Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy

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you guys are so fixated with Jews that you manage to turn every damn thread into your personal vendetta against Joos...
Get a life will ya..............
Coming from somebody who posts the same ****t in every thread you are one perhaps you should take your own fukking advice troll.
http://news.yahoo.com/scotland-fears-loss-powers-referendum-hangover-004107585.html
A key question is what fresh powers Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron and Britain's other main parties will now hand to the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh.
Many people do not trust a Westminster elite preoccupied by a general election in May to honour a pledge of accelerated devolution made in the heat of the campaign.
Salmond said Friday that the proposed timetable already showed signs of slipping and warned that "some of the people who voted 'No' will be incandescent" if it is not delivered.
"All these promises were made -- it's as if they were dangling a carrot and he (Cameron) has taken that away now he's got the vote he wanted," said Louise Roberts, an unemployed 27-year-old who voted for independence.




"I can't believe that everybody has given the chance for freedom away."
 
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Has the UK ever kept any promise it has ever made to anybody? Not really, Canada's independence involves service to the Crown without any authority given by the voters. Hiding the apron strings while saying they have been cut is typically British bull****.

After No Victory, Westminster In A Quandary Over Promises To Scotland
But those powers, promised to Scotland in the final weeks of the campaign, have already raised fierce debate in Westminster, with many Conservative MPs saying they will block any such transfer, known as devolution. That raises questions about whether Prime Minister David Cameron and his coalition government can actually deliver the promises made by the three main parties -- Cameron's governing Conservatives, the allied Liberal Democrats, and the opposition Labour.
“Cameron can sleep easily tonight," said Matthew Feeney, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute in Washington. “But he really does have to follow through. The Scots won’t forgive a government that doesn’t keep its word when it comes to devolution of powers.”
 

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At least my posts are intelligible.


How could you possibly think that? I have yet to see ONE that is! All that smog has not only got your vision impaired but your brain is f**ked up! We had a few blokes working with us years ago.....................absolutely useless!

Coming from somebody who posts the same ****t in every thread you are one perhaps you should take your own fukking advice troll.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black?
 

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black?
So are you claiming the Brits are the most trustworthy group on the planet or is this just your form of a drive-by whet you get off some sort of shot that has no real substance?
 

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So are you claiming the Brits are the most trustworthy group on the planet or is this just your form of a drive-by whet you get off some sort of shot that has no real substance?


Wrong, I was referring to your calling someone a troll for spewing the same sh*t in every post, when that description fits you to a Tee. -:)
 

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Who do you see me following around with the same lame *** post every time. At least when I reply to a trad like Colpy there is some attempt to reference the mistakes in his post. That goes for others as well. Sleeper never has any point to the post and it doesn't matter what the subject is.

Now why don't you back up your statement with something more relevant that a string of random words that points to you being an enlightened one.

Scotland is the topic if you need some help getting started. Is vote fraud a valid subject or not? (lets start small as that is a big step for you)

The question in the last post was, Are the Brits an honest group when dealing with 'politics'? (in this case) I ask questions and give replies when asked questions, you do neither. You make insulting remarks and that's as far as it goes. You don't like my stance then dispute the post. Coming to defend sleeper or Colpy will only get you replies like this as your posts are mirror images of the crap they post.

There ya go, a few question to allow you to actually reply, I'm betting that it would be a struggle for you for just one post let alone have that be a habit for you. Getting in the face of a lot of trolls is no more difficult in doing it for one. (as you know by now)
 
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Has the UK ever kept any promise it has ever made to anybody? Not really, Canada's independence involves service to the Crown without any authority given by the voters. Hiding the apron strings while saying they have been cut is typically British bull****.

After No Victory, Westminster In A Quandary Over Promises To Scotland
But those powers, promised to Scotland in the final weeks of the campaign, have already raised fierce debate in Westminster, with many Conservative MPs saying they will block any such transfer, known as devolution. That raises questions about whether Prime Minister David Cameron and his coalition government can actually deliver the promises made by the three main parties -- Cameron's governing Conservatives, the allied Liberal Democrats, and the opposition Labour.
“Cameron can sleep easily tonight," said Matthew Feeney, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute in Washington. “But he really does have to follow through. The Scots won’t forgive a government that doesn’t keep its word when it comes to devolution of powers.”
That was being debated before the vote too. Contrary to the belief that everything is a centralized conspiracy, everyone knows a prime minister can't just promise constitutional change and deliver it with guarantee. Ask Mulroney about Meech Lake. But the vision has to start somewhere. Cameron didn't just forget about it after the vote. It was a big focus in his post-vote speech.
 

