Seniors don't want to give up money for younger gen: poll

Goober

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I've noticed by the amount of time he spends on the interwebs. :p

When you are your own boss you make the decisions. Regardless we should not get into a pissin match. Back to the OP.

One thing the younger generation has is more opportunity than say seniors did.1920's forwards - Education for one. Health care paid for, another. Not being farmed out during the depression to another family because the parent could not support them and they were working thier repective asses off on a farm at age 10 or 12. Not having gone to War.
Not know what Dirt Poor really is.

Just a few differences that shape people.
 

petros

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Of course.

Aren't you a farm worker though? :)
Workers work for somebody else. What is that like? It's been a while since I've had to answer to somebody else. And get your hands out of your ****ing pockets and take that ****ing toque off, this isn't a skate park.

Stealing time?

No, I make my time cards and then some.
Pick up a broom if you have time to kill.
 

mentalfloss

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Workers work for somebody else. What is that like? It's been a while since I've had to answer to somebody else. And get your hands out of your ****ing pockets and take that ****ing toque off, this isn't a skate park.

:lol:

Believe me, I work for a very good company that let's us balance our work with some play.

I like them so much that I've turned down a few opportunities for more moolah.

Like you said, it's not just about the green.
 

petros

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:lol:

Believe me, I work for a very good company that let's us balance our work with some play.

I like them so much that I've turned down a few opportunities for more moolah.

Like you said, it's not just about the green.
Yup. Men work and boys play.
 

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Most twenty somethings I know don't expect to have what their parents or grand parents have. You have to remember, their grandparents got what they have by artificially inflating their standard of living through government deficits and sticking the twenty-somethings with the bill.

Did your parents and grandparents have smartphones? Designer clothing? A lot of them seem to be doing it with their parents money. Maybe as my age widens from the 20 somethings I notice it more. But I don't remember all my friends having all the toys. We had a beater for a car which we bought with money from our summer or part time jobs.

And perhaps there are some who are working hard for their money who get hidden by these spoiled brats.

And most people I know regardless of their age don't control the government's deficit. There have been bad governments of each stripe over the years who have spent beyond their means. They are still doing it now. So those 20 somethings by your logic are guilty of the same sin as their grandparents.
 

BruSan

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sounds bad until you realized everything cost a quarter back then..


hey maybe you want to live in one of those socialist systems where profits aren't king... but here in our capitalist system time is money, less vacation for our workers the more we produce, the more our rich continue to get richer...
there are people who still get no more than 2 weeks vacation time (depending on the job of course)
much less to get stressed about back then
much less to get sick about back then :lol:
irrelevant, as women didn't even work ..
waaaaaaah

Yeah we had it easy all right with those short vacations IF you got one at all.
Nope ; no stress at all with Dad just getting back from 4 years overseas during WWII and getting the call for Korea from his old regiment.
I particualrly enjoyed those duck & cover drills in school. With new houses of the day being built with bomb shelters complete with hand operated air intake fans.
Yeah nothing to stress about over those little shenanigans like Poliomolytis or the Spanish Flue killing people and you're nuts if you think women didn't work.
You were indeed gifted if you could afford those luxuries like a fairly new home and a recent vintage used car on one salary.
My mom worked in factories from 1937 throughout the war years and on until she no longer had to when my brother and I left the nest.
I really am questioning your "utopian" interpretation of both economic and lifestyle reality of those days.

What planet did you grow up on you spoiled brat?
 
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Tonington

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I had a 20's something guy working for me. He wore a toque in summer and stood around with his hands in his pockets. I bought him mittens and handed him his ROE.

I went to landscape in Alberta during my summers and was doubling the output of the Albertan guy my age consistently. I was the only employee who didn't damage my bosses equipment, and at the end of the summer he gave me a gift certificate to help me purchase my books in the next school year. He was a great boss, and gave me all sorts of opportunities to show that I could do more.

