Where is the proof pal????
That was a brit done murder with crap from the lab at portland down.
Russia demands access to nerve agent in ex-spy case standoff
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Where is the proof pal????
That was a brit done murder with crap from the lab at portland down.
You don't have any such thing.
And you don't have any proof that May is a genocidal liar.
Britain actually sold arms to Saudi Arabia for the Saudis to use as they see fit.
Prove it
Your thread, YOUR PROOF, and you obviously don't have any.
HaHa...
Now everyone can see that.
Prove it
The Saudis, like all countries, are free to use their armed forces in a way they see fit.
And if it wasn't the British selling the Saudis their accurate, precise, laser-guided weapons then the Saudis would likely buy inaccurate and indiscriminate weapons from the Russians instead.
Where's your proof that the British Government has no proof that the Russians were behind the Soviet-made Novichok (Newcomer) nerve agent attack in Salisbury? Where's your proof that the British Government is lying? I don't think you have any.
The Russians will test the residue samples in their doping lab in Sochi.
PREDICTION: They will be found to be 100% harmless.
PREDICTION: They will be found to be 100% harmless.
In a strange coincidence, Porton Down, the defence facility where Britain created its own chemical weapons, and where a new £48 million chemical weapons defence centre is to be situated, is located just five miles from Salisbury.
They would do a careful analysis (Russian government chemists only, no observers) and come up with the amazing revelation (report redacted) that it was an AMERICAN nerve toxin!
Putin has learned well from Truman, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."
“France agrees with the United Kingdom that there is no other plausible explanation and reiterates its solidarity with its ally.”
Investigations by military experts at the Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down identified the substance used as from a group of nerve agents known as “Novichoks”, roughly translating as “newcomer” in Russian.
No details of the chemical analysis have been provided publicly but samples are being sent to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) for verification.
Why has the British Government named Russia as the culprit?
Briefing the UN Security Council on Wednesday, British ambassador Jonathan Allen said Novichok was “not a weapon which can be manufactured by non-state actors”.
“It is so dangerous that it requires the highest-grade state laboratories and expertise,” he added.
“Based on the knowledge that Russia has previously produced this agent and combined with Russia’s record of conducting state sponsored assassinations – including against former intelligence officers whom they regard as legitimate targets – the UK Government concluded that it was highly likely that Russia was responsible for this reckless act.”
Why is the UK accusing Russia of launching a nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal in Salisbury, and what is the evidence? | The Independent
This is the big catch-22 for the Brits on this file.
The evidence is the actual nerve agent.
If the Brits were to release that info to the Russians and it was not their product, they would then have a new toxin at their disposal and possibly the results point to a different national agency
The other side is that if it is their product, then as the Russians already know the detailed info and there is no more for them to gain
Russia is playing the game well
May says Britain will 'consider our next steps' after Putin's expulsion of 23 UK diplomats from Moscow adding that 'we will never tolerate threat to life on British soil' as tit-for-tat spy poisoning row deepens
Speaking today at the Conservative Party Spring Forum, the Prime Minster said 'we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government'
Theresa May says Britain will 'consider its next steps' after Russia vowed to expel 23 British diplomats.
Speaking today at the Conservative Party Spring Forum, the Prime Minster said 'we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government'.
She added that 'Russian aggression is the very antithesis of the liberal and democratic values that define the United Kingdom'.
Her comments are likely to deepen diplomatic tensions between Britain and Russia which have intensified during the Salisbury spy poisoning stand-off.
Russia's decision to expel diplomats came after the Prime Minister expelled 23 Russian diplomats from the UK who she said were 'undeclared intelligence officers' earlier this week.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that it is ordering the closure of the British Council in Russia, which promotes British culture.
It will also be ending an agreement to reopen the British consulate in St Petersburg.
If Britain makes any more 'unfriendly' moves the government could take further measures, the statement said.
Britain's Foreign Office has said the Government 'anticipated a response of this kind and the National Security Council will meet early next week to consider next steps'.
Addressing the audience at the Conservative Spring Forum, Theresa May said: 'Today our ambassador in Moscow was informed by the Russian government of the action they are taking in response.
'In light of their previous behaviour we anticipated a response of this kind and we will consider our next steps in the coming days alongside our allies and partners.
'But Russia's response doesn't change the facts of the matter - the attempted assassination of two people on British soil for which there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian state was culpable.
'It is Russia that is in flagrant breach of international law and Chemical Weapons Convention.
'I repeat today that we have no disagreement with the Russian people. Many Russians have made this country their home and those who abide our laws and make a contribution to our society will always be welcome.
'But we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government.'
She continued: 'We can be reassured by the strong support we have received from our friends and allies around the world.
'From the United States, Nato and the European Union. From our UN and Commonwealth partners. I'm grateful too for the strong support I've received from the first minsters of Scotland and Wales.
'And in the House of Commons this week we saw a consensus as member after member across all parties stood up to condemn Russia's actions and to support the position of Her Majesty's Government.