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I lost the thread where the Queen was putting out some cautionary statements about trying for seperation. Sounded just like the 'the Don' from the Godfather with the 'veiled threats'. Kind of like they would be like Cuba after Fidel took power and England would play the role of the US.
 

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Wrong, I was referring to your calling someone a troll for spewing the same sh*t in every post, when that description fits you to a Tee. -:)
You see now....?...The following post of his is the reason no one can have a reasonable discussion with that fool, and since he enjoys reading the scriptures so much here is one that fits him to a T


Proverbs 26:4-14


So I just treat him like the fool that he is............




Who do you see me following around with the same lame *** post every time. At least when I reply to a trad like Colpy there is some attempt to reference the mistakes in his post. That goes for others as well. Sleeper never has any point to the post and it doesn't matter what the subject is.

Now why don't you back up your statement with something more relevant that a string of random words that points to you being an enlightened one.

Scotland is the topic if you need some help getting started. Is vote fraud a valid subject or not? (lets start small as that is a big step for you)

The question in the last post was, Are the Brits an honest group when dealing with 'politics'? (in this case) I ask questions and give replies when asked questions, you do neither. You make insulting remarks and that's as far as it goes. You don't like my stance then dispute the post. Coming to defend sleeper or Colpy will only get you replies like this as your posts are mirror images of the crap they post.

There ya go, a few question to allow you to actually reply, I'm betting that it would be a struggle for you for just one post let alone have that be a habit for you. Getting in the face of a lot of trolls is no more difficult in doing it for one. (as you know by now)
 

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You see now....?...The following post of his is the reason no one can have a reasonable discussion with that fool, and since he enjoys reading the scriptures so much here is one that fits him to a T
What We've Got Here is Failure to Communicate - YouTube

The failure in communication here is that I have not claimed not to be a troll at times. My fellow trolls like to promote that have more noble reasons for doing the same and worse, containment. I can quit, I doubt they can. I'm sure Colpy knows when 'I'm looking for him top post something anywhere so i can jump on it. That I told him in a post it was going to happen should have been where he saw me sliother out from under the bridge. Unlike you wannabes who are a failure at everything you have ever tried.

Proverbs 26:4-14So I just treat him like the fool that he is............
Since you didn't bother posting the passage I will assume pointing out something from there would be a waste of time so my 'counter-verse that is from Christ so it may include some updates from what was set down as being the 'way it is in the Kingdom of Gos and for most of mankind that begins with the new earth verses. I'm not even going to check to see if that applies, not because the passage is unimportant it is because I see you as being unimportant enough that it exceeds the effort I have. This is within that limit. Feel free to post a reply in the religious section where I can do the above to you.

M't:5:22:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother,
Raca,
shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool,
shall be in danger of hell fire.

Your version of 'chatting' can be traced and that would show that even before my first cup. I believe at that time my reply to your standard line was about going some place on a front-wheel chopper and then another subject was mentioned. I threw you a few things you could have started a conversation on but you decided to try and be a smart-azz instead. It's a condition I'm not entirely a novice at. Unlike you fuktard who have 3 lines at best a true troll takes a post apart point by point by point and shows that azzhole for what he really is. You have to be able to do quick replies also and have each one be at least slightly different from any you have posted before, if you don't you only prove you are brain dead, like a wannabe troll. Be glad to get into the specifics but I'll let that happen over the next while. A prieview of what will take place would be asking Blackleaf to just admit that 'the Empire' hasn't always taken the steps that were in the best interests of the whole kingdom but were more focused on the ones with the money and the swords. If the 'kingdom' brags on how well they take care of them them let them brag about how well they take care of the least important. The graph that shows the voting trend seemed to have the richest vote yes and the poorest vote no. That's a sign that the monarchy still wants the least to remain at their current level and perhaps take a few steps down in their standard of living so the elite can pay for some war in some place they have no business in the affairs that involves armies, the most expensive and the least productive a civilized nation can do, yet the rich get to keep every penny and add to it. The troll in him won't allow any of that to sink in as any condemnation of any part is consider to be applied to the whole. The fact is when you find such blatant defects in one part then there is no possible way the rest is not just as defective. That doesn't make overhaul impossible it makes it a longer program only in that the tearing down for the rebuild has to start at the top and so far nobody has ventured out of the basement. That's also how I am going to troll all the other trolls that already know who they are.

