Hey look at the bright side... you can always say you have less people in prison that the US does. That always sounds so nice and superior. 
Ridiculous Sentencing
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Of course there is.
There should be minimal, short basic sentences with unlimited incarceration time. For example, 5 years for murder but, in order to get out, you must meet a few conditions. So, it's not inconceivable a murderer could spend his entire life behind bars.
Multiple convictions has no bearing on whether the sentences were consecutive or concurrent, though. All it takes is one conviction to stick. Consecutive sentences mean that the sentences are served end-to-end and concurrent sentences are served all at the same time. Life without parole is simply life with no ifs, ands, or buts; you serve till you die.
Ah, so pot should stay illegal and people should still be able to become addicted to pharmaceuticals. It's illegal to smoke pot (regardless of leniencies afforded some people by the gov't) here unless you have the appropriate perms from gov't. Tell me how anyone or my neighbor is a victim if he smokes pot to ease his discomfort and no-one else is affected by it.
Of all the garbage crimes committed these are the worst. Someone who beats their wife and kids
does not deserve another chance once discovered and brought to light. In BC there is a law used
by the police that can actually not allow contact for a specific number of days and that can range
up to I think 120. Neither side may like it but they can do it.
As for child molestation or rape, those people cannot be cured therefore they are a danger to the
public and those people should not be allowed out of jail ever period. Wife beaters should be in
fact supervised for a specific period and if there is even one repeat offence the law should determine
the fate of said individual and that means no further contact. The reason I say that is, the kids are
damaged and they should not be subjected to that lifestyle. If the mother returns to a relationship
like that she should do so without her children. Face it, we society pays in the long run either way.
Therefore we should have some say here as to the arrangement. Sentences are not longer because
we still have the hush hush keep it in the closet mentality as a society and that has to change.
does not deserve another chance once discovered and brought to light. In BC there is a law used
by the police that can actually not allow contact for a specific number of days and that can range
up to I think 120. Neither side may like it but they can do it.
As for child molestation or rape, those people cannot be cured therefore they are a danger to the
public and those people should not be allowed out of jail ever period. Wife beaters should be in
fact supervised for a specific period and if there is even one repeat offence the law should determine
the fate of said individual and that means no further contact. The reason I say that is, the kids are
damaged and they should not be subjected to that lifestyle. If the mother returns to a relationship
like that she should do so without her children. Face it, we society pays in the long run either way.
Therefore we should have some say here as to the arrangement. Sentences are not longer because
we still have the hush hush keep it in the closet mentality as a society and that has to change.
Hey look at the bright side... you can always say you have less people in prison that the US does. That always sounds so nice and superior.
Yeah that looks good on paper but it also means we let them out onto the streets.8O
All jokes aside there has to be a happy medium between what our two nations does. Is there a nation out there that does it right?
Pick a few stats and see how many more prisons we need.
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Police reported over 3,800 incidents of sexual violations against children in 2011. The rate of sexual violations against children rose 3% between 2010 and 2011, making it one of the few categories of violent offences to increase in 2011 (Table 5). Among the specific offences included in this category, the rate of invitation to sexual touching (+8%) and luring a child via a computer (+10%) increased, while sexual interference remained stable and sexual exploitation decreased 7%.
The UCR also captures data on incidents of child pornography, which encompasses publishing, distributing and accessing material. Police reported more than 3,100 incidents of child-pornography in 2011, 900 more than in 2010. The rate of child pornography incidents increased 40%, the largest increase of any Criminal Code offence in 2011. It should be noted that fluctuations in the rate of child pornography are most likely reflective of police-based programs and initiatives targeting this particular offence.
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Police-reported rate of sexual assault continues downward trend
Similar to physical assault, sexual assault is categorized into three types, based on the severity of the incident. In 2011, police reported just over 21,800 sexual assaults, the majority of which (98%) were classified as level 1, the least serious of the three forms (Table 4).
Overall, the rate of sexual assault declined in 2011, down 3% from the previous year. While all three types of sexual assault decreased, aggravated sexual assault (level 3) saw the greatest decline (-23%).
Most provinces reported a decline in the rate of sexual assaults in 2011. Of those showing increases, Prince Edward Island was the largest (+22%), yet still reported the second lowest rate.
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Both the volume and severity of violent crime declined in 2011. The violent crime rate fell 4% between 2010 and 2011, as did the violent CSI, marking the fifth consecutive drop in the severity of violent crime (Table 1a, Table 1b).
Similar to previous years, violent crimes accounted for about one-fifth of offences reported by police in 2011. Police reported more than 424,400 violent incidents, 14,800 fewer than in 2010.
Almost every type of violent crime decreased or remained stable in 2011, with the exception of a 7% increase in the rate of homicides, a 3% increase in the rate of sexual offences against children and a 1% increase in criminal harassment (Table 4).
