Scheer going to India to 'repair' relationship after 'disastrous' Trudeau trip

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The Nijjar murder was first said to be "gang related".

There is crazy shit going on. There is a murder and get away vehicle torched every few days in Vancouver.
 
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The Nijjar murder was first said to be "gang related".

There is crazy shit going on. There is a murder and get away vehicle torched every few days in Vancouver.
Maybe it is still “gang related.” Maybe some Diplomats were expressing relief that they didn’t have to arrange the “Whack” themselves? Maybe they were griping that someone beat them to it? Maybe it was dark humour misinterpreted from whatever language they speak to English/French? Maybe we really don’t know anymore than we did yesterday?
 
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Maybe it is still “gang related.” Maybe some Diplomats were expressing relief that they didn’t have to arrange the “Whack” themselves? Maybe they were griping that someone beat them to it? Maybe it was dark humour misinterpreted from whatever language they speak to English/French? Maybe we really don’t know anymore than we did yesterday?
Its on Modi to execute the extradition warrants.
 

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Maybe it is still “gang related.” Maybe some Diplomats were expressing relief that they didn’t have to arrange the “Whack” themselves? Maybe they were griping that someone beat them to it? Maybe it was dark humour misinterpreted from whatever language they speak to English/French? Maybe we really don’t know anymore than we did yesterday?
Ah, "gang related." The universal get-out-of-jail-free card for governments.

They should send in an army! Of social workers. With clipboards and hi-viz vests!
 

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Did it have to be this way? Absolutely not. What has caused the current tailspin is the manner in which Trudeau levelled his allegations, not the substance of the allegations themselves.

Let’s be clear: the allegations are very serious, and, if they are proved true, India has a lot of explaining to do.

The problem is that neither Trudeau nor anyone else has provided much evidence to back them up. Given that India has categorically denied being involved in the killing, the public is left in the uncomfortable position of being forced to take one democratic leader’s word over another, or simply to suspend judgement.

And there’s the rub. In previous situations where one country very publicly levels allegations against another, at least some of the evidence that is claimed to support those allegations is suitably redacted and then made public.

So far, that really hasn’t happened. we’ve gone from “Credible Allegations” to a CBC leak of….a rumour of….Indian Diplomats being electronically eavesdropped upon without the contents of what was said so verify the “Allegations” in the first place….

So, there’s really no more evidence out there then there was four days ago. India isn’t denying that their diplomats may have been electronically eavesdropped upon, but they’re not saying “OK Copper, Ya Got Us!” Either….

There’s no names of the dudes that killed the other dude in Surrey, and there’s no names of the diplomats who were eavesdropped upon, and there’s no details of their conversation….So that’s neither here nor there. There’s still really nothing.

All that Canadians have to go on is reporting in the CBC and Associated Press, presumably emanating from leaks, which suggests that Canada has “intelligence” backing up its claims that consists of surveillance of diplomats, and signal intelligence, possibly, from a Canadian ally.

But none of that is in the public domain and is unlikely to satisfy anyone. Nor are Canada’s allies fully convinced. The U.S., the U.K., and Australia, amongst others, have all expressed “serious concern” or used similar verbiage. In diplomatic speak, this is just punting the ball.

What’s relevant is that none of them, including the U.S., have condemned India. If the evidence that Canada had shown to allies amounted to a proverbial smoking gun, they would likely have been less equivocal. What’s more, Trudeau’s very public spat with India has put Canada’s allies in the awkward situation of having to walk a tightrope balancing act between an old ally and an important new one.

Here’s the rub: Trudeau’s dramatic speech in Parliament amounted to a huge gamble. (Poker, not Chess)

Rather than raising the matter quietly through diplomatic channels, he went all in on a major public announcement. It didn’t work out as planned, it seems. He’s now got no choice but to show us his whole hand, and, for his sake, it had better be a royal flush.

Trudeau is currently suffering his own free fall in the polls, and Modi’s strong numbers, if anything, have jumped, off the back of India’s aggressive response to Canada, burnishing his image of being a strong and decisive leader who won’t let India be pushed around on the world stage.

Remember Colin Powell’s famous show and tell on television, when he tried to convince the American and global public that the U.S. had incontrovertible proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? It turned out that the U.S. was wrong, of course, but the point is that they made an effort to sway public opinion. That’s not happening here in Canada with Trudeau on this matter, at least not to date, and at least from what I’ve seen, and heard so far.
 
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Did it have to be this way? Absolutely not. What has caused the current tailspin is the manner in which Trudeau levelled his allegations, not the substance of the allegations themselves.