'Because this act of Russian aggression is the very antithesis of the liberal and democratic values that define the United Kingdom - the rule of law, freedom of speech, the toleration of dissenting and minority views, a free press, fair and democratic elections, a thriving civil society.
'These are the foundation stones of human freedom. They don't come about by accident and they're certainly not the default setting for any society.
'They take years of patient work to build up. They face constant threats and they must always be defined. They are the values which unite us as a country.'
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said on Friday it was 'overwhelmingly likely' that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the use of the nerve agent.
Speaking during a visit to the Battle of Britain Bunker museum in Uxbridge alongside the Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz (above), Mr Johnson said: 'Our quarrel is with Putin's Kremlin, and with his decision - and we think it overwhelmingly likely that it was his decision - to direct the use of a nerve agent on the streets of the UK, on the streets of Europe, for the first time since the Second World War.'
Echoing Mr Johnson's remarks, Mr Czaputowicz said: 'We are sure that it is the Russian state which is involved in this attempt. It is certain.'
British Foreign Office statement
'Our ambassador in Moscow has just been informed by the Russian government that they will expel 23 diplomats, close the British Consulate-General in St Petersburg and close the British Council in Moscow.
'This follows the action we have taken, alongside other measures, to dismantle the Russian espionage network operating in the UK as a consequence of the attempted assassination of two people here in Britain using a nerve agent.
'In light of Russia's previous behaviour, we anticipated a response of this kind and the National Security Council will meet early next week to consider next steps. Our priority today is looking after our staff in Russia and assisting those that will return to the UK.
'Russia's response doesn't change the facts of the matter - the attempted assassination of two people on British soil, for which there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian State was culpable. It is Russia that is in flagrant breach of international law and the Chemical Weapons Convention.
'We have no disagreement with the people of Russia and we continue to believe it is not in our national interest to break off all dialogue between our countries but the onus remains on the Russian state to account for their actions and to comply with their international obligations.'
Read more: Russia will expel 23 British diplomats during diplomatic stand-off | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Speaking today at the Conservative Party Spring Forum, the Prime Minster said 'we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government'
Theresa May says Britain will 'consider its next steps' after Russia vowed to expel 23 British diplomats.
Speaking today at the Conservative Party Spring Forum, the Prime Minster said 'we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government'.
She added that 'Russian aggression is the very antithesis of the liberal and democratic values that define the United Kingdom'.
Her comments are likely to deepen diplomatic tensions between Britain and Russia which have intensified during the Salisbury spy poisoning stand-off.
Russia's decision to expel diplomats came after the Prime Minister expelled 23 Russian diplomats from the UK who she said were 'undeclared intelligence officers' earlier this week.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that it is ordering the closure of the British Council in Russia, which promotes British culture.
It will also be ending an agreement to reopen the British consulate in St Petersburg.
If Britain makes any more 'unfriendly' moves the government could take further measures, the statement said.
Britain's Foreign Office has said the Government 'anticipated a response of this kind and the National Security Council will meet early next week to consider next steps'.
Addressing the audience at the Conservative Spring Forum, Theresa May said: 'Today our ambassador in Moscow was informed by the Russian government of the action they are taking in response.
'In light of their previous behaviour we anticipated a response of this kind and we will consider our next steps in the coming days alongside our allies and partners.
'But Russia's response doesn't change the facts of the matter - the attempted assassination of two people on British soil for which there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian state was culpable.
'It is Russia that is in flagrant breach of international law and Chemical Weapons Convention.
'I repeat today that we have no disagreement with the Russian people. Many Russians have made this country their home and those who abide our laws and make a contribution to our society will always be welcome.
'But we will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British soil from the Russian government.'
She continued: 'We can be reassured by the strong support we have received from our friends and allies around the world.
'From the United States, Nato and the European Union. From our UN and Commonwealth partners. I'm grateful too for the strong support I've received from the first minsters of Scotland and Wales.
'And in the House of Commons this week we saw a consensus as member after member across all parties stood up to condemn Russia's actions and to support the position of Her Majesty's Government.
'Because this act of Russian aggression is the very antithesis of the liberal and democratic values that define the United Kingdom - the rule of law, freedom of speech, the toleration of dissenting and minority views, a free press, fair and democratic elections, a thriving civil society.
'These are the foundation stones of human freedom. They don't come about by accident and they're certainly not the default setting for any society.
'They take years of patient work to build up. They face constant threats and they must always be defined. They are the values which unite us as a country.'
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said on Friday it was 'overwhelmingly likely' that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the use of the nerve agent.
Speaking during a visit to the Battle of Britain Bunker museum in Uxbridge alongside the Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz (above), Mr Johnson said: 'Our quarrel is with Putin's Kremlin, and with his decision - and we think it overwhelmingly likely that it was his decision - to direct the use of a nerve agent on the streets of the UK, on the streets of Europe, for the first time since the Second World War.'
