Saskatchewan teachers to walkout Thursday

[Tonington]

You're changing the subject.

How so? I am disagreeing with Jack's characterization of unionized workers. You brought up the conditions of his narrow sphere, I mentioned mine. When you use a narrow filter to characterize a population, the likelihood of making wrong statements, such as Jack's, is much greater.

But if you insist, I will forever more regard you as "THE lowest form of life", as Jack says you are.

 

[JLM]

It's okay. Yukon Jack mised out on the history of labour in Canada and what it was like before men and women got sick and tired of working for nothing and being beaten or shot.

It was also unionized labour that ended the Soviet Union but lets just ignore that too.

I thought it was Ronnie Reagan.............."tear down that wall"..........oh maybe that was E and W Germany.

How so? I am disagreeing with Jack's characterization of unionized workers. You brought up the conditions of his narrow sphere, I mentioned mine. When you use a narrow filter to characterize a population, the likelihood of making wrong statements, such as Jack's, is much greater.

But if you insist, I will forever more regard you as "THE lowest form of life", as Jack says you are.

I guess I must have missed the post where he called me that. I don't think it was the unionized "workers" that Jack was denigrating, it was more likely the union exec.

 

[petros]

I thought it was Ronnie Reagan.............."tear down that wall"..........oh maybe that was E and W Germany.



I guess I must have missed the post where he called me that. I don't think it was the unionized "workers" that Jack was denigrating, it was more likely the union exec.

Sorry. Nope. It wasn't Ronnie Raygun it was unions.

 

[JLM]

Sorry. Nope. It wasn't Ronnie Raygun it was unions.

OK..

 

[petros]

Coal miners to be precise.

In other parts of the Soviet block there were others.

Remember this from Poland just before the wall came down?

It doesn't say "Hooray for Ronald Reagan"

 

[JLM]

Coal miners to be precise.

In other parts of the Soviet block there were others.

Remember this from Poland just before the wall came down?

It doesn't say "Hooray for Ronald Reagan"

And here I always thought Reagan was the greatest since Truman! Actually I still think he might be. :lol:

 

[petros]

He had his good points and he had his bad but when it comes to E. European history, the people wrote it on their own.

 

[Tonington]

I guess I must have missed the post where he called me that. I don't think it was the unionized "workers" that Jack was denigrating, it was more likely the union exec.

Maybe you ought to read more carefully then, before hitting reply to a long post. An assembly line worker is a union worker too. As are teachers.

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And who is a unionist? THE real lowest form of a miserable life. A person who has absolutely no clue about his own worth and demands champagne and caviar wages for beer and peanuts work. The person who in his delusion thinks that being a flesh and blood, but brainless automoton on an assembly line deserves and is worth what no person with logical brain would ever thinks he deserves. A unionist is a person, who is basically gutless and brainless to speak and act for himself and needs the mob behind him with the threats and acts of violence against everyone that disagrees with him. A unionist would rather see his job going to China or India than realize that he is not worth anywhere near as much as he thinks he is.

And the saddest thing is that the cancer of unionism affected and contaminated people who are dedicated to their craft and consider it more than just a JOB, indeed a profession and a calling.
I am willing to bet that a teacher that feels that teaching is his CALLING, that teaching the next generation, would be selfless and honest enough not to have no part of a union. Just let them have SECRET vote, truly an anathema to unionist bullies.

Unfortunately, two months of vacation is tempting enough to say, screw it all. And then go and teach the kids to do and say the same.

Personally, I worked through several strikes in my 37+ years of employment, so feel free and call me a SCAB.

I always negotiated my own pay. When I left the company through retirement I knew that I can always come back and shake the hands of the employees who are still there and knew about me.

 

[taxslave]

Are they paid according to the rise of cost of living in Saskatchewan? Being paid 20% less than Alberta's teachers, when taxes are higher in Sask, and cost of living jumped up to nearly on par with ours, seems pretty freaking low. 5.5% doesn't sound like much of an improvement, given that in the three years they're planning that increase, it will still probably just bring them to 20% below Alberta.

People like to whine and bitch about the teachers but I'd challenge any of you to sit in my kids' classes and not go completely insane. If we want quality teachers, it starts with quality pay.

Unfortunately many of them are not quality teachers but they get the same pay anyway.
So they want a one time 12% raise this year and next year and the year after........

 

[petros]

Maybe we should leave education up to the Jesuits again?

 

[JLM]

Maybe you ought to read more carefully then, before hitting reply to a long post. An assembly line worker is a union worker too. As are teachers.

I don't think so.................was it the "working" assy line workers and the "working" teachers or wasn't it the drones, parasite and sh*t disturbers? :lol:

 

[TenPenny]

I thought it was Ronnie Reagan.............."tear down that wall"..........oh maybe that was E and W Germany.

That statement was made long after the events were unstoppable.
I'm still amazed that people believe that was a meaningful statement. Always reminded me of the cartoon strip 'Wizard of Id', where the wizard was standing on the beach, saying, I'm going to make the tide come in if it takes me all day'.

 

[Tonington]

I don't think so.................was it the "working" assy line workers and the "working" teachers or wasn't it the drones, parasite and sh*t disturbers? :lol:

I'll go with the words Jack actually used, instead of the words you wish he had used.

 

[petros]

Everyone outside of a union works twice as hard and does twice the job for half the pay?

 

[JLM]

Unfortunately many of them are not quality teachers but they get the same pay anyway.
So they want a one time 12% raise this year and next year and the year after........

That was one (of many) problems I had with the union, I always prided myself at being among the best at my particular job (and the demand for my work bore that out) but when it came to pay I was categorized with people who had the same "job title", so only got paid according to the lowest common denominator.

 

[petros]

Were you paid poorly?

 

[JLM]

Were you paid poorly?

Less than I'd have got if paid by "piece work", or was paid by people who knew my product.

Everyone outside of a union works twice as hard and does twice the job for half the pay?

Not necessarily!

 

[petros]

So you weren't paid poorly?

Did you get benefits? Pension? Mobilty?

Open Shop? Closed Shop?

 

[JLM]

Maybe we should leave education up to the Jesuits again?

Sounds good..................as long as they don't molest kids. :smile:

 

[petros]

Less than I'd have got if paid by "piece work", or was paid by people who knew my product.



Not necessarily!

So then point out someone who does twice the work, twice the quality at half the pay.