School shooting in Montreal not terror.

[Machjo]

So where's that new thread on gun control?

 

[shannon]

Re: RE: School shooting in Montreal not terror.

Good point about the gun.

I can really see only a few situations in which a person should be allowed to carry arms:

1. A hunter who relies on a rifle for subsistence. Then all he needs is a hunting rifle.
2. A member of a rifle club, in which case there's no reason for him to take the rifle away from the club's premises.
3. Law enforcement.
4. Military.

5. Anyone else? I really can't think of any other valid reason beyond those four above, but you can go ahead and give it a try.

5. private collection
6. other employment besides law enforcement or military or security requiring a firearm for protection (ex. armored truck driver).

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: School shooting in Montreal not terror.

Good point about the gun.

I can really see only a few situations in which a person should be allowed to carry arms:

1. A hunter who relies on a rifle for subsistence. Then all he needs is a hunting rifle.
2. A member of a rifle club, in which case there's no reason for him to take the rifle away from the club's premises.
3. Law enforcement.
4. Military.

5. Anyone else? I really can't think of any other valid reason beyond those four above, but you can go ahead and give it a try.

5. private collection
6. other employment besides law enforcement or military or security requiring a firearm for protection (ex. armored truck driver).

7. Because it is a free country, and I damned well FEEL LIKE IT! 8O

(see the Gun Control in Canada thread)

 

[shannon]

Re: RE: School shooting in Montreal not terror.

Now the real foolishness starts.

As I guessed, Gill's weapons were all legal, and registered.

He had jumped through all the hoops, and, believe me, they are numerous.

He had a Beretta Storm carbine (caliber not specified, but 9mm, .40 or .45 all about the same lethality), a Glock pistol in .45 ACP, and a shotgun.

I was wrong about the .22 rimfire, I am honestly surprized at the survival rate of the wounded.

Anyway, the idiots are already out in force, including Jean Charest, calling for the Conservatives NOT to dump the gun registry...........

Has it not occured to these people that the 2 BILLION bucks spent on that fiasco saved NO ONE?

This guys guns were REGISTERED!! What difference did that make? None.

Enough to drive a logical man mad.

First off, I'd like to say that my thoughts and prayers go out to the family members of the student killed by the gunman as well as to those who are injured and are still in the hospital.

As for the registry, it's clear that it served no purpose here as it did not help prevent this tragic shooting. What we need is some means to prevent those who are unstable or are not all there (in addition to the criminals) from acquiring firearms. The registry doesn't do this, so it should clearly be abolished.

 

[Curiosity]

Some of my dad's family still farm and ranch in south and midwest areas of Alberta and they are allowed to have weapons for various purposes for use on their land such as.....

An stock animal being attacked by a predator -

A stock animal injured or depraved over a snake bite

Both above situations where one cannot approach the animal(s) involved...

Gunshots being the only way to end the violence.

So...I guess on farm land for protection of the stock...

 

[tamarin]

Maybe what we really need is a registry for weird people. Goths and punks and cutters etc. People who look like they might just have kicked and stabbed their mother or dragged their grandma out of a tomb. If you're weird and registered at least we should be able to find you. It'll save harassing good people about what should simply be a slam dunk for the police.

 

[Curiosity]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...0918/teen_internet_060918/20060918?hub=Canada

Followup to Gill story/website (copycat threat)

Quebec teen arrested for alleged Internet threats
Updated Mon. Sep. 18 2006 11:29 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Quebec provincial police arrested a 15-year-old boy early this morning for allegedly making threats over the Internet against fellow students at a Montreal-area high school.

The teen allegedly used the website vampirefreaks.com -- the same site Kimveer Gill used before his shooting rampage at Dawson College last week.

The boy, a Westwood high school student in Hudson, Que., is still being interviewed by police.

"As far as we're concerned we're going to be looking through his house, looking for firearms or if he had access to them," Quebec provincial police spokesperson Jayson Gauthier told CTV Newsnet.

"We're also going to be seizing any materials," including software and Internet files, that may shed light on whether he wanted to act out on his school, or if it was a sick joke.

Gauthier said police became aware of the threats because of help from the public.

"Yesterday, several phone calls came in on the tip line, telling us that we should look at this individual closely," Gauthier said.

He said police didn't want to take any chances of a copycat incident from happening, so "therefore we proceeded with an arrest."

Police officers went to the boy's school Monday morning to reassure students and parents.

He was arrested at his home in Saint-Clet, just southwest of Montreal.

Gauthier did not reveal what the boy wrote or whether he had access to weapons.

"But nonetheless, we've seen on that site and other sites where people are posting best wishes for (Gill), saying that this person, this individual was a hero," he said.

"There's no other way to treat this but to take it very seriously."

While police are doing their best to track Internet threats, added Gauthier, he said they will continue to need help from the public.

"We can't police all the sites, and we're going to need the public's help to crack down on these individuals."

Imagine law enforcement having to defend interception of what might have been a copycat.... good work...too bad they missed Gill before he went on his rampage.