Saskatchewan teachers to walkout Thursday

JLM

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Lazy? For somebody who had the way paved for him on the blood and sweat of other Canadians you have absolutely no place to comment or tear down what somebody sacrificed to make YOUR life better. You have absolutely no respect for the people who built this country and that is despicable.

Don't get excited, Petros, like any other organization, it cuts across all segments of society. Unions served a good purpose in their day, but a lot of the draconian practices of employers are minimal now as employers know they have to have happy employees if they want to compete. There are practices of some unions that gall me too, it's not just Y.J. you know stuff like having to shut down a job for half an hour to wait for an electrician to show up to put a face plate on a light switch, while half a dozen carpenters with screw drivers have to sit on their ass.
 

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So you are back to the tried and true, aren't you petros?

Instead of giving me an example of any what I asked you, you come back with personal attack.
Yes I am. This is my country not yours and it's my job to protect what my forefathers built up and fought tooth and nail to achieve. If you don't like equality go back where you came from but you won't because it's a ****hole and you know it.

If you don't like the way things work in this country go find one that you'll like.
 

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Guess what. They are behind them too. Kids will be picketing along side their teachers.

Is that kinda like the kids who are baking cookies in lieu of class for the teachers' PD day?

The SK Govt made a big mistake and dropped education taxes on farmland to get elected and are expecting the teachers and urbanites to pay for it. There was a big stink at election time that this very scenario was going to unfold and it did and people aren't happy and support the teachers in the Province.

Education is one of the 2 ministries that account for over 70% of any provinces spending. That isn't sustainable in any way, shape or form. At some point, the costs have to be justified and that will include a critical analysis of the individual components.

As it stands, the teachers bear some of the blame in this issue as well. All of this crying about wanting to "participate in the booming economy" falls on deaf ears when, as a union, they don't participate in the hurt nearly as much when times are tough. AB went through this some years back when the ATA demanded a big raise based on the notion that Nurses got one.
 

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petros, this is your country because you had the blind and dumb luck to be born here.

Canada is my country, because when I was given a chance, I CHOSE her to be my country. And when Canada granted me citizenship (probably before you were born) Canada said: Welcome and disregard any yahoos in the future who tell you to go back where you came from.

I paid my dues and taxes here, enough to take your childish outburst at face value.

P.S. You are NOT going on my ignore list. You ARE far too much fun.
 

JLM

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petros, this is your country because you had the blind and dumb luck to be born here.

Canada is my country, because when I was given a chance, I CHOSE her to be my country. And when Canada granted me citizenship (probably before you were born) Canada said: Welcome and disregard any yahoos in the future who tell you to go back where you came from.

I paid my dues and taxes here, enough to take your childish outburst at face value.

P.S. You are NOT going on my ignore list. You ARE far too much fun.

There's enough room in this country for most people that are law abiding...................even cranky old curmudgeons. :lol:
 

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There is no reason for this discussion to be about the individuals discussing it. Discuss unions, or teachers, or government, or whether or not striking should be allowed. The person discussing the opinions is NOT up for debate.

If your ability to discuss has evaporated to the point of telling people to take a flying leap, then please exit the thread and find one which you can discuss.
 

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but a lot of the draconian practices of employers are minimal now as employers know they have to have happy employees if they want to compete.

Walmart competes just fine with high turnover rates and unhappy employees.
 

JLM

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Walmart competes just fine with high turnover rates and unhappy employees.

I've found, generally speaking, unhappy employees are unhappy people. I've seen plenty of miserable employees who earn $25 an hour and some who are happy as a pig in sh*t who earn $10. Why would a person persist at a job where they are paid so much less than what they are worth?
 

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Why would a person persist at a job where they are paid so much less than what they are worth?

Because they have bills to pay? That's one reason. My point is, that employers do not need to keep employees happy to be competitive, as a rule. It certainly doesn't hurt to have happy employees, but this is hardly a reason to be complacent about the different concerns between employers and employees, or the gains that have been made for workers.
 

