Royal Navy chases a Spanish patrol boat out of British waters
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oh hell yea.
One year this hemlock looper infestation killed off a bunch of spruce-balsam-hemlock trees. I used to like to walk around this one island, after with all the dead fall caused by the looper worm i found that one weekend, like 5 or 6 fawns hidden in the deadfall. Couldnt of done it without my boat.
Spain appears to back independent Scotland's membership of EU as row over Gibraltar escalates
A Downing Street spokesman said: “The Prime Minister said we will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their freely and democratically expressed wishes, nor will we ever *enter into a process of sovereignty *negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content.”
The row erupted after the European Union put the future of Gibraltar at stake in Brexit negotiations by effectively backing Spain in its long-running dispute with the UK over the British Overseas Territory.
The EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines appear to hand Spain an effective veto over whether an eventual deal will apply to Gibraltar. The move prompted fury in the UK, where ministers described the move as “utterly unacceptable”.
Spain appears to back independent Scotland's membership of EU as row over Gibraltar escalates
A Downing Street spokesman said: “The Prime Minister said we will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their freely and democratically expressed wishes, nor will we ever *enter into a process of sovereignty *negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content.”
The row erupted after the European Union put the future of Gibraltar at stake in Brexit negotiations by effectively backing Spain in its long-running dispute with the UK over the British Overseas Territory.
The EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines appear to hand Spain an effective veto over whether an eventual deal will apply to Gibraltar. The move prompted fury in the UK, where ministers described the move as “utterly unacceptable”.
Spain appears to back independent Scotland's membership of EU as row over Gibraltar escalates
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BRITAIN THREATENS WAR OVER GIBRALTAR
British PM will 'go all the way' to keep Gibraltar from Spain's clutches
The British Prime Minister is prepared to go to war over Gibraltar.
https://www.infowars.com/britain-threatens-war-over-gibraltar/
naw...it's nothin'....
British PM will 'go all the way' to keep Gibraltar from Spain's clutches
The British Prime Minister is prepared to go to war over Gibraltar.
https://www.infowars.com/britain-threatens-war-over-gibraltar/
naw...it's nothin'....
The first one is silly. Any others, especially from the British press, only prove my point. The UK is getting nervous about their standing amongst European nations. They are trying (and failing) to beat their chests. Trying to be meaningful.
I don't know where you are going with this.
Of course the the Spaniards went into British waters. It was an intentional act. It was ordered by the Spanish govt. It is politics.
We intentionally used to cross into Communist controlled areas to test their security. It's done all the time. For political or military reasons. It's a tempest in a teapot. It must be a slow news day for the British press.
Of course the the Spaniards went into British waters. It was an intentional act. It was ordered by the Spanish govt. It is politics.
We intentionally used to cross into Communist controlled areas to test their security. It's done all the time. For political or military reasons. It's a tempest in a teapot. It must be a slow news day for the British press.
yeah ....exactly
geeez
where am I going with this?????
In the OP, just before your first dingbat comment,
I didn't even make a comment of my own...
so all I have to say to your 'tude is "check your meds"
you may have forgot to take the wrappers off
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When someone posts something, it's usually because they think it's interesting enough to post. Comments follow. I expressed my opinion. I thought it was silly. I still do.
My comment was not that of a dingbat. That's why I said I didn't know where you were going by posting it. Your confusion suggests imbalances, or you are looking for someone to argue with. But it's silly to argue about an article (a British one to boot) that is of no importance.
My comment was not that of a dingbat. That's why I said I didn't know where you were going by posting it. Your confusion suggests imbalances, or you are looking for someone to argue with. But it's silly to argue about an article (a British one to boot) that is of no importance.
...and in my second post I still had not made a comment
and you made another idiotic post
so I'm right now I am thinkin' take the box off the meds too
like it says in the wiki page that goes with the photo of the rather LARGE watercraft:
patrol effing BOAT!
and you made another idiotic post
so I'm right now I am thinkin' take the box off the meds too
like it says in the wiki page that goes with the photo of the rather LARGE watercraft:
patrol effing BOAT!
