Security Council accepts No Fly Zone

[EagleSmack]

I got online and starting writing... on forums like this and letters to the editor of most major Canadian newspapers...

So do you think you should critisize your own country's inaction before blaming the US?

 

[earth_as_one]

Bull crap.... we have the fattest, well fed, well dressed poor people in the world. If anyone is going hungry it is because instead of using their Welfare money for food they run scams for lottery tickets and booze. They blow their cash on smokes, booze, and drugs and whine that they don't have enough to eat.

That's what upper and middle class Americans tell themselves when they demand tax cuts, so they don't have to think about the millions of children who go to bed hungry each night. I've traveled the US and I know your country has rampant poverty. I've seen it. Its not as bad as Mexico or the Dominican Republic, but its there and one of these days the problem will reach the point where it bites. Its the reason why muggings and robberies are far more common in the US than in Canada

BTW, I've also seen poverty here in Canada too. Our social system is stronger here and the poor aren't as desperate as their American counterparts, but its still embarrassingly high.

So do you think you should critisize your own country's inaction before blaming the US?

Canada didn't join the coalition of the bribed and coerced against the Iraqi people.

Regarding Canada's inaction, I suggest you watch "Hotel Rwanda" or read the book "Shake Hands with the Devil".

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When Lt.-Gen. Roméo Dallaire received the call to serve as force commander of the UN intervention in Rwanda in 1993, he thought he was heading off on a modest and straightforward peacekeeping mission. Thirteen months later he flew home from Africa, broken, disillusioned and suicidal, having witnessed the slaughter of 800,000 Rwandans in only a hundred days. In Shake Hands with the Devil, he takes the reader with him on a return voyage into the hell of Rwanda, vividly recreating the events the international community turned its back on. This book is an unsparing eyewitness account of the failure by humanity to stop the genocide, despite timely warnings

READ Magazine - Shake Hands with the Devil

The level of effort the US put into seizing control of Iraq's oil wealth probably could have solved every human rights problem in the world.
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[gopher]

''Rachel Corrie recklessly threw her life away in vain. No accolades from anyone can diminish her parents' heartbreak.''

She was murdered. As it says in the Bible, 'a life for a life'.

BTW, as with so many other issues, this was discussed a long time ago before you came on this forum and numerous pictures from the crime scene have been presented.

 

[EagleSmack]

That's what upper and middle class Americans tell themselves when they demand tax cuts, so they don't have to think about the millions of children who go to bed hungry each night. I've traveled the US and I know your country has rampant poverty. I've seen it. Its not as bad as Mexico or the Dominican Republic, but its there and one of these days the problem will reach the point where it bites. Its the reason why muggings and robberies are far more common in the US than in Canada

BTW, I've also seen poverty here in Canada too. Our social system is stronger here and the poor aren't as desperate as their American counterparts, but its still embarrassingly high.

No... that is what is real. Ever see a Welfare Line? The fattest lot of people you've ever seen. Our poor are given plenty of money and food and ways to get it. If they want to go around blowing their free cash on booze... oh well... they go hungry. If they want to trade food stamps for cash... oh well... they go hungry.

Drugs, booze, crime, and people acting irresponsibly causes squalor.

Canada didn't join the coalition of the bribed and coerced against the Iraqi people.

Regarding Canada's inaction, I suggest you watch "Hotel Rwanda" or read the book "Shake Hands with the Devil".

I'm not talking about Iraq. I thought you were talking about Dafur.

If I were you I wouldn't even bring up Rwanda. I know all about it and who was in charge.

 

[gopher]

''The fattest lot of people you've ever seen.''

Obesity is considered a medical condition by physicians. It results from eating bad food, not necessarily from eating too much food.

 

[EagleSmack]

The level of effort the US put into seizing control of Iraq's oil wealth probably could have solved every human rights problem in the world.

Therein lies the liberal lie... we never got all that oil. Iraq retained control of it.

 

[earth_as_one]

Sure those are causes. So are unemployment, illness and divorce. Also adults with these problems tend to have lots of children, who aren't involved in the decision making process regarding how the welfare check gets spent.