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There is plenty of blame to go around relative to this issue and not limited only to the Minister of Education.

The forgotten group that does most of the bitching are the families and the actual students themselves. It's not uncommon for a segment of the parents to treat the education system as a state-sponsored day care system of which they expect everything and play no role whatsoever. This is not to say that no one else is without blame, both the gvt authority and groups like the ATA are also deeply at fault in this debacle as well.

In the end, as per the Alberta experience, the best thing that has developed from the education system is the evolution of the Charter and private school systems

Actually you are not very far off the mark regarding your comment on the schools as daycare centres. One of my colleagues was fond of stating that teachers should "Never underestimate the importance of their custodial role."

You are accurate in assessing what many parents and students value about the educational system. A case in point was a strike by a large number of Alberta teachers in the 1990s. I won't go into the details of the dispute as that is not what I am addressing here. Suffice to say that the teachers were ordered back to work by the government with the dispute unresolved. The teachers retaliated by withdrawing all voluntary services. In other words they showed up for work at 8:15 am and departed at 03:45 pm. They refused to participate in any extracurricular activities, including coaching, drama, and many other after-school activities. The response from the public was so strong that teachers were left wondering why they had bothered to go on strike in the first place. Refusing to coach basketball turned out to be far more effective. The government caved in within three weeks.

However, you are overstating the importance of so called Charter Schools and private schools. First of all any school can nominate itself as a Charter School. It simply has to state a goal and then work toward that goal. An example would be a school that declares itself a Charter School and adopts "academic excellence" as its goal. Since that is something all schools do anyway it really does not have to change a thing about the way it operates. In the United States the attempt to replace public schools with schools run under private contract have been disastrous with the quality of education plummeting for the students involved.

Private schools in Alberta have very little impact on the system as there so few of them. In fact private schools are a drain on the system to some extent in that they receive full pupil funding from the government and can still demand fees from the children sent to them. This gives such schools an advantage in the purchase of equipment and also gives the parents of these children a nice tax deduction. This means, of course, that other taxpayers have to make up the shortfall in taxes not paid by these parents.

The fact that so few students in Alberta (and Canada in general) send their children to private schools is also interesting. In the USA private schools account for about 25% of all schools; in Canada only about 6%. It is generally acknowledged that the existence of private schools is an indicator of satisfaction or dissatisfaction in the public system. It would seem that in Canada public schools are held in higher regard than in the United States and there is a good reason for that in that Canadian students generally outpoint American students in international testing.
 
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Wal*Mart is China's retail outlet. Do you want a toxic, low quality, disposible education for your child?
 
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I don't want Walmart employees in charge of my son's education, do you?

We weren't talking about teachers. When you jump in the middle of conversations you tend to miss important details such as what the conversation is about.

That depends, he may learn a lot about work ethic from them. :lol:

I worked in shipping and receiving at a Zellers before I decided to go to university. I worked for a landscaping company in Calgary during my summer break from university, where my work days were 7 am to 8 pm, with one half hour break all day. I don't need lessons from anyone on work ethic. My father taught me all I need to know about that.
 

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Tonington;1432849[B said:
]We weren't talking about teachers[/B]. When you jump in the middle of conversations you tend to miss important details such as what the conversation is about.



I worked in shipping and receiving at a Zellers before I decided to go to university. I worked for a landscaping company in Calgary during my summer break from university, where my work days were 7 am to 8 pm, with one half hour break all day. I don't need lessons from anyone on work ethic. My father taught me all I need to know about that.

I was under the impression this thread is about teachers. So..................... I worked for a seismograph outfit out of Calgary where we worked 10 hours days with no breaks.............lunch and coffee were on the fly, but that suited me fine, got paid while eating lunch and drinking coffee. Young kids nowadays find a lot to whine about. :smile:
 

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How is that different from what they get now?
it is completely different

We weren't talking about teachers. When you jump in the middle of conversations you tend to miss important details such as what the conversation is about.

as long as you weren't trying to make a point about walmart that you later wanted to apply to the teachers, I'll accept that you weren't talking about the teachers.