School children in B.C. never failed.

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Political correctness. One must remember that the majority of those ruining our education system are or were teachers. It was these PC leftards that decided that giving out prizes to winners is a nono because it might hurt someone elses feelings.
When we were kids the failures did just that. FAILED. The really low marble counts had their own classes and didn't disturb the learners. Some of the smartest skipped a grade. Now the system is dumbed down to the LCD. This is especially bad for the gifted whose parents cannot aford private school.


You said it better than I could have, Taxslave. The mentality these days if you don't give every kid a star on his work assignment, the ones who don't get it will get pissed off and commit a few axe murders on their way home from school. -:) I.M.H.O. the most important thing you can teach a child is that disappointment strikes everyone at some point and they have to be able to contend with it.
 

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sounds like your kids did too....which would explain your feelings about the system and teachers in general


5 graduates, the 2 oldest didn't. Why? because they were pushed through instead of getting the help that they needed. Because the teachers didn't give a shyte. because they weren't "easy". Because the teachers would have to actually "work" at educating those 2. They'd have to figure out what was the best way to "teach" them. What did my wife and I get when we offered to tell the teacher what was the best way to handle our ADD/ADHD child? We were told that they, the teacher, was the expert and didn't need any of our advice. THEY had gone to school for teaching these types of kids. THEY knew ALL about it.

How did that same conversation go here in Alberta with our youngest who also had ADD? Thank you, we really appreciate all the help and insight you can give. We are here to help and do what ever is necessary for your child. BIG FU CKING DIFFERENCE!

Teachers in BC don't give a rats a$$.
 
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JLM

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5 graduates, the 2 oldest didn't. Why? because they were pushed through instead of getting the help that they needed. Because the teachers didn't give a shyte. because they weren't "easy". Because the teachers would have to actually "work" at educating those 2. They'd have to figure out what was the best way to "teach" them. What did my wife and I get when we offered to tell the teacher what was the best way to handle our ADD/ADHD child? We were told that they, the teacher, was the expert and didn't need any of our advice. THEY had gone to school for teaching these types of kids. THEY knew ALL about it.

How did that same conversation go here in Alberta with our youngest who also had ADD? Thank you, we really appreciate all the help and insight you can give. We are here to help and do what ever is necessary for your child. BIG FU CKING DIFFERENCE!

Teachers in BC don't give a rats a$$.


Do you really think you can categorize teachers by geography? Between my children and grandchildren, I've had experience with about eleven different schools and possibly 30 or 40 different teachers in 6 different locations around B.C. I would guess that probably 80% of our contacts have been positive (and I've had kids who could be obstreperous at times in their lives) -:) You just can't tar them all with the same brush!

But they do care about the $$$$$$$$$


That's a common denominator of all workers.
 

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Do you really think you can categorize teachers by geography? You just can't tar them all with the same brush!


I can when that is the experience I have had. Teachers in Surrey, Langley, Aldergrove, Abbostford, all the same. Teachers in Calgary Catholic, great.
 

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I can when that is the experience I have had. Teachers in Surrey, Langley, Aldergrove, Abbostford, all the same. Teachers in Calgary Catholic, great.


How many of the schools in B.C. were Catholic? Haven't we heard a lot in the media about the short comings of Catholic schools right across Canada?
 

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How many of the schools in B.C. were Catholic? Haven't we heard a lot in the media about the short comings of Catholic schools right across Canada?


I couldn't afford Catholic Schools in BC. So none of them were. Actually, that's not true, we managed to put our second youngest into a Catholic elementary in Abbotsford for one year, that was all we could afford. Here in Alberta, Catholic Schools are not "private". Anyone can attend a Catholic School in Alberta.
 

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It was brought to my attention on Global News last night that no students in B.C. are ever failed under any circumstances! How does this bullsh*t prepare kids today for the realities of life? It's through our failures that we gain strength and ability to contend with adversity. Teachers want even more pay to perpetuate this bullsh*t - time to get real!

And they'll get it cuz keepin the little darlings in public school ruins them better, and that is important to the sleezy politicians who they will vote for in turn. Kids today don't even play outside, they've been educated
all right. Public skool was a Prussian suppressant developed by a Prussian nobelman who feared the spread of the written word who instituted they control mechanism limiting the spread of smarts among the common folk, right up into this century, it been a smashing success we actualy vote for our jailers.

Televison is a form of home scooling.

How many people watch reality TV instead of actual reality related activities. Entertain yourself, that's what booger discovery is for, your real entertainment. Scratch your bum a little, another popular real distraction.
The reason we're in an economic/moral/ethical/CO2 crisis situation must be blamed on public schools mustn't it?
 