BTW... I'm against giving poor people money and minimum wage. That gives them discretion on how to spend it. I support public housing, free food, clothing and education. If you want to gamble or buy drugs, cigarettes and booze... get a job.

 

[EagleSmack]

''The fattest lot of people you've ever seen.''

Obesity is considered a medical condition by physicians. It results from eating bad food, not necessarily from eating too much food.

It is a combination of both but our poor are MORBID. MORBID and it is because they gorge on bad food.

If you have one BIG MAC a day and that is all you can afford... you aren't getting fat.

However our poor gorge and sit on their butts all day.

 

[earth_as_one]

Therein lies the liberal lie... we never got all that oil. Iraq retained control of it.

You really are full of self deceptions today.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Editoria...d Destruction of Iraq By Hassan El-Najjar.htm

BTW, I was referring to the DRC in 2003. People weren't getting thrown in the wood chipper there either, but they were being hunted like bush meat. Soldiers would go into villages and kill every man and rape every woman.

The UN Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, known as MONUC, confirmed on Wednesday that rebel groups in the northeast of the country had been engaging in acts of cannibalism.

"The rebels forced people to consume body parts of their family members," Patricia Tome, MONUC's director of information, said.

MONUC said it had received witness reports of rebels belonging to the Mouvement de liberation du Congo (MLC) and its ally, the Rassemblement congolais pour la democratie-National (RCD-N), being involved in cannibalism and forcible cannibalism in Mambasa and Mangina, respectively situated 50 and 70 km northwest of Beni.

A preliminary report, which has been forwarded to the UN Security Council and the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, cites 117 cases of arbitrary execution, 65 of rape, including child rape, 82 cases of abduction either for sexual purposes or work, and 27 of torture.

"There were horrifying things in the report concerning cannibalism, such as babies whose hearts were torn out and taken away or given to someone to eat, of small children who were killed, mutilated, and of people who were executed in front of their families," Tome said....

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=40766

 

[EagleSmack]

Sure those are causes. So are unemployment, illness and divorce. Also adults with these problems tend to have lots of children, who aren't involved in the decision making process regarding how the welfare check gets spent.

BTW... I'm against giving poor people money and minimum wage. That gives them discretion on how to spend it. I support public housing, free food, clothing and education. If you want to gamble or buy drugs, cigarettes and booze... get a job.

Oh yeah? Did you call yourself a liberal? Try saying that around here and you would be considered a mean spirited racist. You'd be called a TeaBagger if you try to build some rules and regulations on how the poor should spend THEIR ENTITLEMENTS.

Down here our poor get everything to live a comfortable life. Instead they snort at the trough and demand more.

How dare anyone compare our poor to the poor of Third World Nations.

You really are full of self deceptions today.

YAWN

BTW, I was referring to the DRC in 2003. People weren't getting thrown in the wood chipper there either, but they were being hunted like bush meat. Soldiers would go into villages and kill every man and rape every woman.


IRIN Africa | DRC: MONUC confirms cannibalism in Mambasa, Mangina | DRC | Human Rights

Oh, my mistake. So, what did your nation do about it again?

 

[darkbeaver]

Sure those are causes. So are unemployment, illness and divorce. Also adults with these problems tend to have lots of children, who aren't involved in the decision making process regarding how the welfare check gets spent.

BTW... I'm against giving poor people money and minimum wage. That gives them discretion on how to spend it. I support public housing, free food, clothing and education. If you want to gamble or buy drugs, cigarettes and booze... get a job.

GAI it's proven the most effective low income distribution. The money stays in the local communities, even as it goes to liquor stores and corner groceries. It is the secret to economic renewal.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why don't y'all look up Security Council Resolution #1973 and read what it actually says, paying particular attention to its paragraph 4. It does not call for a no fly zone, it calls on UN member states to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, short of sending in an occupying force. Since Mad Dog Moammar is using his air force against civilians, a no fly zone will obviously be part of that, which means knocking out air defenses and military aircraft. But it also means interdicting Libyan troop movements and their supply lines, destroying tanks, artillery, supply depots, and all the rest of it. The wording also leaves open the possibility of sending in special forces on the ground.