Echoing Mr Johnson's remarks, Mr Czaputowicz said: 'We are sure that it is the Russian state which is involved in this attempt. It is certain.'
British Foreign Office statement
'Our ambassador in Moscow has just been informed by the Russian government that they will expel 23 diplomats, close the British Consulate-General in St Petersburg and close the British Council in Moscow.
'This follows the action we have taken, alongside other measures, to dismantle the Russian espionage network operating in the UK as a consequence of the attempted assassination of two people here in Britain using a nerve agent.
'In light of Russia's previous behaviour, we anticipated a response of this kind and the National Security Council will meet early next week to consider next steps. Our priority today is looking after our staff in Russia and assisting those that will return to the UK.
'Russia's response doesn't change the facts of the matter - the attempted assassination of two people on British soil, for which there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian State was culpable. It is Russia that is in flagrant breach of international law and the Chemical Weapons Convention.
'We have no disagreement with the people of Russia and we continue to believe it is not in our national interest to break off all dialogue between our countries but the onus remains on the Russian state to account for their actions and to comply with their international obligations.'
Read more: Russia will expel 23 British diplomats during diplomatic stand-off | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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In a real sense, I could care less as to whether Russia did it or not. And, we will never know as a certainty. I have learned over the past 70 years of my life to believe no government representative. Everybody has a axe to grind.
As I recall, George W. Bush is claimed to have lied 935 times,
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainmen...-of-George-W-Bush-Yes-you-already-3296633.php
I keep trying to figure out what the end result will be. And, in an historical sense, where we will be this time next year?
As the U.S. economy continues to crumble, the blame for the collapse must be placed upon external actors/demons and not because of the "Exceptional Leaders" of the "Perfect" - "Godly" - "Exceptional" America. were liars
If it is shown that it was because the American System itself was faulty, then the Ruling Class will never be able to control the population during or after the collapse of the empire.
After the collapse of empire, the Ruling Class must be able to pick up the pieces and continue to rule the country.
For the next short while, we can expect a parade of demons to be exalted upon the world stage as being responsible for the economic turmoil within the universe.
Within the next few months, there will be intense discussion towards cutting social programs in order to pay for the military excursions and The Ruling Class require a lengthy list of demons in order to justify the cuts.
As I recall, George W. Bush is claimed to have lied 935 times,
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainmen...-of-George-W-Bush-Yes-you-already-3296633.php
I keep trying to figure out what the end result will be. And, in an historical sense, where we will be this time next year?
As the U.S. economy continues to crumble, the blame for the collapse must be placed upon external actors/demons and not because of the "Exceptional Leaders" of the "Perfect" - "Godly" - "Exceptional" America. were liars
If it is shown that it was because the American System itself was faulty, then the Ruling Class will never be able to control the population during or after the collapse of the empire.
After the collapse of empire, the Ruling Class must be able to pick up the pieces and continue to rule the country.
For the next short while, we can expect a parade of demons to be exalted upon the world stage as being responsible for the economic turmoil within the universe.
Within the next few months, there will be intense discussion towards cutting social programs in order to pay for the military excursions and The Ruling Class require a lengthy list of demons in order to justify the cuts.
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Everybody had the formula for the Military-Grade Nerve Agent Novichok
The book was published in 2008.
https://www.amazon.com/State-Secrets-Insiders-Chronicle-Chemical/dp/1432719238
Image:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/novichokbook3.jpg
The book was published in 2008.
https://www.amazon.com/State-Secrets-Insiders-Chronicle-Chemical/dp/1432719238
Image:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/novichokbook3.jpg
It's good to see the game is still being played. This time, the UK is not operating from a position of authority. They are doing their best to convict without any proof. They are going to have to come up with something that they can release to the media eventually. Innuendo and fear were the "proof" of the cold war, as it is in this case.
I particularly liked the French support for the UK without supporting them. That will have May and her govt worried, as the French aren't the only ones who want to see proof before committing to the UK with anything other than words. And words are cheap.
Here are some nice, non-committal words from the article below. This means that, for now, not much is happening, except words of rhetoric.
Mr Trump said the US was in "deep discussions" with the UK over the attack.
French President Emmanuel Macron said he would act with "firmness" against Russia, a presidential source said.
The leaders did not say what, if any, actions they would take if Russia does not comply.
US, France, Germany blame Russia for UK nerve agent attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I particularly liked the French support for the UK without supporting them. That will have May and her govt worried, as the French aren't the only ones who want to see proof before committing to the UK with anything other than words. And words are cheap.
Here are some nice, non-committal words from the article below. This means that, for now, not much is happening, except words of rhetoric.
Mr Trump said the US was in "deep discussions" with the UK over the attack.
French President Emmanuel Macron said he would act with "firmness" against Russia, a presidential source said.
The leaders did not say what, if any, actions they would take if Russia does not comply.
US, France, Germany blame Russia for UK nerve agent attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)