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Police reported over 3,800 incidents of sexual violations against children in 2011. The rate of sexual violations against children rose 3% between 2010 and 2011, making it one of the few categories of violent offences to increase in 2011 (Table 5). Among the specific offences included in this category, the rate of invitation to sexual touching (+8%) and luring a child via a computer (+10%) increased, while sexual interference remained stable and sexual exploitation decreased 7%.
The UCR also captures data on incidents of child pornography, which encompasses publishing, distributing and accessing material. Police reported more than 3,100 incidents of child-pornography in 2011, 900 more than in 2010. The rate of child pornography incidents increased 40%, the largest increase of any Criminal Code offence in 2011. It should be noted that fluctuations in the rate of child pornography are most likely reflective of police-based programs and initiatives targeting this particular offence.
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Police-reported rate of sexual assault continues downward trend
Similar to physical assault, sexual assault is categorized into three types, based on the severity of the incident. In 2011, police reported just over 21,800 sexual assaults, the majority of which (98%) were classified as level 1, the least serious of the three forms (Table 4).
Overall, the rate of sexual assault declined in 2011, down 3% from the previous year. While all three types of sexual assault decreased, aggravated sexual assault (level 3) saw the greatest decline (-23%).
Most provinces reported a decline in the rate of sexual assaults in 2011. Of those showing increases, Prince Edward Island was the largest (+22%), yet still reported the second lowest rate.
Police-reported crime statistics in Canada, 2011
Both the volume and severity of violent crime declined in 2011. The violent crime rate fell 4% between 2010 and 2011, as did the violent CSI, marking the fifth consecutive drop in the severity of violent crime (Table 1a, Table 1b).
Similar to previous years, violent crimes accounted for about one-fifth of offences reported by police in 2011. Police reported more than 424,400 violent incidents, 14,800 fewer than in 2010.
Almost every type of violent crime decreased or remained stable in 2011, with the exception of a 7% increase in the rate of homicides, a 3% increase in the rate of sexual offences against children and a 1% increase in criminal harassment (Table 4).
I think what you do is you make the "punishment" (incarceration period) fit the crime in a way that actually protects the public and build/open and close prisons accordingly. Does very little good, in my mind, to use statistics to argue for less prisons, for example, if the incarceration of those convicted of, again for example, sexual crimes against children is 5 years for a first offense. The recidivism rate is high for those type of crimes. The incarceration period is insufficient to prevent further crimes being perpetrated, which even if you subscribed to the rehabilitation angle of incarceration as opposed to punishment, argues for a longer sentence.
I see your point. But as the Stats show we would need a lot more prisons. Just check the rates for child molestation and violent sexual assault. How many are repeat offenders.
I am not saying in any way not to lock them up. I am saying the Govt - Liberal or Con or NDP - will not do it.
Crime statistics are part of the consideration, I'm not saying they aren't relevant, they're very relevant of course. But sentence reform needs to be a part of the package as well. As does preventative measures.
If we talk about reducing DUI as a crime, for instance, what are we talking about? It should be many things. First that offenders, a good percentage of whom may be inclined to offend again, are locked up for a sufficient period to prevent repeat offences at least in rapid succession. Second, we do a better job of identifying those who can be rehabilitated and work to get them rehabilitated. Third we teach our children (always starts with children) better, help them to grow up in a society where driving while intoxicated is abhorent to them.
I think the laws themselves pretty much cover the general needs of our society well enough. But it's the other parts of the whole package that need work.
Martin Joseph Blake admitting in court to raping his own child. But despite his horrendous crime, he’s getting off with probation.
Blake, 40, of Glasgow, Montana, was initially charged with three felony counts of incest for raping his 12-year-old daughter on multiple occasions. He pleaded guilty to one felony incest charge in order to have the other two felonies dismissed.
As part of his guilty plea, Blake was sentenced to 30 years in prison, with all 30 years suspended in place of probation and having to register as a sex offender. Valley County prosecuting attorney Dylan Jensen recommended 100 years in state prison with 75 years suspended as part of a plea agreement, meaning Blake would spend 25 years in prison.
However, in his ruling, Judge John C. McKeon defended the light sentence as “quite restrictive,” and said the sentence was appropriate given Blake’s support from family, friends, and the community. Under Judge McKeon’s sentence, Blake will serve 60 days in jail, with credit for 17 days of time served, meaning he only has to spend 43 days in prison.
The kid-gloves treatment Blake received despite the crime is indicative of how embedded rape culture and white privilege is in the American judicial system.
Blake’s public defender, Casey Moore, said the sentence was appropriate, arguing that Blake had already suffered enough.
“I’m not asking that he be given a slap on the wrist,” Moore said in his argument in the courtroom. “He did spend 17 days in jail, and he did lose his job.”
