Rights group blasts 'non-smoker' stipulation for job

Twila

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then everybody would be able to work anywhere they wish.

No, we'll just find other things to compare and use. Like, character flaws...those are good.
 

miniboss

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I am really sick and tired of the focus on cancer from smoking. do don't "catch" cancer, you either have it or you don't, it's just a matter of when it decides to kick in. How do you account for the people who smoke all their lives, and no cancer. As far as I'm concerned, we have worse things to be worried about, when it comes to our health than smoking. the food we eat is laced with chemicals, pesticides and such. the water we drink is polluted, and they try to fix it with chlorine, yeah, that's much better. The air, don't get me started, just about every night, where I live, you can smell something burning, and it isn't wood from fireplaces, or wood stoves. Chemicals are everywhere, and we the people, are the unlucky bunch that gets to soak them all in. Even people who think they're living "healthy", should get their blood tested, I think they'll be surprised to find what's in it. Usually, in a workplace, company shared health plans are optional, not manditory, so if you do smoke, and decide you don't want to be in on the company health plan, it's irelevent. they say smokers "phone in sick" more often than non-smokers. I say B.S. I think being lazy, dishonest, and/or drinking the night before. has everything to do with it, not being a smoker. The "sniffles" , do not count as sick, heaving you guts out , or not being able to be farther than 10 feet from a toilet, counts a sick. Strep thoat counts too. I was going to a "health center" for excersise, and I was coming down with a flu, or cold every 3 months, like clockwork, I stoppped going, I got sick twice, in two years. according to labour law, workers are allowed 2 15 min. breaks, if you work 8 hours a day, what you do with those 15 min. is your business. By the way, one of you is right, obesity is the next "cause" to be thrust into the limelight, politicians are already toying with the idea of an obesity tax, put on fast food and junk food, as much as 18%. I guess politicians don't have enough money to piss away, they need more. Not all overweight people are, or will be diabetic, one has a genetic predisposition for that. I think of the law says that cigarrette manufactures aren't allowed to advertise, neither should all fast food restaurant chains, all chip, chocolate, candy manufactures, and all softdrink manufacturers. Then we'll see some outrage. from all this anti-smoking and healthy eating crap, is spawned, basically, gov't legislated buisiness opportunities, so someone gets to make money off of you, and they get to advertise, (brainwash) all they want. Just another way, the gov't is sticking it's nose into your business.
 
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Praxius

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I am really sick and tired of the focus on cancer from smoking. do don't "catch" cancer, you either have it or you don't, it's just a matter of when it decides to kick in. How do you account for the people who smoke all their lives, and no cancer. As far as I'm concerned, we have worse things to be worried about, when it comes to our health than smoking. the food we eat is laced with chemicals, pesticides and such. the water we drink is polluted, and they try to fix it with chlorine, yeah, that's much better. The air, don't get me started, just about every night, where I live, you can smell something burning, and it isn't wood from fireplaces, or wood stoves. Chemicals are everywhere, and we the people, are the unlucky bunch that gets to soak them all in. Even people who think they're living "healthy", should get their blood tested, I think they'll be surprised to find what's in it. Usually, in a workplace, company shared health plans are optional, not manditory, so if you do smoke, and decide you don't want to be in on the company health plan, it's irelevent. they say smokers "phone in sick" more often than non-smokers. I say B.S. I think being lazy, dishonest, and/or drinking the night before. has everything to do with it, not being a smoker. The "sniffles" , do not count as sick, heaving you guts out , or not being able to be farther than 10 feet from a toilet, counts a sick. Strep thoat counts too. I was going to a "health center" for excersise, and I was coming down with a flu, or cold every 3 months, like clockwork, I stoppped going, I got sick twice, in two years. according to labour law, workers are allowed 2 15 min. breaks, if you work 8 hours a day, what you do with those 15 min. is your business. By the way, one of you is right, obesity is the next "cause" to be thrust into the limelight, politicians are already toying with the idea of an obesity tax, put on fast food and junk food, as much as 18%. I guess politicians don't have enough money to piss away, they need more. Not all overweight people are, or will be diabetic, one has a genetic predisposition for that. I think of the law says that cigarrette manufactures aren't allowed to advertise, neither should all fast food restaurant chains, all chip, chocolate, candy manufactures, and all softdrink manufacturers. Then we'll see some outrage. from all this anti-smoking and healthy eating crap, is spawned, basically, gov't legislated buisiness opportunities, so someone gets to make money off of you, and they get to advertise, (brainwash) all they want. Just another way, the gov't is sticking it's nose into your business.

Sir, I like the cut of your jib

Although a couple of paragraph breaks here and there would be easier on the eyes..... but hey, I write more then enough in one post to make them irrelevant, so pot and kettle so to speak.

But I'd have to say I agree with the greater majority of that.

You get a green sticker!
 

Praxius

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Character flaws make character...can't be a 3d person without 'em.


So that's how you get inside the computer..... have no character, go 2 dimensional and simply crawl in through the floppy drive or CD ROM.......

..... It's soooo simple..

Oh excuse me, I traded up the type of plant I smoke at the moment and my mind travels to different places from time to time.
 

taxslave

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How can an employer determine what after-work activities are acceptable, and which aren't? Smoking is perfectly legal. No employer has the right to discriminate against an employee who does something perfectly legal after work. It's just not acceptable. Not in my world.

Your examples are stupid - pedophilia is a criminal offense. Smoking is not.

Actually in certain circumstances they can. EG. Airlines prohibit pilots from having a drink within a certain time period before coming to work even though drinking is legal. I think most people would support this rule. Some trucking companies have similar rules. There are also many logging camps and probably construction camps that do not allow alcohol in camp. You can obey this rule or not work there.
 

Zzarchov

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Actually in certain circumstances they can. EG. Airlines prohibit pilots from having a drink within a certain time period before coming to work even though drinking is legal. I think most people would support this rule. Some trucking companies have similar rules. There are also many logging camps and probably construction camps that do not allow alcohol in camp. You can obey this rule or not work there.

Airlines prohibit employees from coming to work with alcohol in their system. Ie, they can't be on work property getting paid for their time if they aren't fit to work. Likewise Tim Hortons doesn't descriminate against Nudists, but it expects you to show up to work, ready to work, in clothes.

Logging Camps are banning alcohol from their property, they don't ban you from drinking when you aren't on work property or work time. They don't fire you if when you go on vacation you go drink.
 

Cannuck

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Actually in certain circumstances they can. EG. Airlines prohibit pilots from having a drink within a certain time period before coming to work even though drinking is legal. I think most people would support this rule. Some trucking companies have similar rules. There are also many logging camps and probably construction camps that do not allow alcohol in camp. You can obey this rule or not work there.

The problem though is not "drinking" but the effects of alcohol consumption as the alcohol stay in your system for a certain time period. If having a cigarette outside of work can be shown to limit a persons job performance at work than the comparison would be valid.