Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
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Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Like I said, the purpose of 1441 was to give Iraq the chance to PROVE complience of the cease fire agreement, as outlined in 687, in 1991 - they acknowledge that he, up to that point had not met his end of the agreement. That is, fire would cease if and only if requirements of the agreement were met. 1441 specifically states that "1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);
2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;'
Continued here: http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
1441 states that he WAS in violation of more resolutions than 687 AND affords Iraq another chance to PROVE he had disposed of all CBWMD and production facilities.
Logic 7 said:
Like I said, the purpose of 1441 was to give Iraq the chance to PROVE complience of the cease fire agreement, as outlined in 687, in 1991 - they acknowledge that he, up to that point had not met his end of the agreement. That is, fire would cease if and only if requirements of the agreement were met. 1441 specifically states that "1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);
2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;'
Continued here: http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
1441 states that he WAS in violation of more resolutions than 687 AND affords Iraq another chance to PROVE he had disposed of all CBWMD and production facilities.
Freethinker said:
Aeon does not have the English language skills to engage in the subterfuge suggested in this post. That should be obvious to anyone of reasonable intelligence who has read his posts.
Aeon lives in Montreal--where I have just spent the last month—and his views on Zionism would find a high level of support there even among ultra Orthodox Jews. Also 42% of Americans do not believe that the government has been forthcoming about what really happened on 9/11.
I have disagreed with Aeon about his views on most things. But he is not the anomaly being depicted here.
For what it’s worth my wife is also Jewish and is appalled at the Israeli attack on Lebanon and the loss of innocent life. I am as well. But we do support Israeli’s right to exist and defend itself. We do not support the policy decisions that have led to this recent action in Lebanon. If you cannot grasp that one can support a country yet disagree with decisions by political entities within that country then you have a long way to go in your political education.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
I've done my research. While many of their "philosophies" can seriously be questioned, I fail to see any connection between 9/11 and PNAC. Grasping for straws is a very weak argument.
That's good because you're doing a lousy job of trying to convince anybody. What you have to be is open to common sense and reason, if you in fact have worked for a demolition company you will understand the enormity of what you are suggesting. It would take thousands of man hours to rig the WTC with explosives, are you saying nobody ever noticed?
Logic 7 said:
I've done my research. While many of their "philosophies" can seriously be questioned, I fail to see any connection between 9/11 and PNAC. Grasping for straws is a very weak argument.
Logic 7 said:
That's good because you're doing a lousy job of trying to convince anybody. What you have to be is open to common sense and reason, if you in fact have worked for a demolition company you will understand the enormity of what you are suggesting. It would take thousands of man hours to rig the WTC with explosives, are you saying nobody ever noticed?
RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ?
What, the language in the PNAC document (the name of the particular one escapes me right now) about requiring a "new pearl harbour" ro justify the kinds of actions required to guarantee continued superiority on the world stage is not clear enough to see that the 9/11 attacks are very much like what was on the PNAC wish list since the late 90's??
I don't see how that is so ridiculous....
What, the language in the PNAC document (the name of the particular one escapes me right now) about requiring a "new pearl harbour" ro justify the kinds of actions required to guarantee continued superiority on the world stage is not clear enough to see that the 9/11 attacks are very much like what was on the PNAC wish list since the late 90's??
I don't see how that is so ridiculous....
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Might I suggest that we don't have very many incidents of planes flying into skyscrapers from which to draw data concerning their destruction, and don't forget that little explosion back in the 90s that may have helped.
I think not said:
Might I suggest that we don't have very many incidents of planes flying into skyscrapers from which to draw data concerning their destruction, and don't forget that little explosion back in the 90s that may have helped.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ?
This is the one line of text you are referring to out of a 300 page document:
"Absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor"
What is ridiculous is that everything is based on assumptions from one line.
mabudon said:
This is the one line of text you are referring to out of a 300 page document:
"Absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor"
What is ridiculous is that everything is based on assumptions from one line.
RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ?
see, I'm usually a bit "irritating" in my views of the US, BUT I'll say this, there's no way this was set up, it's insulting to say it is.
It's actually disgraceful and in very poor taste to suggest it, how about the poor people that died?, I'll never get out of my head the poor people falling to their deaths from the towers, not even the most satanic country would allow for it's own citizens to have this happen to them.
see, I'm usually a bit "irritating" in my views of the US, BUT I'll say this, there's no way this was set up, it's insulting to say it is.
It's actually disgraceful and in very poor taste to suggest it, how about the poor people that died?, I'll never get out of my head the poor people falling to their deaths from the towers, not even the most satanic country would allow for it's own citizens to have this happen to them.
I don't think you realize Daz the degree of hatred certain people have, because it is only hatred that can guide such rationale.
I have read posts by members of this board and others that the 7/7 London bombings were a plot by the UK government because Bush's approval ratings were going down in the US.
Make sense of that one.
I have read posts by members of this board and others that the 7/7 London bombings were a plot by the UK government because Bush's approval ratings were going down in the US.
Make sense of that one.
RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ?
see you knew that would hit a cord with me, Tony Blair had no reason to boost his ratings, he had no competition in government.
I remember when my brother phoned me to say that he'd just been led out of his subway train in the pitch black, and then getting the phone call from my friend's little brother asking me to phone his brother and then phone mine to look for him.
Of course one could say the systems were open to attack, but there was no way to totally gaurd against it, WTC was gaurded against planes hitting it, it wouldnt have fallen but for the fuel...we know this, we also know how old the london underground is, and the fact that it couldnt be 100% safe.