In the tradition of The Sun's famous 1990 anti-EU front page which said "Up Yours Delors":
Yesterday's Sun had a free poster. Here's one of Gibraltar's Barbary macaques with one:
Many people in Argentina and elsewhere said that in 1982.
This is Britain we are talking about and Britain has shown many times in the past that she is more than willing to use military force when her citizens are threatened by a foreign power, no matter where they are in the world.
Letters: The row over Gibraltar is typical of the EU’s bargaining mentality, and there’s more to come
28 Comments
3 April 2017
The Telegraph
The Spanish flag flying at the customs post on the border with Gibraltar Credit: Daniel Ochoa de Olza/AP
SIR – The Gibraltar issue typifies EU decision-making, Matters are not decided on their individual merits but as unrelated bargaining chips (we will vote for an EU army if you will vote to subsidise our olive groves).
Unfortunately, we can expect much more of this over the next two years.
Mac Fearnehough
Holmesfield, Derbyshire
SIR – It is a fine example of EU logic, which supports the alienation of a British territory to Spain, against the expressed wishes of its inhabitants, while denying the Catalans the independence they seek.
Tony Jones
London SW7
SIR – Should we not invite Catalonia to become a British overseas territory?
George Brown
Stretford, Lancashire
SIR – We should start talking to Spain about handing over Gibraltar. A good time to start would be 24 hours after Spain returns its enclave at Ceuta to the Moroccan government.
Philip Saunders
Bungay, Suffolk
Letters:*The row over Gibraltar is typical of the EU
How Miss World is Britain's secret weapon in the battle for The Rock: ROBERT HARDMAN on another 'Iron Lady' fighting for Britain in the row over Gibraltar
By Robert Hardman for the Daily Mail
4 April 2017
Out in the Bay of Gibraltar yesterday lunchtime, a Spanish warship turned up, hanging around like a bully at the school gates.
But it certainly wasn’t spoiling the party mood onshore as the most famous Gibraltarian on the planet was being installed as the mayor.
Well might Spain want to flex its muscles, though. For it has a formidable new adversary — yet another British ‘Iron Lady’ shaping the long, fraught story of the Rock’s determined quest to stay British.
Doing her best to calm the belligerent tone of the latest Anglo-Spanish quarrel over Gibraltar, Theresa May has already invoked Churchill’s maxim — namely that ‘jaw-jaw’ is better than ‘war-war’.
To which one local wag yesterday responded: ‘And so is phwoar phwoar.’
It is neither sexist nor even debatable to describe Kaiane Lopez as the world’s most photogenic mayor.
Gibraltar's Mayor Kaiane Lopez, right, who was crowned Miss World in 2009, left, has thrown her support behind Britain in the dispute with Spain over The Rock
Only a few years ago, in 2009, the then-Miss Gibraltar went on to conquer the globe when she was crowned Miss World, no less.
Having hung up her crown, she now has a mayoral chain. Even Boris Johnson in his zipwire-dangling prime seems something of a dullard compared to the new occupant of City Hall here on the Rock.
Kaiane’s position may be a largely ceremonial and apolitical one, just like that of the Queen, beneath whose portrait and coat of arms she was formally appointed yesterday.
But on one issue, she has no qualms about speaking her mind. ‘I am proud to be British,’ she told me. ‘Gibraltar is British and always will be. Why would we ever want to change our flag?’
She was presented with her regalia by the territory’s Chief Minister, Fabian Picardo, who invoked a bit of Blitz spirit as he borrowed another line from the book of Churchill.
‘These are difficult times,’ he declared to the City Hall audience, ‘but we will never accept being discriminated against. We will never surrender!’
Cue thunderous applause from a cross-section of Gibraltarian life.
Among this crowd, as with any Gibraltarian you stop in the street, there remained festering disappointment following last week’s announcement by European Council President Donald Tusk that the EU intends to give Spain its very own veto over any Brexit deal for Gibraltar on top of the veto it already enjoys, like all EU nations, over Britain’s Brexit deal.
No one here is surprised that Spain has been nobbling Mr Tusk and the EU. But they are hurt that, having voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU — Gibraltar’s 96 per cent was by far the highest Remain vote — Europe should single them out for extra-special punishment.