Generalizations about generations is a fool's errand. Captain Morgan was right on the money about what the issue is, and the issue is sustainability of the system of entitlements. Our Sun Life rep for our group retirement plans told us last week in a lunch and learn meeting that someone my age should not count on OAS being there when I retire, OAS is just an unfunded entitlement anyways. For those closer to retirement, who are still a large block of the voting age Canadians, it's unlikely to be an issue. So people my age are, at least I am, planning on OAS being irrelevant to my calculations for 80% of pre-retirement income.

But my generation is now the first generation that has seen it's life expectancy drop compared to the last since these statistics have been collected. Student loan debts are higher than they've ever been. We're being told we may have to work even longer to reach retirement age to collect the money we're putting into the system, because of the demographic changes our parents have helped to make a reality. The ratio of dependent citizens to tax paying citizen will continue to grow. And of course the big boogeyman of the aging population with higher medical costs with increasing trends of dementia!

The backlash against the Conservatives announcing an end to the 6% per annum increases to provincial health transfers hopefully will start a debate about what can be done to address long term problems, before we end up like Greece.
 

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JLM...if you were lazy would your old man have kicked your ass until you did work like a man?

I don't know what can be done about inherantly lazy people, from being around enough of them I've found it to be an almost hopeless situation. If there is a job that requires a guy to sit and watch a light until it comes on and then push a button I guess that is where to put them. Even then there is a chance they could fall asleep. :lol:
 

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Most twenty somethings I know don't expect to have what their parents or grand parents have. You have to remember, their grandparents got what they have by artificially inflating their standard of living through government deficits and sticking the twenty-somethings with the bill.


What the hell are you talking about? They artificially inflated their standard of living, are you sitting behind some schools bookshelves somewhere during a free period? They are guilty of no more than you will be for signing onto whatever government of the day sells you a bill of goods you end up voting for.

They didn't run the economy then any more than you do (or think you do) now! give yourself a shake and stop seeking someone to blame for your terrible existance with your wide screen and 17" laptop. Boy you spoiled brats take the cake!
 

petros

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I went to landscape in Alberta during my summers and was doubling the output of the Albertan guy my age consistently. I was the only employee who didn't damage my bosses equipment, and at the end of the summer he gave me a gift certificate to help me purchase my books in the next school year. He was a great boss, and gave me all sorts of opportunities to show that I could do more.
You didn't stand around with your hands in your pockets and it paid off. Good for you.

I don't know what can be done about inherantly lazy people, from being around enough of them I've found it to be an almost hopeless situation. If there is a job that requires a guy to sit and watch a light until it comes on and then push a button I guess that is where to put them. Even then there is a chance they could fall asleep. :lol:
And if they did fall asleep the door they came in works in two directions.
 

gerryh

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This problem with some "kids" feeling that they are "entitled" some how is nothing new. Back in the early 80's I was a shop forman/manager and was responsible for hiring/firing, and raises. I actually had a kid tell me that he would produce more if he got a raise. I told him that he produces more now, shows me he can maintain that production and I'd give him a raise. He doesn't get a raise for empty promises. He just couldn't understand it.
 

BruSan

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I went to landscape in Alberta during my summers and was doubling the output of the Albertan guy my age consistently. I was the only employee who didn't damage my bosses equipment, and at the end of the summer he gave me a gift certificate to help me purchase my books in the next school year. He was a great boss, and gave me all sorts of opportunities to show that I could do more.

Generalizations about generations is a fool's errand. Captain Morgan was right on the money about what the issue is, and the issue is sustainability of the system of entitlements. Our Sun Life rep for our group retirement plans told us last week in a lunch and learn meeting that someone my age should not count on OAS being there when I retire, OAS is just an unfunded entitlement anyways. For those closer to retirement, who are still a large block of the voting age Canadians, it's unlikely to be an issue. So people my age are, at least I am, planning on OAS being irrelevant to my calculations for 80% of pre-retirement income.

