Rights group blasts 'non-smoker' stipulation for job

[Twila]

So smokers are junkies now?

If you say so. The comparison is on the addiction. Not the name. Although I've known a few people who have opted to buy cigarettes over food for their kids, because they "need" to smoke. I watch people go to great lengths to defend their practice of smoking and use excuses and denial just like a heroin addict. So..maybe you're right.

 

[Twila]

Not really a very good comparison... one impacts ability to perform the job, but, being a smoker doesn't impact one's ability to be a webmaster last I checked.

It's not about the skills lacking to do the job, it's about the emotional impact. I'm not going to take dieting advice from someone who it clearly has not worked for.

Just like nobody would take how to quit smoking advice from someone who is still smoking.

 

[karrie]

It's not about the skills lacking to do the job, it's about the emotional impact. I'm not going to take dieting advice from someone who it clearly has not worked for.

Just like nobody would take how to quit smoking advice from someone who is still smoking.

Well then it's a good thing the position is 'webmaster' and not 'counselor' hey?

 

[Praxius]

Why is this addiction protected? Why are heroin addicts assaulted with cleaning up their act, but not smokers?

Because one is illegal and the other is not. If you want to treat smokers the same way, make smoking illegal, period. Until then, it is an unjust action to judge people's employment based on something they are legally allowed to do.

Morbidly obese people have an addiction and we know it's not ok. Crack heads have an addiction and we know it's not ok. But smokers...it's like their special or something.

Once again, Crack is illegal, smoking is not. Not to mention two totally different drugs and effects, there is no comparison besides additiction, which is also different in its own way.

Obese people have what most people consider something not "ok" as you put it..... but you are not allowed to filter out your job applicants based on people's weight. If they can do the job, then there's no problem. Not to mention, being Obese isn't illegal either and you don't see me going around finger-pointing at obese people to shape up or ship out. They do whatever they want with their lives, it is not my place to tell them how to live their lives.

If they want to keep eating until they die, then I should be able to smoke until I die.

How can anyone recommend Not Smoking when they have employees that smoke?

Do as I say, not as I do.

Ozzy does this quite well.... he tells people not to do drugs.... just look at how he turned out.

Maybe we ought to let practicing pedophiles work the schools? Wouldn't want to discriminate...

Once again, the flaw in your logic is that you're comparing illegal things to legal things..... there's a huge difference and a huge flaw in your reasoning.

 

[Tyr]

Why is this addiction protected? Why are heroin addicts assaulted with cleaning up their act, but not smokers? Morbidly obese people have an addiction and we know it's not ok. Crack heads have an addiction and we know it's not ok. But smokers...it's like their special or something.

How can anyone recommend Not Smoking when they have employees that smoke?

Maybe we ought to let practicing pedophiles work the schools? Wouldn't want to discriminate...

Why is this addiction protected? Why are heroin addicts assaulted with cleaning up their act, but not smokers? Morbidly obese people have an addiction and we know it's not ok. Crack heads have an addiction and we know it's not ok. But smokers...it's like their special or something.

Kinda like Alcoholism. Everybody knows it's an addiction but goes to great lengths to minimize it's impact.

 

[Tyr]

If you say so. The comparison is on the addiction. Not the name. Although I've known a few people who have opted to buy cigarettes over food for their kids, because they "need" to smoke. I watch people go to great lengths to defend their practice of smoking and use excuses and denial just like a heroin addict. So..maybe you're right.

That's what I like to see. When losing an argument, quote extremes.

Although I've known a few people who have opted to buy cigarettes over food for their kids,

I've known a few people (well maybe more than a few) who came home late because they spent to long at the bar... Should alcohol be banned because of the moral decay that has caused?

Bulimic... start banning food...

 

[Cannuck]

I wouldn't hire a smoker, a crack addict or somebody that can't keep his hands off his pecker. Anything else goes.

 

[Twila]

That's what I like to see. When losing an argument, quote extremes.

How can I loose when I'm stating my opinion on something. If we want to go with striclty facts then the company has every legal right to hire the right people for the job. The right people to educate others about NOT smoking are those that DON'T smoke. Period.

Comparison's are valuable in defending ones opinion and in forming opinions. If you opt to not use them, good for you. But it's highly unlikely.

 

[GreenFish66]

I was a smoker way back..Had a bad cold with a hang-over...Got sick and quit...Once In a while ,I might have a smoke, just cause I feel like it or if someones smokin around me ..I ask for 1...Why not? nothin to loose?.Maybe even savin my smoken buddy, a couple extra days on his/her life(for better or worse).But I Don't let it run my life!!....Addictions are sometimes difficult to over come..Some demons/ vices/bad habits ..Everybody has them.some are harder to kick than others...But if you really want to ..If you have the will power and something more productive to do.. An activity to replace the the space between your fingers and cravings!...You will succeed..I am aware smokers have an addiction ...But If you don't care about your own health , the health of friends/family and co workers...What do smokers care about?...Why should non-smokers care about smokers freezin out in the cold havin' that drag off that addiction to instant gratifiation!?...I have always said jokingly to my smokin buddies, when they raz me about scammin a smoke from them ,that I am not a smoker..Since I don't buy them...Just a mooch...!...lol

 

[Twila]

I've known a few people (well maybe more than a few) who came home late because they spent to long at the bar... Should alcohol be banned because of the moral decay that has caused?