Because Mr Tusk’s announcement effectively gives Spain an equal say in the future of a territory over which, until now, it had no say.
European Council President Donald Tusk that the EU intends to give Spain its very own veto over any Brexit deal for Gibraltar, pictured, on top of the veto it already enjoys along with other EU members on Britain's overall Brexit deal
This image was taken off the coats of Gibraltar showing a Spanish ship, pictured right flying the Spanish flag, making incursions into British waters where it was followed by HMS Scimitar (left)
As Edward Macquisten, chief executive of the Gibraltar Chamber of Commerce, put it: ‘If this is how the EU treat their supporters, it doesn’t bode well for the future of Europe.’
Adolfo Canepa, the outgoing mayor, said: ‘Europe has just legitimised the claim of Spain and that is not just hurtful. I am aghast.’
Like Kaiane, he has been a rigorously non-political public figure — not least because he is also Speaker of the Gibraltarian Parliament — but, on this, he is happy to explode.
Because if there is one subject on which there is absolutely no dispute among anyone here, Left or Right, old or young, it is that they all want to be part of Britain — the same Britain that voted for a Brexit they emphatically did not want.
As Spain prepares to use Brexit as a stick with which to beat this infuriatingly and resolutely red, white and blue pimple on its southern rump, the new Mayor Lopez is one more reason why Gibraltar refuses to countenance, let alone discuss, the issue of sovereignty.
The Miss World contest may have faded in the British consciousness. It’s years since primetime telly would screen the annual crop of ‘lovelies’ as they paraded in swimsuits and trotted out the same old platitudes about wanting to ‘travel, work with children and bring world peace’.
But Miss World is still a huge global phenomenon, watched by up to 1 billion people.
And when Kaiane came home with the crown in 2009, almost the entire 30,000-strong population turned out to give her a ticker tape parade.
It comes just hours after Spain told Britain to 'calm down' and demanded that Gibraltar (pictured) be returned to them once Britain leaves the EU
They couldn’t have given two hoots whether feminists had condemned Miss World as patronising, sexist, dated twaddle.
It was the first time Gibraltar had beaten the whole world. Locals here still rank it alongside the two other red letter days in its modern history — the visit of the Queen in 1954, and the wedding of the Prince and Princess of Wales in 1981 (their honeymoon cruise on the Royal Yacht set sail from here).
And everyone is acutely aware that, if Madrid should ever win its 300-year battle to absorb Gibraltar into Spain, that would be the end of Miss Gibraltar becoming Miss World.
But I think we are going to hear a lot more about this particular civic worthy — who, at 30, also happens to be the youngest mayor in Gibraltar’s history.
She got off to a flying start yesterday, announcing the mayoralty’s first website and Twitter account (Gibraltar is a little behind the curve in a few regards).
Echoing the Churchillian sentiments of the moment, she pledged to serve ‘the people of Gibraltar as a community, a nation and together as a family’.
Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said Spain was trying to bully Gibraltar and that the EU was allowing the bullying to happen
Her whole family were there: husband Aaron, a marine surveyor, one-year-old daughter Kalia, and her parents, Randal and Elke.
‘British? We are 300 per cent British,’ said Randal, 50, who works for the Ministry of Defence. Lopez’s grandmother, Sonia Czasch, went even further.
‘I might be married to an Austrian, but I am British through and through and I will fight to the end to stay like that.’
Afterwards, as the naval corvette Infanta Cristina was still stirring things up out in the bay, I asked the new mayor what she thought about the Spanish.
‘I prefer to leave the politics to the politicians,’ she said, in her best diplomatic voice.
‘We all enjoy Spain so much and we all enjoy them coming here. We have the best of both worlds.’
So what if there was a Spanish flag rather the Union flag at City Hall? She looked stunned. ‘I’m British. I couldn’t possibly imagine changing my roots.’
Later, I sat down with Chief Minister Picardo, who was happy to go a great deal further.
‘People regard this European statement as a real slap in the face,’ he said. ‘Spain is behaving perniciously. She is trying to steal a march by having this double veto.’
