Scheer going to India to 'repair' relationship after 'disastrous' Trudeau trip

Ron in Regina

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the House of Commons Monday that Canadian national-security authorities have what they consider credible intelligence that India was behind the mid-June fatal shooting of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a prominent Sikh leader in British Columbia designated a terrorist by New Delhi and part of a separatist movement seeking an autonomous state for adherents of Sikhism.

Mr. Trudeau said he informed opposition leaders before telling Canadians that India was responsible for this assassination but he did not provide further detail, which he raised personally “in no uncertain terms” with Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the G20 summit in New Delhi last week.
Canada is home to about 770,000 people who reported Sikhism as their religion in the last census. Some support the Sikh independence movement, which seeks to create a sovereign homeland known as Khalistan from the state of Punjab in northern India. The Indian government fiercely opposes this.

770,000 Sikhs is a higher %’age (at 1.9%) of our population than Canada’ contribution to global climate change emissions (at 1.6%) and Whacking someone in our backyard isn’t good neighbourly policy. Yes the Khalistan movement is centred in Canada, but come on already….totally not cool India.
 

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The Indian government denies all responsibility for the Nijjar shooting and argues Ottawa’s investigation has been misled by accusations from Canadians Sikhs involved with the Khalistan separatist movement, according to another source. The source said India views allegations it killed Mr. Nijjar as unfounded, likening it to false claims by the U.S. administration of former president George W. Bush that Iraq’s leader Saddam Hussein had developed weapons of mass destruction.
 

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Nijjar and his gang are terrorists and the Deader the Better.
A 2016 Interpol notice alleged that Nijjar was a “key conspirator” in the 2007 bombing of a cinema in Punjab. Nijjar was also accused of recruiting and fundraising, a charge that he denied, according to Global News.

The Indian Gov’t could have enacted an extradition order…(?)… as opposed to having him shot on Canadian soil, if indeed, that’s what happened.
So….what are the credible allegations of the link to the Indian government??? That would be important at this point….
 

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Trudeau claimed in Parliament on Monday that Canadian authorities had been investigating “credible allegations” of a potential link between “agents of the government of India” and the killing of Nijjar, a Sikh Canadian citizen who was gunned down by masked men in June.
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Canadian police have not arrested anyone in connection with Nijjar’s murder. But in an August update, police said they were investigating three suspects and issued a description of a possible getaway vehicle.

Canada’s allegations come days after Modi hosted world leaders including US President Joe Biden, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australia’s Anthony Albanese for the G20 summit in New Delhi.

Each of those countries has a sizable Sikh population and are keen for warm relations with New Delhi, in part as a buttress against the growing assertiveness of China.

However, those three key allies of Canada issued statements that indicated some support for Trudeau’s decision to go public with his concerns.

The White House is “deeply concerned” about the allegations, National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said, adding it was “critical that Canada’s investigations proceed and the perpetrators be brought to justice.”

A spokesperson for Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said the country is also “deeply concerned.”

“We understand these reports will be particularly concerning to some Australian communities,” a statement said. “The Indian diaspora are valued and important contributors to our vibrant and resilient multicultural society, where all Australians can peacefully and safely express their views.”

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for the British prime minister said, “It’s right that the Canadian authorities are looking into (the matter), but I’m not going to get ahead of that work that needs to take place now.”

Kugelman said Canada would’ve “gone through a very extensive process” to investigate the allegations. “It counts on very close intelligence relationships with the US and the UK and Australia among others,” he said.

Kugelman added it was “notable” that Canada is a member of the “so-called” Five Eyes, an intelligence pact that also includes the United States, Britain and Australia and New Zealand.

“Indeed, one would think that Canada would’ve had to undertake a significant, careful investigation before being willing and comfortable to make these allegations public,” he added.

"Such unsubstantiated allegations seek to shift the focus from Khalistani terrorists and extremists, who have been provided shelter in Canada and continue to threaten India's sovereignty and territorial integrity," India's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "The inaction of the Canadian Government on this matter has been a long-standing and continuing concern."

Isn’t this the situation where nations have Diplomats…to address things like this while they’re still “unsubstantiated allegations” instead of Trudeau on Twitter fishing for soundbites because his polling numbers are in the toilet? Seeing as that Diplomatic Option was not pursued….Isn’t it time to “Substantiate these Allegations” so we as a Nation look less Clownish? Stick some Proof out there….’cuz what’s happening now isn’t good.

