School children in B.C. never failed.

JamesBondo

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No, I put the emphasis right where it belonged, because, it is selfish ingrates like yourself that have created the problems we have now.

I'm just minding my own business. I consider you a selfish ingrate for wanting to **** up 3 years of kids with you sorely neglected dumb bully of a 10 year old that still throws temper tantrums and still can't tie his own shoes. If you want him to stay in the same grade, I suggest that you suck it up, princess, and home school your little reject.
 

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This is so incredibly ridiculous. I can't tell if you're joking. School should train children to be proficient in washing dishes and cleaning tables? Is that what you people actually think?


You are totally entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make it right or mine wrong. Schools train people to make widgets so why NOT cleaning tables or washing dishes, if the person is not overly clever?
 

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I'm just minding my own business. I consider you a selfish ingrate for wanting to **** up 3 years of kids with you sorely neglected dumb bully of a 10 year old that still throws temper tantrums and still can't tie his own shoes. If you want him to stay in the same grade, I suggest that you suck it up, princess, and home school your little reject.

Really, now, instead of just being stupid, the child is now violent and a bully. You want to add anymore negative stereo types to this imaginary 10 year old?
 

JamesBondo

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Really, now, instead of just being stupid, the child is now violent and a bully. You want to add anymore negative stereo types to this imaginary 10 year old?

Not at this moment. However, do you want to add a positive fairy tale ending about the inferiority complex laid an imaginary child that has been failed 3 times before being pushed up to the next grade. They will be forever known as the dumb kid by the other students. In my class, we had 2 kids that were two grades older than us. They

Really, now, instead of just being stupid, the child is now violent and a bully. You want to add anymore negative stereo types to this imaginary 10 year old?

Not at this moment. However, do you want to add a positive fairy tale ending about the inferiority complex laid an imaginary child that has been failed 3 times before being pushed up to the next grade. They will be forever known as the dumb kid by the other students. In my class, we had 2 kids that were two grades older than us. They were "the dumb kids" for their whole grade school experience.
 

gerryh

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Not at this moment. However, do you want to add a positive fairy tale ending about the inferiority complex laid an imaginary child that has been failed 3 times before being pushed up to the next grade. They will be forever known as the dumb kid by the other students. In my class, we had 2 kids that were two grades older than us. They



Not at this moment. However, do you want to add a positive fairy tale ending about the inferiority complex laid an imaginary child that has been failed 3 times before being pushed up to the next grade. They will be forever known as the dumb kid by the other students. In my class, we had 2 kids that were two grades older than us. They were "the dumb kids" for their whole grade school experience.


By the looks of it, you were one of those kids. Explains a lot.
 

JamesBondo

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Do you think attacking the person instead of the message makes you one of the smart kids?

I suggest you look up debating fallacies, ad hominem.
 

gerryh

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Do you think attacking the person instead of the message makes you one of the smart kids?

I suggest you look up debating fallacies, ad hominem.


oh, you mean like the following?

Pretty much. But you aren't putting the emphasis in the correct places so let me rephrase for you.....

My 7yr old is not disposable. And you are treating your 10 year old as disposable. He's been in the same grade for 2 years, if you haven't gotten him help, it is time to push him upward and outward. I would caution you to get off your *** and do something before he is an adult, but if i mind my own business then the only valid concern I should have is for my son who already has to deal with little ****ers his own age, it is absolute bull**** that he should have to deal with your little ****er.
 

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I thought we were clear that I don't have a 7 year old son and you don't have a 10 year old failure.
 

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In elementary grades, the reasons for having a child continue with his age cohort far outweigh those for holding a child back a year because of perceived failure to master the graded curriculum. These reasons include matters of self esteem, motivation to learn, not being stigmatised, physical maturation, and different rates of mental growth. Furthermore, at the elementary grades, teachers are expected to individualise instruction; it is conceivable that a child could be at grade in social studies, behind in mathematics, and above grade in reading.

Because children start school the year they turn six, those who are born in January are significantly ahead physically, emotionally, and intellectually than those born almost a year later in December, a case can be made for having two separate entry dates for grade one.