What really irks him is Spain’s strategy to ensure a solid trade deal with the UK — with whom it has a £5 billion trade surplus — and then have a separate one to clobber Gibraltar.
And he is not about to panic just because the Spanish have sent a warship.
‘They reserve that for special occasions,’ he laughed, pointing out it was Spain who refuelled the Russian fleet on its way to bomb Syria.
‘The UK and the U.S. are the only reliable partners the world wants to see controlling the Straits of Gibraltar.’
The ship was around a mile off the coast of Gibraltar, a witness who lived on the said
What about the remarks by former Tory leader Lord (Michael) Howard, comparing this dispute to the Falklands War?
In Britain, Labour and the Lib Dems have had an attack of the vapours — accusing him of war-mongering — while Madrid has issued stern demands for Britain to ‘calm down’.
Mr Picardo was rather amused, though irritated by the hypocrisy of it all. ‘I’m surprised that people jumped out of their shorts at the thought a retired minister is able to declare war.
‘Every day, I hear retired politicians, ambassadors and military people in Spain saying they are going to cut off the frontier, cut off our water and electricity,’ he said with a shrug, adding that these Spanish armchair warriors are not terribly well-informed, as Gibraltar is entirely self-sufficient in power and water.
‘Spain spends most of her time kicking us in the shins. Then, when there is a passionate reaction in the UK, she says: “Keep calm”.’
He pointed out the serial pettiness of Spain with its latest act of sporting spite — blocking Gibraltar’s application to enter the Rugby World Cup.
So, what next? Mr Picardo says he is ‘confident in the extreme’ that Theresa May will fight Gibraltar’s corner in Brussels.
But he will still be watching closely ‘with a cynical eye’ to ensure that the UK stays that way.
‘This now has to be the first item on the agenda when ministers sit down and start negotiating.’
Once a staunch European, he is looking forward to a few changes in his office.
Pointing to the EU flag alongside those of the UK and Gibraltar, he says he has already decided what will take its place on March 29 2019, when Brexit is a reality.
‘That European flag is going — and we’ll have the Commonwealth one in its place.’
Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo is looking forward to replacing the EU flag with the Commonwealth flag (above)
Yesterday's Sun had a free poster. Here's one of Gibraltar's Barbary macaques with one:
Many people in Argentina and elsewhere said that in 1982.
This is Britain we are talking about and Britain has shown many times in the past that she is more than willing to use military force when her citizens are threatened by a foreign power, no matter where they are in the world.
Letters: The row over Gibraltar is typical of the EU’s bargaining mentality, and there’s more to come
28 Comments
3 April 2017
The Telegraph
The Spanish flag flying at the customs post on the border with Gibraltar Credit: Daniel Ochoa de Olza/AP
SIR – The Gibraltar issue typifies EU decision-making, Matters are not decided on their individual merits but as unrelated bargaining chips (we will vote for an EU army if you will vote to subsidise our olive groves).
Unfortunately, we can expect much more of this over the next two years.
Mac Fearnehough
Holmesfield, Derbyshire
SIR – It is a fine example of EU logic, which supports the alienation of a British territory to Spain, against the expressed wishes of its inhabitants, while denying the Catalans the independence they seek.
Tony Jones
London SW7
SIR – Should we not invite Catalonia to become a British overseas territory?
George Brown
Stretford, Lancashire
SIR – We should start talking to Spain about handing over Gibraltar. A good time to start would be 24 hours after Spain returns its enclave at Ceuta to the Moroccan government.
Philip Saunders
Bungay, Suffolk
Letters:*The row over Gibraltar is typical of the EU
How Miss World is Britain's secret weapon in the battle for The Rock: ROBERT HARDMAN on another 'Iron Lady' fighting for Britain in the row over Gibraltar
By Robert Hardman for the Daily Mail
4 April 2017
Out in the Bay of Gibraltar yesterday lunchtime, a Spanish warship turned up, hanging around like a bully at the school gates.
But it certainly wasn’t spoiling the party mood onshore as the most famous Gibraltarian on the planet was being installed as the mayor.
Well might Spain want to flex its muscles, though. For it has a formidable new adversary — yet another British ‘Iron Lady’ shaping the long, fraught story of the Rock’s determined quest to stay British.