At least when we both meet that great mod in the sky my -100 points will all be unique posts while the 'others' will have one post done the 100 times. I can live with that difference.

No doubt............................BUT to whom?
What does that mean?
 

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Actually, if their immigration rules weren't as strict, I would. Because it is a pretty decent place.


So would I. Israel is a great place with a great standard of living, apart from those members of you-know-what religion who want to kill innocent people and turn the place back to as it was in the 1200s.

It's the only place in the Middle East I would ever live in.

Coming from somebody who posts the same ****t in every thread you are one perhaps you should take your own fukking advice troll.
Scotland fears loss of new powers in referendum hangover
A key question is what fresh powers Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron and Britain's other main parties will now hand to the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh.
Many people do not trust a Westminster elite preoccupied by a general election in May to honour a pledge of accelerated devolution made in the heat of the campaign.
Salmond said Friday that the proposed timetable already showed signs of slipping and warned that "some of the people who voted 'No' will be incandescent" if it is not delivered.
"All these promises were made -- it's as if they were dangling a carrot and he (Cameron) has taken that away now he's got the vote he wanted," said Louise Roberts, an unemployed 27-year-old who voted for independence.




"I can't believe that everybody has given the chance for freedom away."


This question remains: What powers are Westminster going to hand to ENGLAND?

The Scots have got enough power and enough money from England. In the wake of this referendum it's good to see Cameron now shifting his focus on giving the English devolution, possibly an English Parliament. It may have come 15 years after Scotland, Wales and NI were given devolution, but it's better late than never.

As Mr Farage said: "It's time for the Scots tail to stop wagging the dog." The concerns of the English and, to a lesser extent, the Welsh and the Northern Irish, now need to be addressed. It can't be about the cold northern part of the UK all the time. The Scots are pampered enough.
 

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So would I. Israel is a great place with a great standard of living, apart from those members of you-know-what religion who want to kill innocent people and turn the place back to as it was in the 1200s.

It's the only place in the Middle East I would ever live in.

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Join a Synogouge and become a Jew, they'll let you in, best of luck.

Now I would have left bit at that if it wasn't for the 1200s comment. Iran in 1953 and Afghanistan in 1976 says your theory is simply wrong. Iran in 1953 kicked out big oil and gave the resources to the people of Iran, the West couldn't stand that so they created the conditions that resulted in a revolt in 1979 and have been under persecution from the 'False Christian' West. Jimmy Carter put an end to the adaptation of all the UN human rights suggestions in Afghanistan so if Muslim Nations are 'behind the times' the West is a good part of that. That you have to lie about it only proves that point.

What immigration policy is holding bear back? I'm pretty sure from your posts that the Muslim Nations would prefer the British would stay in their own fuking hole of a country.

This question remains: What powers are Westminster going to hand to ENGLAND?

The Scots have got enough power and enough money from England. In the wake of this referendum it's good to see Cameron now shifting his focus on giving the English devolution, possibly an English Parliament. It may have come 15 years after Scotland, Wales and NI were given devolution, but it's better late than never.

As Mr Farage said: "It's time for the Scots tail to stop wagging the dog." The concerns of the English and, to a lesser extent, the Welsh and the Northern Irish, now need to be addressed. It can't be about the cold northern part of the UK all the time. The Scots are pampered enough.
They will reward the ones already rich and punish the poor. This is England after all thugs ruling the majority using all the dirty tricks they are famous for. That stab in the back thing is a classic but over-used move. The say one thing and do the opposite is the standard move for all Western Nations including this version of Israel.

Jews just wiped out 2600 Muslims, got anything comparable from Muslims that doesn't include Western Muslims like the Brits out chopping off heads to make Muslims look bad while Jews and Christians kill 1,000's and demand applause from their home boys. Both are pretty sick fuks.
 

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Join a Synogouge and become a Jew, they'll let you in, best of luck.

I'm happy being a Protestant.