 

[EagleSmack]

Why don't y'all look up Security Council Resolution #1973 and read what it actually says, paying particular attention to its paragraph 4. It does not call for a no fly zone, it calls on UN member states to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, short of sending in an occupying force. Since Mad Dog Moammar is using his air force against civilians, a no fly zone will obviously be part of that, which means knocking out air defenses and military aircraft. But it also means interdicting Libyan troop movements and their supply lines, destroying tanks, artillery, supply depots, and all the rest of it. The wording also leaves open the possibility of sending in special forces on the ground.

Which is exactly what they are doing.

Anyone who thought this No Fly Zone was simply making sure no Libyan aircraft fly had their heads in the sand.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Agreed. This is a civil war and we've joined the rebel cause at the behest of the UN. And I think we were right to do so.

 

[EagleSmack]

Agreed. This is a civil war and we've joined the rebel cause at the behest of the UN. And I think we were right to do so.

Well, everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I don't think we had any business doing so but now that we are there we have to see it through. I was listening to NPR and the Rebels are looking at this as more than a No Fly Zone. They are saying now that they have air cover and allied aircraft are bombing tanks, trucks etc they can begin pushing back.

So yes, we weren't just protecting civillians... we chose sides.

 

[gopher]

''However our poor gorge and sit on their butts all day.''

Here in Gopherland we have plenty of working class folks who are just as morbidly fat as the poor. That's because they too eat that McDonald's sh!t instead of having real food.

 

[EagleSmack]

''However our poor gorge and sit on their butts all day.''

Here in Gopherland we have plenty of working class folks who are just as morbidly fat as the poor. That's because they too eat that McDonald's sh!t instead of having real food.

Here in Bean Town we have plenty of working class folks that are morbid too from eating garbage food and take out.

My point was the "millions in the US go hungry each day". If they are hungry it is because they are blowing their Welfare Money on booze and trading their Free Food Cards for cash. Then they go home to their starving kids and whine about how they have nothing to eat.

 

[earth_as_one]

Oh yeah? Did you call yourself a liberal? Try saying that around here and you would be considered a mean spirited racist. You'd be called a TeaBagger if you try to build some rules and regulations on how the poor should spend THEIR ENTITLEMENTS.

Down here our poor get everything to live a comfortable life. Instead they snort at the trough and demand more.

How dare anyone compare our poor to the poor of Third World Nations.

YAWN

Oh, my mistake. So, what did your nation do about it again?

Sadly Canadians were caught up in the US led distraction in Iraq. That's why I read Amnesty International. I want to know what's really going on, rather than be led by propaganda from someone with an agenda to make themselves and their friends wealthy.

I don't support giving poor people money. I support making all basic necessities free and eliminating welfare checks and minimum wage. If someone earns money, they can spend it how they like.

When children go to bed hungry at night, does it really make a difference where they are? You keep denying your country has a problem. The sad truth is, most countries have poverty. While the US is rich when measure on a per capita basis, most of the wealth is held by a few people at the top. Each year the club at the top get more exclusive as more and more people fall through the cracks into abject poverty.
Hunger in America: 2011 United States Hunger and Poverty Facts and Statistics

 

[JBeee]

I`ll try.

Do our `smart bombs` differentate amongst whom in a crowd (of Libyans), might be our enemy?

Why are the Libyans innocent? Gadhafi is a Libyan? So are many jihadis. Can you articulate the reasons why you think the Libyans are innocent?

 

[earth_as_one]

Agreed. This is a civil war and we've joined the rebel cause at the behest of the UN. And I think we were right to do so.

I agree. But its also in our own self interests to get rid of Gadhafi.

Why don't y'all look up Security Council Resolution #1973 and read what it actually says, paying particular attention to its paragraph 4. It does not call for a no fly zone, it calls on UN member states to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, short of sending in an occupying force. Since Mad Dog Moammar is using his air force against civilians, a no fly zone will obviously be part of that, which means knocking out air defenses and military aircraft. But it also means interdicting Libyan troop movements and their supply lines, destroying tanks, artillery, supply depots, and all the rest of it. The wording also leaves open the possibility of sending in special forces on the ground.

Which means we have become the Rebel's airforce. I agree with the resolution. As long as no foreigners set foot in Libya, the Libyan will determine what happens when Gadhafi falls. Hopefully they will be grateful for our help.