Mr. Nijjar was shot in June near the Sikh temple that he led. While investigators from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police later said he had been ambushed by masked men, they did not disclose if the attack had been politically motivated.

Mr. Trudeau rejected India’s denial on Tuesday morning. “We are not looking to provoke or escalate,” he told reporters in Ottawa before flying to New York for the United Nations General Assembly. “We are simply laying out the facts (without laying out any facts) as we understand them, and we want to work with the government of India.” (???)
 

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Trudeau claimed in Parliament on Monday that Canadian authorities had been investigating “credible allegations” of a potential link between “agents of the government of India” and the killing of Nijjar, a Sikh Canadian citizen who was gunned down by masked men in June.
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Canadian police have not arrested anyone in connection with Nijjar’s murder. But in an August update, police said they were investigating three suspects and issued a description of a possible getaway vehicle.

Canada’s allegations come days after Modi hosted world leaders including US President Joe Biden, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australia’s Anthony Albanese for the G20 summit in New Delhi.

Each of those countries has a sizable Sikh population and are keen for warm relations with New Delhi, in part as a buttress against the growing assertiveness of China.

However, those three key allies of Canada issued statements that indicated some support for Trudeau’s decision to go public with his concerns.

The White House is “deeply concerned” about the allegations, National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said, adding it was “critical that Canada’s investigations proceed and the perpetrators be brought to justice.”

A spokesperson for Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said the country is also “deeply concerned.”

“We understand these reports will be particularly concerning to some Australian communities,” a statement said. “The Indian diaspora are valued and important contributors to our vibrant and resilient multicultural society, where all Australians can peacefully and safely express their views.”

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for the British prime minister said, “It’s right that the Canadian authorities are looking into (the matter), but I’m not going to get ahead of that work that needs to take place now.”

Kugelman said Canada would’ve “gone through a very extensive process” to investigate the allegations. “It counts on very close intelligence relationships with the US and the UK and Australia among others,” he said.

Kugelman added it was “notable” that Canada is a member of the “so-called” Five Eyes, an intelligence pact that also includes the United States, Britain and Australia and New Zealand.

“Indeed, one would think that Canada would’ve had to undertake a significant, careful investigation before being willing and comfortable to make these allegations public,” he added.

"Such unsubstantiated allegations seek to shift the focus from Khalistani terrorists and extremists, who have been provided shelter in Canada and continue to threaten India's sovereignty and territorial integrity," India's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "The inaction of the Canadian Government on this matter has been a long-standing and continuing concern."

Isn’t this the situation where nations have Diplomats…to address things like this while they’re still “unsubstantiated allegations” instead of Trudeau on Twitter fishing for soundbites because his polling numbers are in the toilet? Seeing as that Diplomatic Option was not pursued….Isn’t it time to “Substantiate these Allegations” so we as a Nation look less Clownish? Stick some Proof out there….’cuz what’s happening now isn’t good.

Mr. Nijjar was shot in June near the Sikh temple that he led. While investigators from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police later said he had been ambushed by masked men, they did not disclose if the attack had been politically motivated.

Mr. Trudeau rejected India’s denial on Tuesday morning. “We are not looking to provoke or escalate,” he told reporters in Ottawa before flying to New York for the United Nations General Assembly. “We are simply laying out the facts (without laying out any facts) as we understand them, and we want to work with the government of India.” (???)
The only way to make such a statement with full support of the house is to have hard evidence.

At this point it's not allegations.
 
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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said that the murder of an Indian separatist leader in the other country is ‘extremely serious’. The remarks came mere hours after the lawmaker asserted that "credible allegations" linked Indian agents to the June slaying of Hardeep Singh Nijjar. New Delhi has however dismissed the Canadian government's accusations as ‘absurd’.
Canadian police have not arrested anyone in connection with Nijjar’s murder. But in an August update, police said they were investigating three suspects and issued a description of a possible getaway vehicle.
As the world reeled in shock over Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s charge that India orchestrated the extrajudicial murder of a separatist leader, media outlets in the South Asian country went into attack mode.