Doing her best to calm the belligerent tone of the latest Anglo-Spanish quarrel over Gibraltar, Theresa May has already invoked Churchill’s maxim — namely that ‘jaw-jaw’ is better than ‘war-war’.
To which one local wag yesterday responded: ‘And so is phwoar phwoar.’
It is neither sexist nor even debatable to describe Kaiane Lopez as the world’s most photogenic mayor.
Gibraltar's Mayor Kaiane Lopez, right, who was crowned Miss World in 2009, left, has thrown her support behind Britain in the dispute with Spain over The Rock
Only a few years ago, in 2009, the then-Miss Gibraltar went on to conquer the globe when she was crowned Miss World, no less.
Having hung up her crown, she now has a mayoral chain. Even Boris Johnson in his zipwire-dangling prime seems something of a dullard compared to the new occupant of City Hall here on the Rock.
Kaiane’s position may be a largely ceremonial and apolitical one, just like that of the Queen, beneath whose portrait and coat of arms she was formally appointed yesterday.
But on one issue, she has no qualms about speaking her mind. ‘I am proud to be British,’ she told me. ‘Gibraltar is British and always will be. Why would we ever want to change our flag?’
She was presented with her regalia by the territory’s Chief Minister, Fabian Picardo, who invoked a bit of Blitz spirit as he borrowed another line from the book of Churchill.
‘These are difficult times,’ he declared to the City Hall audience, ‘but we will never accept being discriminated against. We will never surrender!’
Cue thunderous applause from a cross-section of Gibraltarian life.
Among this crowd, as with any Gibraltarian you stop in the street, there remained festering disappointment following last week’s announcement by European Council President Donald Tusk that the EU intends to give Spain its very own veto over any Brexit deal for Gibraltar on top of the veto it already enjoys, like all EU nations, over Britain’s Brexit deal.
No one here is surprised that Spain has been nobbling Mr Tusk and the EU. But they are hurt that, having voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU — Gibraltar’s 96 per cent was by far the highest Remain vote — Europe should single them out for extra-special punishment.
Because Mr Tusk’s announcement effectively gives Spain an equal say in the future of a territory over which, until now, it had no say.
European Council President Donald Tusk that the EU intends to give Spain its very own veto over any Brexit deal for Gibraltar, pictured, on top of the veto it already enjoys along with other EU members on Britain's overall Brexit deal
This image was taken off the coats of Gibraltar showing a Spanish ship, pictured right flying the Spanish flag, making incursions into British waters where it was followed by HMS Scimitar (left)
As Edward Macquisten, chief executive of the Gibraltar Chamber of Commerce, put it: ‘If this is how the EU treat their supporters, it doesn’t bode well for the future of Europe.’
Adolfo Canepa, the outgoing mayor, said: ‘Europe has just legitimised the claim of Spain and that is not just hurtful. I am aghast.’
Like Kaiane, he has been a rigorously non-political public figure — not least because he is also Speaker of the Gibraltarian Parliament — but, on this, he is happy to explode.
Because if there is one subject on which there is absolutely no dispute among anyone here, Left or Right, old or young, it is that they all want to be part of Britain — the same Britain that voted for a Brexit they emphatically did not want.
As Spain prepares to use Brexit as a stick with which to beat this infuriatingly and resolutely red, white and blue pimple on its southern rump, the new Mayor Lopez is one more reason why Gibraltar refuses to countenance, let alone discuss, the issue of sovereignty.
The Miss World contest may have faded in the British consciousness. It’s years since primetime telly would screen the annual crop of ‘lovelies’ as they paraded in swimsuits and trotted out the same old platitudes about wanting to ‘travel, work with children and bring world peace’.
But Miss World is still a huge global phenomenon, watched by up to 1 billion people.
And when Kaiane came home with the crown in 2009, almost the entire 30,000-strong population turned out to give her a ticker tape parade.
It comes just hours after Spain told Britain to 'calm down' and demanded that Gibraltar (pictured) be returned to them once Britain leaves the EU
They couldn’t have given two hoots whether feminists had condemned Miss World as patronising, sexist, dated twaddle.