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I was in elementary school in the 60's and don't remember any kid every being held back.

Thankfully kids these days learn relevant things. We only seemed to taught about Mesopotamia and Shakespeare.

T'wer thou glangst o'er land thy plith. O' cometh we clast do'r Tigris stead Euphrates alonged.
 

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I was in elementary school in the 60's and don't remember any kid every being held back.

Thankfully kids these days learn relevant things. We only seemed to taught about Mesopotamia and Shakespeare.

T'wer thou glangst o'er land thy plith. O' cometh we clast do'r Tigris stead Euphrates alonged.

I remember several failing in grade one . That would be 1961. also people failed courses in highschool although because of the way the school was set up you had options on which year you took some courses so it would have been difficult to fail a year.
 

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Political correctness. One must remember that the majority of those ruining our education system are or were teachers. It was these PC leftards that decided that giving out prizes to winners is a nono because it might hurt someone elses feelings.
When we were kids the failures did just that. FAILED. The really low marble counts had their own classes and didn't disturb the learners. Some of the smartest skipped a grade. Now the system is dumbed down to the LCD. This is especially bad for the gifted whose parents cannot aford private school.
You are mostly right here.

we were speaking about all of the above in the staffroom on Friday. The problem with complete integration into the classroom is that they have integrated everyone...that includes special needs kids who are high functioning (and should be there for part of the day) and kids who are very low functioning and kids prone to loud out bursts and violence.

If you think the public is frustrated try teaching in that environment.

Same with the every team gets a cup. The only ones who feel good about that are some of the adults...kids know they lost.

Also I get the tendency to keep saying when we were kids, when we were kids...the world has changed a lot since we were kids and it isn't doing as well as it could right now either.

When we were kids regardless of when that was, there was plenty wrong with the system then too.

The largest problem in our school system right now is the support of mediocrity. The gifted kids don't lose. They get discovered and they excel regardless. We have kids in grade 7 and 8 who go to high school for part of the morning for advanced math.

It is the average to high average kids who lose out. and thus society eventually.

5 graduates, the 2 oldest didn't. Why? because they were pushed through instead of getting the help that they needed. Because the teachers didn't give a shyte. because they weren't "easy". Because the teachers would have to actually "work" at educating those 2. They'd have to figure out what was the best way to "teach" them. What did my wife and I get when we offered to tell the teacher what was the best way to handle our ADD/ADHD child? We were told that they, the teacher, was the expert and didn't need any of our advice. THEY had gone to school for teaching these types of kids. THEY knew ALL about it.

How did that same conversation go here in Alberta with our youngest who also had ADD? Thank you, we really appreciate all the help and insight you can give. We are here to help and do what ever is necessary for your child. BIG FU CKING DIFFERENCE!

Teachers in BC don't give a rats a$$.
Yes "the experts" and attitude. Parents know their kids. People need to listen and hear and see what can be applied from listening.

It`s a shame about the two oldest. Hopefully they have learned to cope and do well in spite of the system.

I was in elementary school in the 60's and don't remember any kid every being held back.

Thankfully kids these days learn relevant things. We only seemed to taught about Mesopotamia and Shakespeare.

T'wer thou glangst o'er land thy plith. O' cometh we clast do'r Tigris stead Euphrates alonged.
a friend of mine got held back in grade 4...don`t know why she struggled so hard that year as she was quite bright but surprisingly they even explained it to us kids that her parents and the teachers felt it would be to her benefit to hold her back and allow her to repeat the lessons and so they did...they never termed it as failing... I remember being glad for here that they had approached it in a rational and sensitive manner. She did well later in high school.
 

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Yes "the experts" and attitude. Parents know their kids. People need to listen and hear and see what can be applied from listening.

It`s a shame about the two oldest. Hopefully they have learned to cope and do well in spite of the system.


The 2 oldest are doing fine. That's the thing about ADD/ADHD kids. They aren't stupid, in fact, they are usually above average in intelligence. They just "learn" differently than the average kid.

When I have a challenge at work, I rise to that challenge. It makes work more interesting. Keeps me motivated. Keeps things interesting. What I found with BC teachers is that they don't want the challenges. They don't want to do anything that is beyond the "ordinary".

What I have also found, is that they accept the kudos and responsibility for kids in their charge that have done well, but do not accept responsibility for kids that have not done well. It's not their fault, it's the kids fault.

Having a 10 year old in with my 7 year old is absolute Bull****. Push him upward and outward. If he lacks training and education as an adult then let him pay out the dime for that.

I would agree that sounds like a great job for our teachers. However, the 10 year old had his chance, and now it is my son's turn. While the system may have failed him, it is not a good enough reason for the system to fail my son too because they are burning up their resources on a failure like the 10 year ols.


