I might be lighting a fire strom here but what the heck...
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cspan_airing_conference_shows_mainstreaming.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cspan_airing_conference_shows_mainstreaming.htm
Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
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SPARE ME for God's sake.
The Twin Towers were knocked after there structures were fatally weakened by the impact of jets flown into them by terrorists, and the heat of the resulting explosions and fires.
Osama bin Laden publically claimed responsibility.
I have no problem with people questioning that idea, but I absolutely refuse to take them seriously. I have read the links, and the stuff they put forth as some kind of proof is in no way convincing.
The idea that some rogue element within the US government imploded the buildings with explosives is idiocy.
Just take a few moments and pretend the Conventional Wisdon IS that some nefarious plot existed within the US gov't to cause 9/11. Now let's debunk that........
1. How many tons of explosives would have to be smuggled into the towers and other buildings to blow them up? How could this be done WITHOUT ANYONE noticing?
2. If it requires a large amount of explosive, easy unquestioned access, and expertise to blow the buildings, the job would have been labour intensive. A widespread conspiracy would be necessary..........the bigger the conspiracy the harder to keep it all under wraps...........why have we not heard about this conspiracy? How have they managed to keep everyone quiet?
3. Where did they find the idiots..........inspired, remember, only by politics, to hijack the planes and fly them into the towers? I submit that without religious fanatacism and the promise of virgins in the next life, it would be difficult to find volunteers to do this suicide mission.
4. Gee, the guys now accused of hijacking the planes are innocent. How did they get Muslim extremeists on the planes?
5. How did the subsequent investigators miss the REAL hijackers in their investigation? Or was that ALSO part of the conspiracy. If so, your dozens of conspirators just lept to hundreds of conspirators. How DID they keep it quiet?
The entire idea that 9/11 was an act of the Mossad, a plot by rogue elements of the US gov't or anything but an attack by the lunatic minions of Osama bin Laden is not only ridiculous, it is irresponsible.
Casting seeds of doubt on the motives of your government when it is at war is free speech ONLY if you believe it to be true. If your agenda is to put forth lies to undermine the war effort, that is sedition.
IMHO, the conspiracy theorists of 9/11 are either idiots or traitors, one of the two.
The Twin Towers were knocked after there structures were fatally weakened by the impact of jets flown into them by terrorists, and the heat of the resulting explosions and fires.
Osama bin Laden publically claimed responsibility.
I have no problem with people questioning that idea, but I absolutely refuse to take them seriously. I have read the links, and the stuff they put forth as some kind of proof is in no way convincing.
The idea that some rogue element within the US government imploded the buildings with explosives is idiocy.
Just take a few moments and pretend the Conventional Wisdon IS that some nefarious plot existed within the US gov't to cause 9/11. Now let's debunk that........
1. How many tons of explosives would have to be smuggled into the towers and other buildings to blow them up? How could this be done WITHOUT ANYONE noticing?
2. If it requires a large amount of explosive, easy unquestioned access, and expertise to blow the buildings, the job would have been labour intensive. A widespread conspiracy would be necessary..........the bigger the conspiracy the harder to keep it all under wraps...........why have we not heard about this conspiracy? How have they managed to keep everyone quiet?
3. Where did they find the idiots..........inspired, remember, only by politics, to hijack the planes and fly them into the towers? I submit that without religious fanatacism and the promise of virgins in the next life, it would be difficult to find volunteers to do this suicide mission.
4. Gee, the guys now accused of hijacking the planes are innocent. How did they get Muslim extremeists on the planes?
5. How did the subsequent investigators miss the REAL hijackers in their investigation? Or was that ALSO part of the conspiracy. If so, your dozens of conspirators just lept to hundreds of conspirators. How DID they keep it quiet?
The entire idea that 9/11 was an act of the Mossad, a plot by rogue elements of the US gov't or anything but an attack by the lunatic minions of Osama bin Laden is not only ridiculous, it is irresponsible.
Casting seeds of doubt on the motives of your government when it is at war is free speech ONLY if you believe it to be true. If your agenda is to put forth lies to undermine the war effort, that is sedition.
IMHO, the conspiracy theorists of 9/11 are either idiots or traitors, one of the two.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
IMHO you are as usual mistaken and won't be spared anything. Isn't there some kind of shit you could take to get your IQ above pond scum. How you doing Colpy? Hope your summers going nicely. :lol:
Colpy said:
IMHO you are as usual mistaken and won't be spared anything. Isn't there some kind of shit you could take to get your IQ above pond scum. How you doing Colpy? Hope your summers going nicely. :lol:
Policy of this board be damned. Anyone believes this abject nonsense is an utter and complete mentally deficient nutjob.