It was the first time Gibraltar had beaten the whole world. Locals here still rank it alongside the two other red letter days in its modern history — the visit of the Queen in 1954, and the wedding of the Prince and Princess of Wales in 1981 (their honeymoon cruise on the Royal Yacht set sail from here).
And everyone is acutely aware that, if Madrid should ever win its 300-year battle to absorb Gibraltar into Spain, that would be the end of Miss Gibraltar becoming Miss World.
But I think we are going to hear a lot more about this particular civic worthy — who, at 30, also happens to be the youngest mayor in Gibraltar’s history.
She got off to a flying start yesterday, announcing the mayoralty’s first website and Twitter account (Gibraltar is a little behind the curve in a few regards).
Echoing the Churchillian sentiments of the moment, she pledged to serve ‘the people of Gibraltar as a community, a nation and together as a family’.
Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said Spain was trying to bully Gibraltar and that the EU was allowing the bullying to happen
Her whole family were there: husband Aaron, a marine surveyor, one-year-old daughter Kalia, and her parents, Randal and Elke.
‘British? We are 300 per cent British,’ said Randal, 50, who works for the Ministry of Defence. Lopez’s grandmother, Sonia Czasch, went even further.
‘I might be married to an Austrian, but I am British through and through and I will fight to the end to stay like that.’
Afterwards, as the naval corvette Infanta Cristina was still stirring things up out in the bay, I asked the new mayor what she thought about the Spanish.
‘I prefer to leave the politics to the politicians,’ she said, in her best diplomatic voice.
‘We all enjoy Spain so much and we all enjoy them coming here. We have the best of both worlds.’
So what if there was a Spanish flag rather the Union flag at City Hall? She looked stunned. ‘I’m British. I couldn’t possibly imagine changing my roots.’
Later, I sat down with Chief Minister Picardo, who was happy to go a great deal further.
‘People regard this European statement as a real slap in the face,’ he said. ‘Spain is behaving perniciously. She is trying to steal a march by having this double veto.’
What really irks him is Spain’s strategy to ensure a solid trade deal with the UK — with whom it has a £5 billion trade surplus — and then have a separate one to clobber Gibraltar.
And he is not about to panic just because the Spanish have sent a warship.
‘They reserve that for special occasions,’ he laughed, pointing out it was Spain who refuelled the Russian fleet on its way to bomb Syria.
‘The UK and the U.S. are the only reliable partners the world wants to see controlling the Straits of Gibraltar.’
The ship was around a mile off the coast of Gibraltar, a witness who lived on the said
What about the remarks by former Tory leader Lord (Michael) Howard, comparing this dispute to the Falklands War?
In Britain, Labour and the Lib Dems have had an attack of the vapours — accusing him of war-mongering — while Madrid has issued stern demands for Britain to ‘calm down’.
Mr Picardo was rather amused, though irritated by the hypocrisy of it all. ‘I’m surprised that people jumped out of their shorts at the thought a retired minister is able to declare war.
‘Every day, I hear retired politicians, ambassadors and military people in Spain saying they are going to cut off the frontier, cut off our water and electricity,’ he said with a shrug, adding that these Spanish armchair warriors are not terribly well-informed, as Gibraltar is entirely self-sufficient in power and water.
‘Spain spends most of her time kicking us in the shins. Then, when there is a passionate reaction in the UK, she says: “Keep calm”.’
He pointed out the serial pettiness of Spain with its latest act of sporting spite — blocking Gibraltar’s application to enter the Rugby World Cup.
So, what next? Mr Picardo says he is ‘confident in the extreme’ that Theresa May will fight Gibraltar’s corner in Brussels.
But he will still be watching closely ‘with a cynical eye’ to ensure that the UK stays that way.
‘This now has to be the first item on the agenda when ministers sit down and start negotiating.’
Once a staunch European, he is looking forward to a few changes in his office.
Pointing to the EU flag alongside those of the UK and Gibraltar, he says he has already decided what will take its place on March 29 2019, when Brexit is a reality.
‘That European flag is going — and we’ll have the Commonwealth one in its place.’
Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo is looking forward to replacing the EU flag with the Commonwealth flag (above)
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