However, Jensen said even if the other two felonies were dismissed, it still doesn’t mean the crime he admitted to committing wasn’t still heinous.
“A father repeatedly raped his 12-year-old daughter,” Jensen said.
Jensen told local media he was “disappointed” by Judge McKeon’s ruling. He declined to comment further.
Watch KRTV’s coverage of the Blake sentencing below:
Montana father gets probation after he admits to raping 12-year-old daughter
Blake, 40, of Glasgow, Montana, was initially charged with three felony counts of incest for raping his 12-year-old daughter on multiple occasions. He pleaded guilty to one felony incest charge in order to have the other two felonies dismissed.
As part of his guilty plea, Blake was sentenced to 30 years in prison, with all 30 years suspended in place of probation and having to register as a sex offender. Valley County prosecuting attorney Dylan Jensen recommended 100 years in state prison with 75 years suspended as part of a plea agreement, meaning Blake would spend 25 years in prison.
However, in his ruling, Judge John C. McKeon defended the light sentence as “quite restrictive,” and said the sentence was appropriate given Blake’s support from family, friends, and the community. Under Judge McKeon’s sentence, Blake will serve 60 days in jail, with credit for 17 days of time served, meaning he only has to spend 43 days in prison.
The kid-gloves treatment Blake received despite the crime is indicative of how embedded rape culture and white privilege is in the American judicial system.
Blake’s public defender, Casey Moore, said the sentence was appropriate, arguing that Blake had already suffered enough.
“I’m not asking that he be given a slap on the wrist,” Moore said in his argument in the courtroom. “He did spend 17 days in jail, and he did lose his job.”
However, Jensen said even if the other two felonies were dismissed, it still doesn’t mean the crime he admitted to committing wasn’t still heinous.
“A father repeatedly raped his 12-year-old daughter,” Jensen said.
Jensen told local media he was “disappointed” by Judge McKeon’s ruling. He declined to comment further.
Watch KRTV’s coverage of the Blake sentencing below:
Montana father gets probation after he admits to raping 12-year-old daughter
Texting driver killed a 79-year-old man. Her sentence: 4 days in jail
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6916467-texting-driver-killed-a-79-year-old-man-her-sentence-4-days-in-jail/
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6916467-texting-driver-killed-a-79-year-old-man-her-sentence-4-days-in-jail/
It is statements like this one that really show the bias of the media. They are not quoting anybody on this. This is the "opinion" of the reporter that a) these terms exist b) are the reason for the light sentence. But even if both of these exist, this is not a reporting of facts this is a blatant statement of opinion as fact.
As for the sentence, yes it was far too light. But when somebody suggests minimum sentences, the lefties go all ape sh-it over that so without the minimums, this is what you get.
Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate: Countries Compared
...us 14th
...canada 80th
Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
wow! us style sentencing will sure help bring down our crime rates
...us 14th
...canada 80th
Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com
wow! us style sentencing will sure help bring down our crime rates
Our justice system has become a joke. Much of the leniency is pc; some of it is forced because governments have spent their resources on so many unimportant issues and have let our prisons become inadequate to hold the number of criminals. As the population increases, so does the need for bigger facilities. Government does not take that into consideration.
A number of decades ago, rehabilitation became the main goal of the justice system. While it is good to give prisoners the chance to rehabilitate, it is not something that can be forced on a career criminal who chooses that way of life. I think a 'three strikes, then out' system would have been a good thing.
On top of light sentencing, we now see convicted criminals let out after serving only 1/3 of the sentence, probation for dangerous offenders, bail granted for everyone and much more catering to the criminal element. We can expect to see the situation get worse in the future.
Ask a police officer or a corrections officer what they think of the system. Just the term 'corrections officer' instead of 'jail guard' says a lot. Or 'police service' instead of 'police FORCE', as it used to be called.
A number of decades ago, rehabilitation became the main goal of the justice system. While it is good to give prisoners the chance to rehabilitate, it is not something that can be forced on a career criminal who chooses that way of life. I think a 'three strikes, then out' system would have been a good thing.
On top of light sentencing, we now see convicted criminals let out after serving only 1/3 of the sentence, probation for dangerous offenders, bail granted for everyone and much more catering to the criminal element. We can expect to see the situation get worse in the future.
Ask a police officer or a corrections officer what they think of the system. Just the term 'corrections officer' instead of 'jail guard' says a lot. Or 'police service' instead of 'police FORCE', as it used to be called.
We tried that in California. It led to massive prison overcrowding, people being sentenced to life without parole for non-violent, technical crimes, and all that fun stuff.
Well, worse in the sense of "better." Crime in Canada in 2013 was at a low not seen since 1969.
Canada?s crime rate: Two decades of decline
It's OK. They still use plenty of force. Like those Mounties that beat up that guy on a bike? And this guy. . .
Mountie dodges discipline after punching man | CTV Vancouver News