At some point an idea becomes so insane, you have to question the sanity of those harbor it.
We are talking about 51 cards short of a full deck here.
Obviously self inflicted
They pulled a battleship maine again.
And they didnt think we would notice--the cheek!
They pulled a battleship maine again.
And they didnt think we would notice--the cheek!
Don't forget I only posted a link. And the title of the thread does have question marks. I don't think there's anything wrong about questioning commonly accepted 'truths'.
Of course, in all probabilty, 9/11 is most likely an act of Osama bin Laden and his terrorists. But I refuse to blindly swallow everything they'll try to shove in my mouth. Just look at the lies about WMDs before the Irak war...
I'll leave it at that. There's nothing wrong with keeping a healthy little dose of skeptism, especially in today's twisted world.
Of course, in all probabilty, 9/11 is most likely an act of Osama bin Laden and his terrorists. But I refuse to blindly swallow everything they'll try to shove in my mouth. Just look at the lies about WMDs before the Irak war...
I'll leave it at that. There's nothing wrong with keeping a healthy little dose of skeptism, especially in today's twisted world.
Ever hear of Occam's razor?
At some point you have to see that the mental gymnastics involved in making the US or mossad responsible are just not practical.
Either of these countries could kill more people directly on legitimate military targets and do away with the risk of total revolt by their citizenery.
At some point you have to see that the mental gymnastics involved in making the US or mossad responsible are just not practical.
Either of these countries could kill more people directly on legitimate military targets and do away with the risk of total revolt by their citizenery.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
The point is with the WMDs think is they weren't lies, they were mistakes.
Iraq had developed WMD. Iraq used WMDs on its own Kurdish population. The actions of Saddam (stupid) with UN inspectors would lead everyone to believe there were WMD. No country argued against the war because there were no WMDs, because EVERYONE, pro or anti-invasion (except the UN) believed there were WMDs. AND I'm not convinced that they aren't in Syria. I wish the Yanks would send a couple of hundred thousand GIs to Damascus to look.
s_lone said:
The point is with the WMDs think is they weren't lies, they were mistakes.
Iraq had developed WMD. Iraq used WMDs on its own Kurdish population. The actions of Saddam (stupid) with UN inspectors would lead everyone to believe there were WMD. No country argued against the war because there were no WMDs, because EVERYONE, pro or anti-invasion (except the UN) believed there were WMDs. AND I'm not convinced that they aren't in Syria. I wish the Yanks would send a couple of hundred thousand GIs to Damascus to look.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Why would Saddam ship all of his American-made WMD's to Syria? That's like me buying a gun for self-defence or robbery and before I am ready to use it, give it to my cousin. That's just retard-logic. Using supposed WMD's against the States when they were invading Iraq would have been justified in Saddam's eyes. Don't you think that was the opportune time for him to use them? Probaby not, considering they were all expired and depleted by then. Just ask Scott Ritter who was there.
Colpy said:s_lone said:
The point is with the WMDs think is they weren't lies, they were mistakes.
Iraq had developed WMD. Iraq used WMDs on its own Kurdish population. The actions of Saddam (stupid) with UN inspectors would lead everyone to believe there were WMD. No country argued against the war because there were no WMDs, because EVERYONE, pro or anti-invasion (except the UN) believed there were WMDs. AND I'm not convinced that they aren't in Syria. I wish the Yanks would send a couple of hundred thousand GIs to Damascus to look.
Why would Saddam ship all of his American-made WMD's to Syria? That's like me buying a gun for self-defence or robbery and before I am ready to use it, give it to my cousin. That's just retard-logic. Using supposed WMD's against the States when they were invading Iraq would have been justified in Saddam's eyes. Don't you think that was the opportune time for him to use them? Probaby not, considering they were all expired and depleted by then. Just ask Scott Ritter who was there.
We should have the used the same people who destroyed pearl harbor and got the japanese blamed for it. Those were real professionals there...
"turns sarcasm off"
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Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
The same retarded logic that caused him to decide to fly his MiGS to Iran the first time around. Safe keeping. He didn't believe he would be ousted. All kinds of possible reasons.
Caleb-Dain Matton said:
The same retarded logic that caused him to decide to fly his MiGS to Iran the first time around. Safe keeping. He didn't believe he would be ousted. All kinds of possible reasons.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Firast of all, you should pull your head out of the anti-USA propaganda pamphlets. If you look at the facts, the USA sold Saddam a very few million dollars worth of spare parts when Saddam was at war with the then arch-enemy, Iran. China, Germany and France sold Saddam BILLIONS of dollars of arms, Germany especially sold them chemical warfare components.
Get your facts straight.
I don't know there are WMDs shipped to Syria, and it would seem strange that Saddam would rid himself of them just before a war...........except that loosing chemicals on troops in the desert would have done them little damage, and the USA MIGHT have responded with tactical nukes.