Leading dailies questioned the veracity of Canada’s claim that Indian government agents assassinated a prominent Sikh leader on Canadian soil. Many articles criticized Trudeau, in particular, questioning why his government had yet to release evidence — and appearing to side with India’s unequivocal rejection of the allegation.
Mr. Nijjar was shot in June near the Sikh temple that he led. While investigators from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police later said he had been ambushed by masked men, they did not disclose if the attack had been politically motivated.
“For Mr. Trudeau, the priority must be to publicly prove his very serious allegations, or admit he is unable to," the Hindu newspaper said in an editorial published early Wednesday. “New Delhi must also consider how it wishes to proceed on its ties with Canada."
Mr. Trudeau rejected India’s denial on Tuesday morning. “We are not looking to provoke or escalate,” he told reporters in Ottawa before flying to New York for the United Nations General Assembly. “We are simply laying out the facts (without laying out any facts) as we understand them, and we want to work with the government of India.” (???)
The only way to make such a statement with full support of the house is to have hard evidence.

At this point it's not allegations.
Have you heard of any hard evidence? I haven’t been able to find anything about any hard evidence. If Trudeau is going to go public, then he needs to go public with ‘something’ instead of what’s currently happening.

Canada's minister of emergency preparedness says the prime minister publicly implicated India in the murder of a Canadian citizen because he learned the story was going to come out in the media.
 
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Have you heard of any hard evidence? I haven’t been able to find anything about any hard evidence. If Trudeau is going to go public, then he needs to go public with ‘something’ instead of what’s currently happening.
I heard a US intelligence guy say Canada has hard evidence.
 

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I heard a US intelligence guy say Canada has hard evidence.
Did he say what that might be? I’ve heard that the member countries of the “Five Eyes” intelligence, sharing community or deeply concerned? But that’s about it.

Not much is clear after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s stunning speech in the House of Commons that linked agents of the government of India with the June murder in B.C. of Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

But it is apparent that there will be implications from this complete breach of relations for years to come. So, there goes Canada’s Indo-Pacific strategy, the much-vaunted plan to counter an increasingly quarrelsome China by improving relations with democracies in the region like… India.

In marked contrast with his approach to making public intelligence about Chinese interference in Canada, Trudeau chose to make his statement in the heart of Canadian democracy, the most public of all venues….but without public proof. Pick a lane.
He (Trudeau) said the complicity of a foreign government in the murder of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil is an unacceptable violation of sovereignty, which clearly it would be if the prime minister’s allegations stand up.

But just as he urged Canadians not to rely on what he called inaccurate intelligence information leaked to the media earlier this year about China, it would be prudent not to rush to judgment now…(like he’s already publicly done)…
 
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Did he say what that might be? I’ve heard that the member countries of the “Five Eyes” intelligence, sharing community or deeply concerned? But that’s about it.

Not much is clear after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s stunning speech in the House of Commons that linked agents of the government of India with the June murder in B.C. of Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

But it is apparent that there will be implications from this complete breach of relations for years to come. So, there goes Canada’s Indo-Pacific strategy, the much-vaunted plan to counter an increasingly quarrelsome China by improving relations with democracies in the region like… India.

In marked contrast with his approach to making public intelligence about Chinese interference in Canada, Trudeau chose to make his statement in the heart of Canadian democracy, the most public of all venues….but without public proof. Pick a lane.
Didn't say anything beyond that statement.
 

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PP Singh or Blanchet wouldn't have gone along without proof. Full house.
PP in the media said that he doesn’t know anything more about this than what has been announced in the media. This is a weird…whatever it is.

Trudeau had no choice but to raise the issue with Modi in private “IF” the evidence of Indian involvement is conclusive. Whether he needed to raise the matter in Parliament, particularly without presenting the evidence, is another matter.

All of the friction in the relationship, going back at least to Trudeau’s father’s time, has stemmed from what the Indian government’s statement referred to as “the inaction” of successive Canadian governments when it comes to Sikh extremism.

The Times of India claimed he (Nijjar) ran terror training camps in Mission, B.C., yet he does not appear to have been arrested or charged with anything in Canada. Is that because he is completely innocent, as his supporters claim, or because, as Indian ministers allege, the federal government’s indifference is inspired by “vote-bank politics”? Canada’s 800,000 Sikhs are a decisive voting constituency in B.C.’s Lower Mainland and the Greater Toronto Area.

Canada has a proud tradition of freedom of speech (Honk! Honk!) and expression but that does not extend to organizing terror training camps. If that allegation is true, Canada is indeed sheltering terrorists.

If this government has been playing footsie with extremist elements in exchange for their votes, it is not worthy of the office it holds.
 
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