So, you are of the opinion that kids are disposable. At least, kids that aren't yours.
 

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I remember several failing in grade one . That would be 1961. also people failed courses in highschool although because of the way the school was set up you had options on which year you took some courses so it would have been difficult to fail a year.


When I was in grade 12 (1960-61) there was a club called "Club 13" composed of all those who took 13 years to complete the 12 grades. There were several in the club. So failing was a fact of life. In grade 11 I failed English grammar, but took a correspondence course in the summer holidays to complete it in time for the next grade. Another thing back in the day was "passed on trial", it was kind of a boot in the **** for kids that were failing, probably a good incentive for the ones who were lazy but not too stupid.

What I have also found, is that they accept the kudos and responsibility for kids in their charge that have done well, but do not accept responsibility for kids that have not done well. It's not their fault, it's the kids fault.


That is like that grade 10 math teacher I alluded to in an earlier post. I remember there was one poor girl in the class, fairly smart but a bit of a scatter brain. Instead of just letting some of her stupid comments pass he would denigrate her in front of the whole class. Actually I think it kind of backfired, she loved the attention, which was probably why she was making dumb comments in the first place. Anyway that is neither here nor there. He was the worst teacher I had in 12 years of school. The reason he probably lasted was because the principle was an old war veteran as well.

If their students never fail BC teachers must be the best.


You forgot to use the purple ink, sweetie!
 

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So, you are of the opinion that kids are disposable. At least, kids that aren't yours.

Pretty much. But you aren't putting the emphasis in the correct places so let me rephrase for you.....

My 7yr old is not disposable. And you are treating your 10 year old as disposable. He's been in the same grade for 2 years, if you haven't gotten him help, it is time to push him upward and outward. I would caution you to get off your *** and do something before he is an adult, but if i mind my own business then the only valid concern I should have is for my son who already has to deal with little ****ers his own age, it is absolute bull**** that he should have to deal with your little ****er.
 

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This is no reflection on the teachers but I do think before the teachers get any more pay raises the system needs to corrected radically. Out of fairness to the students of average or enhanced ability some of kids with below average ability have to be taught separately and on a reduced schedule. Unfortunately there are kids who will never progress beyond washing dishes or cleaning tables at Big Mac's, and their training should consist of making them proficient at that - not reading Shakespeare or doing trigonometry. Back in the day we had two programs "General" and "University", maybe we should get back to that with possibly a third designation added -"Utility".
 

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Pretty much. But you aren't putting the emphasis in the correct places so let me rephrase for you.....

My 7yr old is not disposable. And you are treating your 10 year old as disposable. He's been in the same grade for 2 years, if you haven't gotten him help, it is time to push him upward and outward. I would caution you to get off your *** and do something before he is an adult, but if i mind my own business then the only valid concern I should have is for my son who already has to deal with little ****ers his own age, it is absolute bull**** that he should have to deal with your little ****er.


No, I put the emphasis right where it belonged, because, it is selfish ingrates like yourself that have created the problems we have now.
 

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Most classrooms now are multiple grades. 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 etc. If A kid struggles in 1-2 and keep him in 1-2. If it would be hard for him going from grade 2 (in a 1-2) to a 3-4 class for grade 3 then place him in 2-3. If a kid is excelling then bump him.

The education system is miles ahead of the old days.
 

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This is no reflection on the teachers but I do think before the teachers get any more pay raises the system needs to corrected radically. Out of fairness to the students of average or enhanced ability some of kids with below average ability have to be taught separately and on a reduced schedule. Unfortunately there are kids who will never progress beyond washing dishes or cleaning tables at Big Mac's, and their training should consist of making them proficient at that - not reading Shakespeare or doing trigonometry. Back in the day we had two programs "General" and "University", maybe we should get back to that with possibly a third designation added -"Utility".

This is so incredibly ridiculous. I can't tell if you're joking. School should train children to be proficient in washing dishes and cleaning tables? Is that what you people actually think?

Most classrooms now are multiple grades. 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 etc. If A kid struggles in 1-2 and keep him in 1-2. If it would be hard for him going from grade 2 (in a 1-2) to a 3-4 class for grade 3 then place him in 2-3. If a kid is excelling then bump him.

The education system is miles ahead of the old days.

Oh god, when I was in grade 3 I was put in a 3-4 class. Was it because I was smart or was it because the fours were dumb?
 

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Oh god, when I was in grade 3 I was put in a 3-4 class. Was it because I was smart or was it because the fours were dumb?


From your posts, it was because the 4's were dumb. I'm actually surprised you weren't in a 2/3 split.