Senate Report- Ship Oil East -A No Brainer.

[Goober]

Senate Report- Ship Oil East -A No Brainer.
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Senate energy committee backs sending western oil east - The Globe and Mail

The Senate’s Conservative-led energy committee is throwing its support behind efforts to ship western oil east to be refined in Ontario and Quebec.

Acknowledging Canada has so far failed to secure public support for shipping oil sands oil south to the United States and a new pipeline to the Pacific remains controversial, the committee’s Conservative chair David Angus says looking east is a “no brainer.”

The outgoing Quebec Senator said it doesn’t make sense for eastern provinces to be importing oil from countries like Algeria and Venezuela when there is excess supply in the west.

“It’s pretty crazy when you have such bountiful supplies of your own,” he said, embracing the argument that Canadian oil is more “ethical” than imported oil. “Why would we have all these ships coming in from Nigeria into the St. Lawrence river with crude oil when we’ve got so much of it in other places of the country?”

The endorsement of shipping western oil east is part of a 68-page report of the Senate committee on energy, the environment and natural resources released Thursday. The report was adopted unanimously by the committee’s seven Conservative members and five Liberals. There are no New Democrats in the Senate.

Earlier this year, Enbridge Inc. announced a $2.6-billion plan to reverse the flow of a key pipeline in order to bring western oil to refineries in Sarnia and Montreal.

 

[B00Mer]

Yeah really, Irving Oil still brings in their oil from overseas.. build a pipeline to New Brunswick. I am sure there are plenty of refineries along the way that could use Canadian oil, vs importing it.

It amazes me that we ship oil south from the west, yet back east they import oil from the south.. we need more east west trade and unification.

 

[skookumchuck]

My how things change. Eastern and central Canada thumbed their noses at Alberta oil years ago, saying that oil from Venezuela was cheaper. It's all about unity now though, no politics or money involved.
No opposition from the greenies regarding tanker shipments, odd that.

 

[Goober]

My how things change. Eastern and central Canada thumbed their noses at Alberta oil years ago, saying that oil from Venezuela was cheaper. It's all about unity now though, no politics or money involved.
No opposition from the greenies regarding tanker shipments, odd that.

Are the refineries in Eastern Canada suited to process the bitumen- Or do they need to either have it upgraded here ( Western Canada) or build upgraders there.

From what I understand the refineries in the US that handle bitumen spent a ton of dollars for upgrades to their facilities.

 

[petros]

My how things change. Eastern and central Canada thumbed their noses at Alberta oil years ago, saying that oil from Venezuela was cheaper. It's all about unity now though, no politics or money involved.
No opposition from the greenies regarding tanker shipments, odd that.

Apparently Orinoco heavy crude is Rainforest Alliance approved Krom Kenora eastward?

 

[Goober]

Apparently Orinoco heavy crude is Rainforest Alliance approved Krom Kenora eastward?

The do flock together now don't they. Still hard to fly with just a left wing.

 

[TenPenny]

My how things change. Eastern and central Canada thumbed their noses at Alberta oil years ago, saying that oil from Venezuela was cheaper. It's all about unity now though, no politics or money involved.
No opposition from the greenies regarding tanker shipments, odd that.

Irving never thumbed its nose at Alberta crude, it wasn't available here.

The Irving refinery was the first in North America to have a deepwater supertanker unloading facility
It was the first in Canada to refine crude from offshore Newfoundland.
It was the first in North America to produce ultra low-sulfur gasoline, at a time when all the other refineries were claiming it was uneconomic. They shipped railcars of unleaded gasoline from NB to CALIFORNIA, that's how 'uneconomic' it was.

They are shipping crude from North Dakota to the refinery by railcar now, they're building a new railcar unloading facility as I write this.

And for you people who haven't heard of it, this single refinery is responsible for 64% of Canada's petroleum products exports to the US. Boston and NYC would hurt without it.

 

[skookumchuck]

I am aware of and onboard with Irving oil. A damned good company.

 

[WLDB]

Sounds better than shipping it to the states.

 

[Goober]

Sounds better than shipping it to the states.

Well it will make for a stronger dollar- less imports.

Read the link.

We will see how independent it really is. I hope it is and cuts thru the BS from both side- Oil and hard line Eco types.
What Canadians want are facts- not promises- not BS- Facts and risk assessments-

Enbridge should sign a similar but not so stringent contract that the ship builders signed- they can lose their company under certain circumstances.

Alberta announces independent review of pipeline integrity in wake of spills, increased scrutiny | Canadian Politics | Canada | News | National Post

CALGARY — As political support for major pipeline projects wanes in the face of recent oil spills and damning reports, both the Alberta government and the oil industry made moves to quell fears about safety Friday.

Alberta-based Enbridge said it would spend $500-million to redesign the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline system in response to environmental and aboriginal groups’ concerns. The announcement came the same day the Alberta government said it would launch an independent review of pipeline integrity and spill management, a process expected to take months.

“The scrutiny is at a level we have never seen before, and I welcome that scrutiny,” said Alberta’s energy minister, Ken Hughes.

 

[taxslave]

Apparently Orinoco heavy crude is Rainforest Alliance approved Krom Kenora eastward?

So then it must be good. Funny how the greens approve a pipeline East but not West.

The do flock together now don't they. Still hard to fly with just a left wing.

Not when you like to fly in circles.

 

[Ron in Regina]

......Acknowledging Canada has so far failed to secure public support for shipping oil sands oil south to the United States and a new pipeline to the Pacific remains controversial, the committee’s Conservative chair David Angus says looking east is a “no brainer.”

The outgoing Quebec Senator said it doesn’t make sense for eastern provinces to be importing oil from countries like Algeria and Venezuela when there is excess supply in the west.

“It’s pretty crazy when you have such bountiful supplies of your own,” he said, embracing the argument that Canadian oil is more “ethical” than imported oil. “Why would we have all these ships coming in from Nigeria into the St. Lawrence river with crude oil when we’ve got so much of it in other places of the country?”......

Huh....there's an excess of oil supply in the west? Since when? What oil isn't
spoken for and just sitting waiting for someone to buy it in some holding facility
someplace west of wherever?

Isn't there a clause in NAFTA (that Canada agreed to in the Canada/US portion
where as Mexico said "thanks but No thanks" to in the Mexican/US portion) that
states that Canada can't reduce is shipments (proportionally) to the USA without
reducing (proportionally) its own use domestically? With the USA being Canada's
largest customer with oil, doesn't that sort'a negate the whole "excess supply"
concept unless/until the USA decides it doesn't want/need Canadian oil any longer?