But my generation is now the first generation that has seen it's life expectancy drop compared to the last since these statistics have been collected. Student loan debts are higher than they've ever been. We're being told we may have to work even longer to reach retirement age to collect the money we're putting into the system, because of the demographic changes our parents have helped to make a reality. The ratio of dependent citizens to tax paying citizen will continue to grow. And of course the big boogeyman of the aging population with higher medical costs with increasing trends of dementia!

The backlash against the Conservatives announcing an end to the 6% per annum increases to provincial health transfers hopefully will start a debate about what can be done to address long term problems, before we end up like Greece.

There ya go; a reasoned post by someone who get's it and is prepared to look beyond the blaming of the prior generation and actually thinking about how to fix what isn't working any more.

OAS became a redundant article in the 80's and should be completely removed from any thinking person's retirement calcualtion as; if you have enough pension to replace that 80% pre-retirement income (very optimistic by the way) you won't see a lick of it anyway through claw-back.

The percentage of income necessary to put aside to arrive at your 80% figure is now huge as the potential earnings on any investement of mixed 'secure to riskier' proprtions has degraded markedly from a few years ago. It's almost akin to winning the lottery but you can still arrive there if you absolutely dedicate a rigid portion of your income to an untouchable investment that gives moderate interest growth.

If it means foregoing the cel-plans that include texting crap as a basic would that be a deal breaker?
The 20 extra sports channels on the satellite; would that be a deal breaker?
Leasing the stupid car when you don't have a business to write the payments off with just so you can drive cars like your friends are driving; would that be a deal breaker?
Checking the classifieds for a pair of good shape washer/dryer instead of just driving to Home Depot and using the Visa card; deal breaker or?
Foregoing the time share purchase as the single biggest vacation boondoggle out there; deal breaker again?
The list is endless but you sign onto a lifestyle tyhat is at least responsible if not totally frugal and you'll surprise the hell out of yourself at how the money begins to compound.
It's all about choices!
 

JLM

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What the hell are you talking about? They artificially inflated their standard of living, are you sitting behind some schools bookshelves somewhere during a free period? They are guilty of no more than you will be for signing onto whatever government of the day sells you a bill of goods you end up voting for.

They didn't run the economy then any more than you do (or think you do) now! give yourself a shake and stop seeking someone to blame for your terrible existance with your wide screen and 17" laptop. Boy you spoiled brats take the cake!

You may as well get used to Cannuck- you'll see a lot of him, if you like entertainment he can provide that, if you want quiet just ignore him, one benefit of him is you can always get to the truth through him, just take the exact opposite of whatever he says! :lol:
 

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Yeah we had it easy all right with those short vacations IF you got one at all.
Nope ; no stress at all with Dad just getting back from 4 years overseas during WWII and getting the call for Korea from his old regiment.
I particualrly enjoyed those duck & cover drills in school. With new houses of the day being built with bomb shelters complete with hand operated air intake fans.
Yeah nothing to stress about over those little shenanigans like Poliomolytis or the Spanish Flue killing people and you're nuts if you think women didn't work.
You were indeed gifted if you could afford those luxuries like a fairly new home and a recent vintage used car on one salary.
My mom worked in factories from 1937 throughout the war years and on until she no longer had to when my brother and I left the nest.
I really am questioning your "utopian" interpretation of both economic and lifestyle reality of those days.

What planet did you grow up on you spoiled brat?
... delusional would be an understatement. :lol:
POLIO? How about cancer? Cancer did exist during that era of course but wasn't ravaging the human populace like it does today.
WWII? At least that was a war of some meaning... what the **** is this war with Afghanistan, Iraq bull****?
After WWII the economy was at its most prosperous state ever. How's how economy doing today in comparison?
The Spanish Flu? How far are we going back now? 1918 I doubt you were even born then! Good point though we don't have flu pandemics anymore..
2009 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
oh yeah...
Sure women worked but they weren't nearly as numerous as today. ..

Yeah it wasn't an easy life back then, it's not an easy life now either though so don't act like it is. How does the levels of depression and suicide today compare to the 40s & 50s?
That says it all.