Now I would have left bit at that if it wasn't for the 1200s comment. Iran in 1953 and Afghanistan in 1976 says your theory is simply wrong. Iran in 1953 kicked out big oil and gave the resources to the people of Iran, the West couldn't stand that so they created the conditions that resulted in a revolt in 1979 and have been under persecution from the 'False Christian' West. Jimmy Carter put an end to the adaptation of all the UN human rights suggestions in Afghanistan so if Muslim Nations are 'behind the times' the West is a good part of that. That you have to lie about it only proves that point.

Yeah, the fact that the Muslim world is medieval is all the fault of the West, isn't it? It's NOTHING at all to do with the nature of Islam, which treats women like second-class citizens, hangs people from cranes for drinking alcohol, and bloodily beheads children because they happen to be Christian or Yazidi rather than Muslim.

That has nothing at all to do with the fact that Muslim countries are all medieval hell-holes, is it?

What immigration policy is holding bear back? I'm pretty sure from your posts that the Muslim Nations would prefer the British would stay in their own fuking hole of a country.

And the British would prefer if the Muslims stopped going round blowing innocent men, women and children to smithereens and chopping theirs heads of simply because they aren't Muslims.


Jews just wiped out 2600 Muslims, got anything comparable from Muslims that doesn't include Western Muslims like the Brits out chopping off heads to make Muslims look bad while Jews and Christians kill 1,000's and demand applause from their home boys. Both are pretty sick fuks.


The Muslims have killed tens of thousands of innocent people in recent years by flying planes into buildings, blowing up underground train stations and London buses, and beheading them because of their non-Muslim faith in recent years.
 

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I'm happy being a Protestant.
That somewhat different than being a Christian? You posts just scream false Christian.


Yeah, the fact that the Muslim world is medieval is all the fault of the West, isn't it? It's NOTHING at all to do with the nature of Islam, which treats women like second-class citizens, hangs people from cranes for drinking alcohol, and bloodily beheads children because they happen to be Christian or Yazidi rather than Muslim.
Sometimes you should just run away from a topic cause you only make yourself look totally fukking stupid. All the things you listed is what the CIA has their hired Muslims do, for money and power while being a proxy army for the West. This is how 'the West' has acted everyplace on the globe that they have had contact with.

How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
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Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.


Background to Confrontation: The U.S. & Iran: A History of Imperialist Domination, Intrigue and Intervention: Pt3



Part 3: Iran 1953-1979: The Nightmare of U.S. Domination

by Larry Everest
For over 100 years, the domination of Iran has been deeply woven into the fabric of global imperialism, enforced by the U.S. and other powers through covert intrigues, economic bullying, military assaults, and invasions. This history provides the backdrop for U.S. hostility toward Iran today—including the real threat of war, even nuclear war. Part 1 of this series explored the rivalry between European imperialists, up through World War 1, over who would control Iran and its oil. Part 2 exposed how the U.S. overthrew the nationalist secular government of Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 and restored its brutal, oppressive, and loyal administrator--the Shah--to power. Part 3 and Part 4 examine what 25 years of U.S. domination under the Shah’s reign meant for Iran and its people, and how it paved the way for the 1979 revolution and the founding of the Islamic Republic.



After the 1953 CIA-organized coup, the Shah and the U.S. moved to crush the widespread anti-U.S., anti-Shah opposition, solidify the Shah’s grip on power, and bring Iran firmly under U.S. control--politically, economically, and militarily.
The Shah immediately formed a military government and put Iran under indefinite martial law. The U.S. poured military advisors and aid ($504 million between 1952 and 1961) into Iran, reorganizing, training, and expanding the Monarchy’s police, military and, in 1957, its dreaded secret police--SAVAK.1
Opposition groups which had backed the overthrown Prime Minister Mossadegh, including the broad-based National Front and the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party, were immediately outlawed. All forms of political organization and activity--even literary gatherings--were banned. Massive arrests, unjustified detentions, institutionalized torture, summary tribunals, prison-murders, and executions were the order of the day. Newspapers, magazines, books--even leaflets--were outlawed if they criticized the government or the U.S. Censorship was enforced so strictly that the number of publications soon dropped from 600 under Prime Minister Mossaedegh (1951-53) to around 100.2
Parliament’s limited independence was stripped away, and candidates were now chosen by the regime. A “two-party” system was begun in 1957--with both the “Nationalist Party” and the “People’s Party” initiated and controlled by the Shah. Iran’s educational system was reorganized to institutionalize pro-Shah loyalty and propaganda.



