board but five or six hundred a month seems to be
the going rate but we didn't charge them. As a result of our efforts both my kids earn a good living and pay more taxes than if they hadn't
gone to college. We certainly gave up money for our younger generation. I have no reason to think that our children are ungrateful nor do I expect them to be forever in our debt. We are a family.

Your children are the exception.
 

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This thread is about seniors not being keen on giving up publicly funded services, from the OP. It's not about anyone stealing anyone's money...you older folks keep referencing when you were young...it's not the same at all. It's apples and oranges in almost every conceivable metric. Demographics, what more needs to be said about that? You could get a good job with a high school education, we cannot. Manufacturing jobs that could raise a family were plentiful, now they are not. The cost of post-secondary education was much lower. Just since 1981 for instance, in your country the cost of a university degree has risen six fold, while the CPI increased only 2.5 times. Housing prices are astronomical. A twenty-five year old college graduate isn't living at home because they want to...my generation has the same goals, a house, a family, except it looks like years before we'll be able to afford any of that. I think I'm probably the exception in some cases, because I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't own a cell phone, or any iApple gadgets. Hell, I won't even pay the farmer down the road to remove snow from my driveway because I'm such a cheap bastard. I'd rather break my back for 45 minutes every morning than pay money which could be used to invest or pay down more debt.

I'd like to hear from any of those who seem to think my generation wants to steal from you, just exactly what you mean by that. I've paid my way through my degree, financed by loans which I am paying back, with interest. $500 a month, for the next ten years, actually nine years now, it was over ten years when I started making payments. That's half of what Cliffy lives on in one year! How is the job market or the composition of society in any way similar?

I don't want any sympathy from anyone, I'd just like to hear how it is they think that I want to steal their money, or how I'm a lazy bastard not willing to work or make sacrifices to get by. Hell I even advocate a split system in healthcare so that my taxes can finance a public system, and my premiums I pay through my employer can finance my own healthcare...


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I had fine marks when in highschool in the fifties, but there is no way I could ever have gone to university, didn't
even give it a second thought, far too expensive, and not a student loan in sight, no such thing, therefore
I left school and settled for office work, secretarial etc.
If I hadn't decided to marry, then I could have saved and possibly gone to night school.

The point is: university was not available for the average middle class person, and especially me who
was at home with a mother who worked, a divorced mom.

My grandson as we speak is going thru a job shop program, and has been picked to participate in an
apprentice program in the construction trade, and he's hoping to specialize later on and become an
electrician. He graduated last spring, and this opportunity allows him to make the transition from school
into the work force. He is at the genius level with school marks, but very quiet and finds it difficult
to just go out there and do it, this course helps him in that respect.

Just as I couldn't, he can't go to university because of finances not being available, so he is making
this effort to move forward.

When our daughters were growing my husband worked two jobs for some time so that we could afford to
buy a house and also raise our kids 'right'.

We don't owe an opology to anyone ever, for the kind of life we had and are having. 'One should never
generalize' on subjects like this, it is inconsiderate and inaccurate, there are all kinds of people who
are greedy and take take take, and those who manage within their means, and each generation will have
all of the types of humans there is, and life will continue with the gimmie, gimmie, lazy lazy and the
hard workers, and we have no control over anything else, so the whining should be to the government, not
to people like ourselves and most others.

When we pass on, our daughters will divide up our assets from our estate which will help them as they
move thru life. We have never been wealthy, but did work hard to build a house, took a long time, but
we got it done, should we feel guilty because we had a house of our own, give me a break.

We can't do anything about 'how' life was during our lifetime, and neither can anyone else, during theirs.
That is the way the cards are dealt, suck it up and figure it out, just like we had to, and many before
us.
 

Niflmir

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We can't do anything about 'how' life was during our lifetime, and neither can anyone else, during theirs.
That is the way the cards are dealt, suck it up and figure it out, just like we had to, and many before
us.

Sure, but you can take an honest look at how things are now and realize that maybe, just maybe, the government squandered the taxes people paid in the past and those people need to be willing to accept cuts to the benefits they have.

The tax money wasn't saved by the government. It was spent on the premise that there would be more than enough tax money in the future to pay for everything, but--lo, and behold--there isn't enough money. Demanding that all the programs for seniors paid for by current tax payers stay the same is just being ignorant to the way things are now and playing dumb to the fact that the government already spent the tax dollars of the past.
 

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Sure, but you can take an honest look at how things are now and realize that maybe, just maybe, the government squandered the taxes people paid in the past and those people need to be willing to accept cuts to the benefits they have.

The tax money wasn't saved by the government. It was spent on the premise that there would be more than enough tax money in the future to pay for everything, but--lo, and behold--there isn't enough money. Demanding that all the programs for seniors paid for by current tax payers stay the same is just being ignorant to the way things are now and playing dumb to the fact that the government already spent the tax dollars of the past.

We have to get our fiscal house in order - Clawback on pensions are set at a high rate of income, civil service pensions are higher than the private sector, wages as well. Medicare has to change but no one has the balls to start.
 

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The premise of this topic is sounding more and more like horse sh-t all the time. Both my children went to university. We provided tuition
and room and board while they were going to university. They both found part time jobs that paid for books and spending money. I know I spent over twenty six thousand dollars for tuition for the two of them. It's hard to put a value on room and board but five or six hundred a month seems to be
the going rate but we didn't charge them. As a result of our efforts both my kids earn a good living and pay more taxes than if they hadn't
gone to college. We certainly gave up money for our younger generation. I have no reason to think that our children are ungrateful nor do I expect them to be forever in our debt. We are a family.