Let’s be clear: the allegations are very serious, and, if they are proved true, India has a lot of explaining to do.

The problem is that neither Trudeau nor anyone else has provided much evidence to back them up. Given that India has categorically denied being involved in the killing, the public is left in the uncomfortable position of being forced to take one democratic leader’s word over another, or simply to suspend judgement.

And there’s the rub. In previous situations where one country very publicly levels allegations against another, at least some of the evidence that is claimed to support those allegations is suitably redacted and then made public.

So far, that really hasn’t happened. we’ve gone from “Credible Allegations” to a CBC leak of….a rumour of….Indian Diplomats being electronically eavesdropped upon without the contents of what was said so verify the “Allegations” in the first place….

So, there’s really no more evidence out there then there was four days ago. India isn’t denying that their diplomats may have been electronically eavesdropped upon, but they’re not saying “OK Copper, Ya Got Us!” Either….

There’s no names of the dudes that killed the other dude in Surrey, and there’s no names of the diplomats who were eavesdropped upon, and there’s no details of their conversation….So that’s neither here nor there. There’s still really nothing.

All that Canadians have to go on is reporting in the CBC and Associated Press, presumably emanating from leaks, which suggests that Canada has “intelligence” backing up its claims that consists of surveillance of diplomats, and signal intelligence, possibly, from a Canadian ally.

But none of that is in the public domain and is unlikely to satisfy anyone. Nor are Canada’s allies fully convinced. The U.S., the U.K., and Australia, amongst others, have all expressed “serious concern” or used similar verbiage. In diplomatic speak, this is just punting the ball.

What’s relevant is that none of them, including the U.S., have condemned India. If the evidence that Canada had shown to allies amounted to a proverbial smoking gun, they would likely have been less equivocal. What’s more, Trudeau’s very public spat with India has put Canada’s allies in the awkward situation of having to walk a tightrope balancing act between an old ally and an important new one.

Here’s the rub: Trudeau’s dramatic speech in Parliament amounted to a huge gamble. (Poker, not Chess)

Rather than raising the matter quietly through diplomatic channels, he went all in on a major public announcement. It didn’t work out as planned, it seems. He’s now got no choice but to show us his whole hand, and, for his sake, it had better be a royal flush.

Trudeau is currently suffering his own free fall in the polls, and Modi’s strong numbers, if anything, have jumped, off the back of India’s aggressive response to Canada, burnishing his image of being a strong and decisive leader who won’t let India be pushed around on the world stage.

Remember Colin Powell’s famous show and tell on television, when he tried to convince the American and global public that the U.S. had incontrovertible proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? It turned out that the U.S. was wrong, of course, but the point is that they made an effort to sway public opinion. That’s not happening here in Canada with Trudeau on this matter, at least not to date, and at least from what I’ve seen, and heard so far.
When Modi enforces the extradition its an admission. Its India playing politics. Hes facing backlash for Russian imports and neutrality too.

China ia about to collapse So the BS of China as a military threat is just that.

What happens if India bails out China?
 

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RCMP has its insiders and undercovers in the mix.
Which may or may not be a good thing. Depending on the political motivation. Agent Provocateur from the 70s comes to mind. There was even a ballad about this. Vancouver group, can't get the name right now.
Poppy family.
 

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One of the more well known ones. Many low level protest groups and some invented drug rings. There was one in Victoria not all that long ago that a judge basically said the couple involved in the "conspiracy" to blow up the Parliament Building were too stupid to have come up with the idea and plan it on their own.
 
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When Modi enforces the extradition its an admission.
Extradition of whom? Admission of what?

India has provided Canada with a list of 43 individuals as far back as the 2018 Tickle-Trunk Tour and Canada’s done nothing with that either as far as I can tell.
Its India playing politics. Hes facing backlash for Russian imports and neutrality too.
Yet is being courted as a growing Pacific market with burgeoning economy as an alternative to China by many, except Canada that’s actively alienating them.

What backlash? Being the host for the G-20?
China is about to collapse So the BS of China as a military threat is just that.
Been hearing that for years. Demographic pyramid top heavy with older folks, etc…& yet here we are.
What happens if India bails out China?
What happens if India does bail out China?

Between the two countries they’re what? 1/4 of the Earths population? 1/3?

I still haven’t heard anything from the current Canadian Liberal Government beyond a leak to the Government funded CBC about vague allegations towards electronic eavesdropping of diplomatic communications by a third party (the NSA?) and their conversations about whatever that are supposedly incriminating regarding this murder in Surrey BC that may or may not be gang related.
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Canada still seems to be missing a few things in its accusation against the Indian Government in this matter.