You should read Scott Ridder's account of the children's prison in Baghdad, where kids from as young as two to about 12, children of suspected dissidents, were kept without food or water, so they would be handy for the interogaters to cut up in front of their parents. That's right. Dismemberment of children in front of their parents was a favourite technique.
That is who you are supporting.
Caleb-Dain Matton said:Colpy said:s_lone said:
The point is with the WMDs think is they weren't lies, they were mistakes.
Iraq had developed WMD. Iraq used WMDs on its own Kurdish population. The actions of Saddam (stupid) with UN inspectors would lead everyone to believe there were WMD. No country argued against the war because there were no WMDs, because EVERYONE, pro or anti-invasion (except the UN) believed there were WMDs. AND I'm not convinced that they aren't in Syria. I wish the Yanks would send a couple of hundred thousand GIs to Damascus to look.
Why would Saddam ship all of his American-made WMD's to Syria? That's like me buying a gun for self-defence or robbery and before I am ready to use it, give it to my cousin. That's just retard-logic. Using supposed WMD's against the States when they were invading Iraq would have been justified in Saddam's eyes. Don't you think that was the opportune time for him to use them? Probaby not, considering they were all expired and depleted by then. Just ask Scott Ritter who was there.
Firast of all, you should pull your head out of the anti-USA propaganda pamphlets. If you look at the facts, the USA sold Saddam a very few million dollars worth of spare parts when Saddam was at war with the then arch-enemy, Iran. China, Germany and France sold Saddam BILLIONS of dollars of arms, Germany especially sold them chemical warfare components.
Get your facts straight.
I don't know there are WMDs shipped to Syria, and it would seem strange that Saddam would rid himself of them just before a war...........except that loosing chemicals on troops in the desert would have done them little damage, and the USA MIGHT have responded with tactical nukes.
You should read Scott Ridder's account of the children's prison in Baghdad, where kids from as young as two to about 12, children of suspected dissidents, were kept without food or water, so they would be handy for the interogaters to cut up in front of their parents. That's right. Dismemberment of children in front of their parents was a favourite technique.
That is who you are supporting.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
It doesn't matter who sold weapons to Iraq. The point of referring to U.S. weaponry-aid is valid because they were the ones so gung ho on attacking Iraq. The United States of Hypocrisy changes friends into enmies too often.
I don't support Saddam. I support the insurgents (fathers, husbands, simple shopkeepers) who have been violated by the scummy U.S. When a U.S. soldier dies, I almost feel like performing cartwheels. Thay are a bunch of frickin' baby killers!
Colpy said:
It doesn't matter who sold weapons to Iraq. The point of referring to U.S. weaponry-aid is valid because they were the ones so gung ho on attacking Iraq. The United States of Hypocrisy changes friends into enmies too often.
I don't support Saddam. I support the insurgents (fathers, husbands, simple shopkeepers) who have been violated by the scummy U.S. When a U.S. soldier dies, I almost feel like performing cartwheels. Thay are a bunch of frickin' baby killers!
They are not insurgents,they are cold-blooded killers. They target innocent people ,fathers,children,mothers, to destabilize the country. Then simple people take that fact and blame the U.S.
O.K. back on topic.If the U.S. gov. is so evil that they would kill thousands of thier own citizens,why are these people who believe this not running for the borders ,clutching thier passports and atm cards? Why was Micheal moore not taken out before he made his film? Why are these conspiracy theorists allowed to live?
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That's your opinion. I see the U.S. soldiers as cold-blooded killers.
wallyj said:
That's your opinion. I see the U.S. soldiers as cold-blooded killers.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
I'm of French origin from Ontario. I am a student at the University of Western Ontario. I am proud to be anti-US and anti-Israel. That is my right. I have read countless books from history to politics to religion. I have heard both sides of everything. Finally, I am greatly pleased that you are grief-strickened to find a caucasion with adverse views to your own. Kind of makes you think, that not everyone thinks like you, doesn't it? Funny how you just automatically assume that everyone is presupposed to like America -- you're not that naive are you?
Graeme said:
I'm of French origin from Ontario. I am a student at the University of Western Ontario. I am proud to be anti-US and anti-Israel. That is my right. I have read countless books from history to politics to religion. I have heard both sides of everything. Finally, I am greatly pleased that you are grief-strickened to find a caucasion with adverse views to your own. Kind of makes you think, that not everyone thinks like you, doesn't it? Funny how you just automatically assume that everyone is presupposed to like America -- you're not that naive are you?
You have heard both sides of everything.Wow, you are so smart,and modest. I bet you wear a cape when you go out amongst the proletarians.