In high school, children do fail courses even in BC. If a student fails Grade 11 physics, for example, he either repeats the course or chooses a different option.k
 

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In elementary grades, the reasons for having a child continue with his age cohort far outweigh those for holding a child back a year because of perceived failure to master the graded curriculum. These reasons include matters of self esteem, motivation to learn, not being stigmatised, physical maturation, and different rates of mental growth. Furthermore, at the elementary grades, teachers are expected to individualise instruction; it is conceivable that a child could be at grade in social studies, behind in mathematics, and above grade in reading.

Because children start school the year they turn six, those who are born in January are significantly ahead physically, emotionally, and intellectually than those born almost a year later in December, a case can be made for having two separate entry dates for grade one.

In high school, children do fail courses even in BC. If a student fails Grade 11 physics, for example, he either repeats the course or chooses a different option.k


We have a grand daughter born Dec. 19, 2000. For a few years there was a noticeable difference between her and some of her class mates and my wife often wondered if she shouldn't have been held back a year, but now she's on par with the rest of the kids and doing well in grade 8.
 

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In elementary grades, the reasons for having a child continue with his age cohort far outweigh those for holding a child back a year because of perceived failure to master the graded curriculum. These reasons include matters of self esteem, motivation to learn, not being stigmatised, physical maturation, and different rates of mental growth. Furthermore, at the elementary grades, teachers are expected to individualise instruction; it is conceivable that a child could be at grade in social studies, behind in mathematics, and above grade in reading.

Because children start school the year they turn six, those who are born in January are significantly ahead physically, emotionally, and intellectually than those born almost a year later in December, a case can be made for having two separate entry dates for grade one.

In high school, children do fail courses even in BC. If a student fails Grade 11 physics, for example, he either repeats the course or chooses a different option.k
here in Ontario our kids start at 4/5...then legally must be enrolled by 6

an excellent post♦
 

JamesBondo

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you were gettin pretty personal.

I can switch 'you' to 'one'. It will be less personal but it will sound a bit hokee

Imo, the curriculum moves slow in elementary school. I remember being very bored from grade 5 to grade 7 because the mathematics seemed to be stuck on long division. I understood it in the first year, and was required to sleep through it for the other 2 years. My point is, a child that is a slower learner has plenty of time to learn, there is no need to hold them back.
 

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I can switch 'you' to 'one'. It will be less personal but it will sound a bit hokee


Imo, the curriculum moves slow in elementary school. I remember being very bored from grade 5 to grade 7 because the mathematics seemed to be stuck on long division. I understood it in the first year, and was required to sleep through it for the other 2 years. My point is, a child that is a slower learner has plenty of time to learn, there is no need to hold them back.

Depends. I think it is better for a kid to be in a class with equilant maturity and skill level rather than physical age. When I started grade one I could prety much read and write while there were others that couldn't even do the alphabet. In this case either one of us is bored to tears or one is pushed without a firm grasp of the basics. Clearly this is good for neither.
 

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here in Ontario our kids start at 4/5...then legally must be enrolled by 6

an excellent post♦


In British Columbia last I heard a child has to attend school by law from the age of 7 to 15. I don't believe that has changed. A valid exception would be home schooling or correspondence (I would think) Common sense would tell me this law is in place for kids close to normal mental capacity.
 

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In British Columbia last I heard a child has to attend school by law from the age of 7 to 15. I don't believe that has changed. A valid exception would be home schooling or correspondence (I would think) Common sense would tell me this law is in place for kids close to normal mental capacity.
it's weird how even province to province...things change
 

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By law, children in BC must attend school from the ages of 5 to 16. In Alberta, mandatory schooling is between 6 to 16.
Entry ages for Grade 1 vary from local authority to local authority within each province - a hodge podge crying for standardisation for families moving within a province or between provinces.

In BC and the other provinces and territories, School Planning Councils which consist of parents, teachers, and administrators provide a democratic forum for those parents who wish to have direct input on school policy ranging from achievement to department. Democracy is not a spectator sport.
 

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You are totally entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make it right or mine wrong. Schools train people to make widgets so why NOT cleaning tables or washing dishes, if the person is not overly clever?

So you're serious. Education and job training are different things. We don't train children for jobs. We educate them about the world and the society they live in. Knowledge. It's a thing.
 

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So you're serious. Education and job training are different things. We don't train children for jobs. We educate them about the world and the society they live in. Knowledge. It's a thing.
I think you're both right. You're expressing the desideratum of education. JLM is talking about how often we fall short of that.