If this “evidence” of eavesdropping on electronic communications from diplomatic sources from Indian embassies, assumably by the NSA, and assumably passed on to CSIS via the Five Eyes agreement, what are the Americans saying & doing here?

These accusations by the Trudeau Liberals and backed by the Singh NDP to date really don’t have any meat on the bones as far as I can see….& yes, Conservative and Bloc have supported the “IF this happened, it’s shouldn’t have on Canadian soil” thing, but have also stated that they also need details…so everyone from the Indian & American Governments to the Canadian Opposition Parties to the Canadian and Indian citizen populations are waiting for Canada to produce something for evidence and something to corroborate it beyond unsupported allegations currently.

Currently it seems like just a lot of dramatic posturing with nothing concretely corroborating anything…so again, it’s still way past time to put up ‘cuz the “or shut up” option was not an option of our current government.
 

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India-Canada News: Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar was not the only one against whom the Indian government sought information or action under the 1987 extradition treaty and the 1998 mutual legal assistance treaty or through Interpol.

In 2022, Punjab Police approached Canadian authorities seeking Nijjar's extradition to India. However, the extradition request was nullified after his death in June this year, according to a report published by Hindustan Times.

Other Khalistan terrorists against whom the extradition requests are already in the pipeline include Babbar Khalsa International leader Lakhbir Singh Landa, and gangster-turned-Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF) leader Arshdeep Singh alias Arsh Dala.


As per HT reports, Interpol has issued red notices against Gurpinder Singh alias Baba Dalla, Gurjit Singh Cheema, Landa, Dala, Satwinderjeet Singh alias Goldy Brar, and Malkit Singh Fauji, among others. In addition, it also issued blue notices against six Khalistani gangsters in Canada.

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A senior officer informed the Hindustan Times that Canada which is a member of Interpol has disregarded the red notices. In total, there are 21 Canada-based gangsters who are wanted by the Indian agencies.

During the director general-inspector general (DG/IG) conference of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) this year, Indian counterterrorism officials had informed the government that Khalistanis based in Canada were using tactics like letters to politicians there, creating signature campaigns, forcing debates in legislatures, and calling for punitive measures against India, HT reported.


It is believed that the Sikhs for Justice, run by Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, is behind these activities. The pro-Khalistani organization has already been banned by the Indian government.

Punjab police analysis, seen by HT, suggested that more than 200 families received financial assistance from SFJ.

 

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China's unprecedented economic crisis worries the rest of the world

After years of exceptional growth built on local government and private-sector debt, the world's second-largest economy is facing the bursting of its real estate bubble and a severe slowdown.

By Simon Leplâtre(Shanghai (China) correspondent)
Published on August 20, 2023, at 2:56 am (Paris), updated on August 20, 2023, at 2:58 am

Is the Chinese economy on the brink of collapse? In a matter of only two weeks, bad news has been piling up for the world's second-largest economy: Exports fell by 14.5% in July, major property developers defaulted and went bankrupt, and the country entered deflation territory.

As a sign that the situation is serious, the Chinese government is doing its utmost to hide the difficulties: Economists have been asked to talk only about good news, and the National Bureau of Statistics has stopped publishing figures for youth unemployment, which broke a record in June, reaching 21.3%. On the ground in China, it's hard to find employers who are optimistic about the state of their sector. With little confidence in the future, households are saving more than they spend.
 

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Nijjar’s citizenship in Canada is strange. There’s some “inconsistencies” for sure.

From the link quoted that you posted dated Thursday 09.21.23:

No details shared by Canada over Nijjar's killing: New Delhi​


The Indian foreign ministry, on Thursday (September 21), said that no evidence had been provided by Justin Trudeau's administration over Nijjar's killing.

"We are willing to look at “any” specific information that is provided to us, but so far we have received no specific information from Canada," Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said on Thursday answering queries.

"From our side, specific evidence about criminal activities by individuals based on Canadian soil has been shared with Canada but not acted upon…Yes, I do think there is a degree of prejudice here. They have made allegations and taken action against them. To us, it seems that these allegations by the government of Canada are primarily politically driven," Bagchi added.