Can't you tell by the avatar the man is an idiot? :lol:
 

Niflmir

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We have to get our fiscal house in order - Clawback on pensions are set at a high rate of income, civil service pensions are higher than the private sector, wages as well. Medicare has to change but no one has the balls to start.

By the time I retire, I figure the CPP will have completely folded. Actually, I figure it will probably come to an end long before that.
 

JLM

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What us old timers don't have now that old timers had 50 years ago:

1. Free transit passes
2. Cigarettes for $0.35 a pack
3. A round of golf for $5.00 or less
4. Sunday-go-to-meeting shoes for less than $20.00
5. Haircuts for $2.00
6. A full meal with desert for a buck.
7. A newspaper for a nickel
8. Strontium-90 in their milk
9. Water from the community well
10 A sense of humour

These are tough times for seniors

11. Freedom from incessant whining. :lol:

Since seniors in general do not appreciate what the younger generations are doing for them, it is rather funny that they like to throw around terms like ingrates when referring to their children.

Oh yeah, and just exactly what is it the youngsters are doing for the seniors besides running up bills? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I see we are getting some more of our friend "Bob and Weave"! :lol:
 

JLM

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I have no problem supporting the senior population.


Bob and weave :lol:

Actually if anyone is to blame for the way things are in the country today, it's not the average lunch bucket toting wage slave, but two rather affluent fellows by the names of Trudeau and Mulroney! :lol:
 

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Actually if anyone is to blame for the way things are in the country today, it's not the average lunch bucket toting wage slave, but two rather affluent fellows by the names of Trudeau and Mulroney! :lol:

Nope. They could not get elected nor re-elected without the support of the people. Your generation sure loved your perks.
 

JLM

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Do we really have to go over the entire thread again?

Not on my behalf...................how many times do people like myself and Bear have to keep repeating the same stuff for you to get it through your head?

Nope. They could not get elected nor re-elected without the support of the people. Your generation sure loved your perks.

And you don't?
 

Niflmir

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Bob and weave :lol:

Actually if anyone is to blame for the way things are in the country today, it's not the average lunch bucket toting wage slave, but two rather affluent fellows by the names of Trudeau and Mulroney! :lol:

No, I don't agree with that, at least Mulroney. The GST was quite the cash cow for a while. From the numbers I saw, the reason our patrons on Parliament Hill are running a deficit is because they slashed it. Chretien was running a surplus for a good many years until the sponsorship scandal got the conservatives in power. Apparently hemorrhaging money is what the current Conservatives think a government should do.
 

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Nope. They could not get elected nor re-elected without the support of the people. Your generation sure loved your perks.

Every generation wanted more from the Govt - Trudeau to Mulrooney - all gave us a huge debt. Guess you never voted for a wining Govt during that period? Or did you?
 

Cannuck

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Every generation wanted more from the Govt - Trudeau to Mulrooney - all gave us a huge debt. Guess you never voted for a wining Govt during that period? Or did you?

No. I voted for Clark in the first election I was able to vote in. My only reason was that he wanted to balance the budget. After that, I couldn't in all consciousness vote in any election until Manning came along (I think I may have voted for an independent in one election). I would have voted Liberal to keep Chretien/Martin in power (when they were producing balanced budgets) if it would have made a difference but Monte Solberg was winning our riding by a country mile.

Not on my behalf...................how many times do people like myself and Bear have to keep repeating the same stuff for you to get it through your head?

All you seem to be repeating is that you think people are stupid. I'm sure we all get that.


And you don't?


perk definition



  1. n.
    an extra financial benefit; a monetary inducement or reward. (From perquisite. See also benies.) : I don't get paid much, but the perks are good.
What perk would you be referring to?
 

JLM

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No. I voted for Clark in the first election I was able to vote in. My only reason was that he wanted to balance the budget. After that, I couldn't in all consciousness vote in any election until Manning came along (I think I may have voted for an independent in one election). I would have voted Liberal to keep Chretien/Martin in power (when they were producing balanced budgets) if it would have made a difference but Monte Solberg was winning our riding by a country mile.



All you seem to be repeating is that you think people are stupid. I'm sure we all get that.





perk definition



  1. n.
    an extra financial benefit; a monetary inducement or reward. (From perquisite. See also benies.) : I don't get paid much, but the perks are good.
What perk would you be referring to?

I'd take a close look at those "balanced budgets"!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone can balance a budget when they transfer some of the bills for someone else to pay. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

Cannuck

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I'd take a close look at those "balanced budgets"!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone can balance a budget when they transfer some of the bills for someone else to pay.

Yes. Seniors can also claim they paid their fair share when they transfer some of the bills for someone else to pay. There seems to have been a lot of that going around with your generation.

What perks are you referring to?
 

Goober

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Yes. Seniors can also claim they paid their fair share when they transfer some of the bills for someone else to pay. There seems to have been a lot of that going around with your generation.

What perks are you referring to?

And of course no one in your family ever benefited from the Govt spending more than they had. Would that be correct? Of course it would not be correct - More than enough blame to go around.