That has nothing at all to do with the fact that Muslim countries are all medieval hell-holes, is it?
Name one where the West isn't involved in, especially in the killing via death squads kind of actions, those are classic example of the West's form of Christianity. Muslims weren't beheading people in Central and South America, the false Christian West was.
School of Americas
Founded by the United States in 1946, the SOA was initially located in Panama, but in 1984 it was kicked out under the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty and moved to the army base at Fort Benning, Georgia. Then-President of Panama Jorge Illueca called it "the biggest base for de-stabilization in Latin America," and a major Panamanian newspaper dubbed it " The School of Assassins."

Today, SOA instructors and students are recruited from the cream of the Latin American military establishment. The School trains 700-2,000 soldiers a year, and since its inception in 1946, more than 60,000 military personnel have graduated from the SOA.

If the SOA concentrated its training on protecting country borders from foreign aggression or safeguarding citizens from invasion by outside enemies, it would be considered an exemplary institution, worth the cost of American tax dollars and US prestige. But, the SOA has very different goals. Its curriculum includes courses in psychological warfare, counterinsurgency, interrogation techniques, and infantry and commando tactics. Presented with the most sophisticated and up-to-date techniques by the US Army's best instructors, these courses teach military officers and soldiers of Third World countries to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people. It prepares them to subdue the voices of dissent and to make protesters submit. It instructs them in techniques of marginalizing the poor, the hungry, and the dispossessed. It tells them how to stamp out freedom and terrorize their own citizens. It trains them to destroy the hope of democracy.

The School of the Americas (SOA) has been given other names -- "School for Dictators", "School of Assassins", and "Nursery of Death Squads". And, countries with the worst human rights records send the most soldiers to the School.


Countries / Graduates (since 1946)

Argentina / 931
Bolivia / 4,049
Brazil / 355
Chile / 2,405
Colombia / 8,679
Costa Rica / 2,376
Dominican Republic / 2,330
Ecuador / 2,356
El Salvador / 6,776
Guatemala / 1,676
Honduras / 3,691
Nicaragua / 4,693
Panama / 4,235
Paraguay / 1,084
Peru / 3,997
Uruguay / 931
Venezuela / 3,250

When they return to their home countries, graduates of the SOA hold a rather unique and peculiar view of their countrymen. They look upon priests, social workers, journalists, and liberal intellectuals, not as assets to their societies, but as dangerous subversives, working to undermine the system that keeps these soldiers, army officers, and their sponsors in power.

Graduates of the SOA have been among the most repressive tyrants in Latin America, and their actions have been some of the most cruel and violent. In El Salvador, in 1989, a Salvadoran army patrol executed six Jesuit priests as they lay face-down on the ground at Central America University. According to the United Nation's Truth Commission Report on El Salvador in 1993, 19 of the 27 officers who took part in the executions were trained at the SOA.



And the British would prefer if the Muslims stopped going round blowing innocent men, women and children to smithereens and chopping theirs heads of simply because they aren't Muslims.
Unlike the 2600 Muslims the Jews just killed because they had no place to hide as the 'gates were locked tight during the bombing campaign? How many Christians died in that campaign?
No need to cover how deep the US is involved is supplying the weapons used by 'their guys' to maim and kill and then deny that they had any part in it as it must be those 'bad Muslims'. How much does renting a bad Muslim cost the Queen a month?


The Muslims have killed tens of thousands of innocent people in recent years by flying planes into buildings, blowing up underground train stations and London buses, and beheading them because of their non-Muslim faith in recent years.
It is parts like this that show me you have to be a troll or just one of the stupidest people alive on the planet. Muslims had nothing to do with either of those bombings as there were false-flag events to gain public support for a global war against Muslims as the general public would not have supported a war without cause.

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We're going into the crazy left-wing world of weird conspiracy theories now.
 

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MHZ, the Mujahideen wasn't the Taliban. Aiding the Mujahideen is a far cry from inventing it. Your common sense should override the trap of fictional headlines, unless you want to believe every nonsensical blog that supports how you want history to be written.