A diplomatic standoff erupted between India and Canada after PM Trudeau suggested in his address to the House of Commons that India “might” be linked to the death of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil.
India-Canada News: Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar was not the only one against whom the Indian government sought information or action under the 1987 extradition treaty and the 1998 mutual legal assistance treaty or through Interpol.
I don’t even pretend to be knowledgable here. I’m just not, but there’s some stinkiness that it doesn’t take an expert to sniff out going on.
India has provided Canada with a list of 43 individuals as far back as the 2018 Tickle-Trunk Tour and Canada’s done nothing with that either as far as I can tell.
Personally, I’d never even heard of the term Khalistan a week ago in all honesty.
In 2022, Punjab Police approached Canadian authorities seeking Nijjar's extradition to India. However, the extradition request was nullified after his death in June this year, according to a report published by Hindustan Times.
Weird how that works. I wonder if that’s what was overheard in the diplomatic scuttlebutt that was electronically, eavesdropped upon by some unnamed member of the 5Eyes that’s anonymous?
A senior officer informed the Hindustan Times that Canada which is a member of Interpol has disregarded the red notices. In total, there are 21 Canada-based gangsters who are wanted by the Indian agencies.
Definitely some selective weirdness.
They have the warrants, the who, communications between the who and inside witnesses on the who.
They being India? The who being who? What warrants? Where is this coming from? What source? Got a link? Names?

I’ve heard that the CBC was leaked “by unnamed sources” meaning the Liberal government that electronic eavesdropping of diplomats happened….But not the contents of the conversation, etc…so we’re still at zero. We’re still at zero beyond allegations with no corroborating evidence.
After years of exceptional growth built on local government and private-sector debt, the world's second-largest economy is facing the bursting of its real estate bubble and a severe slowdown.
When the US real estate Bubble burst in ‘08/‘09, it had global financial ripples. The Trucking Company I was with went from 56 trucks to 4 trucks, and I went Plumbing for part of a year & then Gravel Crushing for several years after that. I remember it well…
As a sign that the situation is serious, the Chinese government is doing its utmost to hide the difficulties: Economists have been asked to talk only about good news, and the National Bureau of Statistics has stopped publishing figures for youth unemployment, which broke a record in June, reaching 21.3%. On the ground in China, it's hard to find employers who are optimistic about the state of their sector. With little confidence in the future, households are saving more than they spend.
Households in China are still able to save more money than they spend? Sounds like they need some carbon taxes at every level to stimulate their economy. How many Canadian households are in a position to save more than they spend for perspective?
This is disturbing. What do you think is the Canadian government’s motivation?
 

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Nijjar’s citizenship in Canada is strange. There’s some “inconsistencies” for sure.

From the link quoted that you posted dated Thursday 09.21.23:

No details shared by Canada over Nijjar's killing: New Delhi​


The Indian foreign ministry, on Thursday (September 21), said that no evidence had been provided by Justin Trudeau's administration over Nijjar's killing.

"We are willing to look at “any” specific information that is provided to us, but so far we have received no specific information from Canada," Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said on Thursday answering queries.

"From our side, specific evidence about criminal activities by individuals based on Canadian soil has been shared with Canada but not acted upon…Yes, I do think there is a degree of prejudice here. They have made allegations and taken action against them. To us, it seems that these allegations by the government of Canada are primarily politically driven," Bagchi added.

A diplomatic standoff erupted between India and Canada after PM Trudeau suggested in his address to the House of Commons that India “might” be linked to the death of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil.

I don’t even pretend to be knowledgable here. I’m just not, but there’s some stinkiness that it doesn’t take an expert to sniff out going on.

Personally, I’d never even heard of the term Khalistan a week ago in all honesty.

Weird how that works. I wonder if that’s what was overheard in the diplomatic scuttlebutt that was electronically, eavesdropped upon by some unnamed member of the 5Eyes that’s anonymous?

Definitely some selective weirdness.

They being India? The who being who? What warrants? Where is this coming from? What source? Got a link? Names?

I’ve heard that the CBC was leaked “by unnamed sources” meaning the Liberal government that electronic eavesdropping of diplomats happened….But not the contents of the conversation, etc…so we’re still at zero. We’re still at zero beyond allegations with no corroborating evidence.

When the US real estate Bubble burst in ‘08/‘09, it had global financial ripples. The Trucking Company I was with went from 56 trucks to 4 trucks, and I went Plumbing for part of a year & then Gravel Crushing for several years after that. I remember it well…

Households in China are still able to save more money than they spend? Sounds like they need some carbon taxes at every level to stimulate their economy. How many Canadian households are in a position to save more than they spend for perspective?

This is disturbing. What do you think is the Canadian government’s motivation?


When was the last time you we're on the w. coast?