And as for the Bush approval ratings bit, if that were true, I'm sure as hell they wo0uld have placed him somewhere more appropriate than sitting on a stool trying to read a pre-school book.
it's all nonsense, it really is.
see you knew that would hit a cord with me, Tony Blair had no reason to boost his ratings, he had no competition in government.
I remember when my brother phoned me to say that he'd just been led out of his subway train in the pitch black, and then getting the phone call from my friend's little brother asking me to phone his brother and then phone mine to look for him.
Of course one could say the systems were open to attack, but there was no way to totally gaurd against it, WTC was gaurded against planes hitting it, it wouldnt have fallen but for the fuel...we know this, we also know how old the london underground is, and the fact that it couldnt be 100% safe.
And as for the Bush approval ratings bit, if that were true, I'm sure as hell they wo0uld have placed him somewhere more appropriate than sitting on a stool trying to read a pre-school book.
it's all nonsense, it really is.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Maybe you should look deeper in PNAC, read it all, don't be lazy by reading few lines , do it.
Wtc didnt need thousand of man and hours to rig the wtc with explosives, just good leadership.
I am not here to prove anything at all, i honestly don't really care what happened on 9-11, but from my experience, it is clear those buildings were brought down with explosives, and tons of evidences support it.
I think not said:
Maybe you should look deeper in PNAC, read it all, don't be lazy by reading few lines , do it.
Wtc didnt need thousand of man and hours to rig the wtc with explosives, just good leadership.
I am not here to prove anything at all, i honestly don't really care what happened on 9-11, but from my experience, it is clear those buildings were brought down with explosives, and tons of evidences support it.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
I have read the infamous PNAC document, once again nothing in there ties 9/11 to the US government. Perhaps you care to elaborate.
Good leadership cannot run thousands of feet of wiring and install explosives where they should be. It requires thousands of man hours, removing walls, ceilings, stringing wire, drilling, marking, taping, transporting explosives through an occupied building. Stop the bullshit and present something solid.
For someone that doesn't care what happened on 9/11 you seem rather fixated on the subject. Show everybody the tons of evidence you claim exists.
Logic 7 said:
I have read the infamous PNAC document, once again nothing in there ties 9/11 to the US government. Perhaps you care to elaborate.
Logic 7 said:
Good leadership cannot run thousands of feet of wiring and install explosives where they should be. It requires thousands of man hours, removing walls, ceilings, stringing wire, drilling, marking, taping, transporting explosives through an occupied building. Stop the bullshit and present something solid.
Logic 7 said:
For someone that doesn't care what happened on 9/11 you seem rather fixated on the subject. Show everybody the tons of evidence you claim exists.
RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ?
Now Logic.....where is the *ahem* logic behind that?.....Not even the worst of crazies would allow their own people to be killed like that.
Now Logic.....where is the *ahem* logic behind that?.....Not even the worst of crazies would allow their own people to be killed like that.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
It doesn't matter who sold weapons to Iraq. The point of referring to U.S. weaponry-aid is valid because they were the ones so gung ho on attacking Iraq. The United States of Hypocrisy changes friends into enmies too often.
I don't support Saddam. I support the insurgents (fathers, husbands, simple shopkeepers) who have been violated by the scummy U.S. When a U.S. soldier dies, I almost feel like performing cartwheels. Thay are a bunch of frickin' baby killers!
Cartwheels? You are one sorry excuse for a human being. Do you think the servicemen in any countries military have any control over what their Country's poilcies are? You rank right up there with great humans like Fred Phelps and his ilk... http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html , here click that link and join up. Luckily, you're just another grain of sand on the "I hate the Jewnited States" beach and are beneath contempt or notice for that matter.
It doesn't matter who sold weapons to Iraq. The point of referring to U.S. weaponry-aid is valid because they were the ones so gung ho on attacking Iraq. The United States of Hypocrisy changes friends into enmies too often.
I don't support Saddam. I support the insurgents (fathers, husbands, simple shopkeepers) who have been violated by the scummy U.S. When a U.S. soldier dies, I almost feel like performing cartwheels. Thay are a bunch of frickin' baby killers!
Cartwheels? You are one sorry excuse for a human being. Do you think the servicemen in any countries military have any control over what their Country's poilcies are? You rank right up there with great humans like Fred Phelps and his ilk... http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html , here click that link and join up. Luckily, you're just another grain of sand on the "I hate the Jewnited States" beach and are beneath contempt or notice for that matter.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
If you have read PNAC document, and havent notice something wrong, then i can't do anything for you.
Yes it can, days before 9-11, there was deliberate power down in the buildings, so with good leadership like i said before,and huge financial support, everything could be done in days.
I think not said:
If you have read PNAC document, and havent notice something wrong, then i can't do anything for you.
Yes it can, days before 9-11, there was deliberate power down in the buildings, so with good leadership like i said before,and huge financial support, everything could be done in days.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
Glad to hear it, let's leave it at that.
As they say at Oscar Mayer, Baloney! If the towers were intentionally shut down for even one hour there would be news about it. Now show me proof (other than an email circulating the internet from a moonbat) the towers were intentionally shut down.
Logic 7 said:
Glad to hear it, let's leave it at that.
Logic 7 said:
As they say at Oscar Mayer, Baloney! If the towers were intentionally shut down for even one hour there would be news about it. Now show me proof (other than an email circulating the internet from a moonbat) the towers were intentionally shut down.
Re: RE: Self-inflicted 9/11 ???
If you really think major media will talk about it, then it is clear you just don't get it, big time.
Evidences.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
I think not said:
If you really think major media will talk about it, then it is clear you just don't get it, big time.
Evidences.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