Bulimic... start banning food...

So, would you take dieting advice from a morbidly obese person? Would you believe what they had to say?

Bulimia has very little to do with food and alot to do with control.

 

[Zzarchov]

It's the council on tobacco and health. You can't see why they wouldn't want a smoker? Really? It's like hiring a personal trainer to work in a gym who is horribly out of shape. I can see why for them it's an issue. It shouldn't be in general, but given their mandate it seems appropriate to me.

No doubt they don't want a smoker. But smoking is legal and this isn't a position where they are the face of the company.

If I run "Lower Canada Village" im within my rights that the person who plays the town mayor is a white male, as this represents society in the pioneer times.

I cannot put the same restrictions on my phone receptionist.


I can decide that my personal trainer at the gym has to be physically fit and able. I can't decide that an overweight, physically disabled or underweight person cannot be a janitor or an accountant.

 

[Twila]

I can decide that my personal trainer at the gym has to be physically fit and able. I can't decide that an overweight, physically disabled or underweight person cannot be a janitor or an accountant.

Good points. Did the article state that they had people in the company who would be behind the scenes?

 

[Tyr]

How can I loose when I'm stating my opinion on something. If we want to go with striclty facts then the company has every legal right to hire the right people for the job. The right people to educate others about NOT smoking are those that DON'T smoke. Period.

Comparison's are valuable in defending ones opinion and in forming opinions. If you opt to not use them, good for you. But it's highly unlikely.

OHH. So you make the decision on who is right and with that who is wrong.

The right people to educate others about NOT smoking are those that DON'T smoke. Period.

sorry, but non-smoking and job entitlement are not a right nor is even asking someone if they smoke or don't a right. It is against the law to discriminate based on a person's lifestyle

 

[TenPenny]

Why is this addiction protected? Why are heroin addicts assaulted with cleaning up their act, but not smokers? Morbidly obese people have an addiction and we know it's not ok. Crack heads have an addiction and we know it's not ok. But smokers...it's like their special or something.

How can anyone recommend Not Smoking when they have employees that smoke?

Maybe we ought to let practicing pedophiles work the schools? Wouldn't want to discriminate...

How can an employer determine what after-work activities are acceptable, and which aren't? Smoking is perfectly legal. No employer has the right to discriminate against an employee who does something perfectly legal after work. It's just not acceptable. Not in my world.

Your examples are stupid - pedophilia is a criminal offense. Smoking is not.

 

[Praxius]

If you say so.

No, you said so.

"If I ran an organization on addiction prevention...I don't want some junkie working there."

^ This company in a sense is additiction prevention, or so they claim to be..... and in the same line of text you said you wouldn't want some junkie working there, thereby comparing tobacco smokers to junkies.

I sure as hell didn't say it, you did.... or did you mean something else? That's why I asked the question.

By all means, tell us how you truly feel.

The comparison is on the addiction. Not the name. Although I've known a few people who have opted to buy cigarettes over food for their kids, because they "need" to smoke. I watch people go to great lengths to defend their practice of smoking and use excuses and denial just like a heroin addict. So..maybe you're right.

Once again, I never said it, so don't start getting all upity with me and shoving words into my mouth. You best get your sh*t together when it comes to remembering what you said.

You said you wouldn't want a junkie working for you in reference to this topic and subject, and clearly linked your reasoning with the likes of these people who are discriminating against smokers. And with the above you just said directly confirms your stance as smokers being junkies and no better then heroin addicts, based on a couple of bad experiences you encountered in your life with slum ass people who put their addictions ahead of their families.

Thanks for classifying me into that ignorant generalization. :angry3:

You want an excuse for why I smoke?

Because I damn well choose to and I have every legal right to do so. Deal with it.

 

[Twila]

Once again, I never said it, so don't start getting all upity with me and shoving words into my mouth. You best get your sh*t together when it comes to remembering what you said.

Grow up.

 

[Twila]

Karrie, I totally missed all your posts to me. Wish I'd seen this one earlier..

while you have a point Twila, what the position is matters a bit to

that is a huge point too. I responded to someone else who posted this later too.

I'm going to have to go back and read the rest of your posts...

 

[Praxius]

It's not about the skills lacking to do the job, it's about the emotional impact. I'm not going to take dieting advice from someone who it clearly has not worked for.

Emotional dribble is irrelavent and if you want to hold to that mentality, then expect to be sued soon enough when someone gets offended by that reasoning.

So you wouldn't want to take dieting advice from someone who is obese/overweight? Why? They might have actually taken education and training all the subject and is the best person for the job..... but chooses not to follow them.

So let me guess.... if you go see a mechanic to fix your car and they turn out to be a woman, are you going to refuse their services because you expected a man to do the job? Afterall, males are generally more stronger and able to perhaps get the heavy stuff dealt with a bit quicker...... or is that yet again another stereotype?

Why is it ok to stereotype on group and not the other?

Just like nobody would take how to quit smoking advice from someone who is still smoking.

I would. She what generalizations get you.

 

[Twila]

Thanks for classifying me into that ignorant generalization.

what ever. I've been a non smoker for 4yrs. I know what that addiction is like.

 

[Twila]

So let me guess.... if you go see a mechanic to fix your car and they turn out to be a woman, are you going to refuse their services because you expected a man to do the job?

Weird, you've gotten just totally weird now.