Residential Schools....Are You Kidding me

gerryh

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I actually not a f-ing idiot. I am exceptionally well educated, and I speak my mind. I'm sorry that you are not able to view this topic from any perspective other than that of bleeding heart, but that's life, eh.


Well....your parents wasted their money. It should be "Actually, I am not a f-ing idiot".

As for the rest of the bullshyte that you have posted, do a search for Native Residential Schools in Canada. You will notice that you are completely wrong.

here's a few links to get you started:

http://archives.cbc.ca/society/education/topics/692/

http://www.albertasource.ca/treaty8...ions_and_Contentions/residential_schools.html

http://www.afn.ca/residentialschools/history.html


and by the way....read my sig...it apply's to you.
 

talloola

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Do you think some of that money might be used to set up more casinos in Alberta where people can feed their addictions of gambling and smoking indoors while snubbing their noses at the law? Wouldn't that be grand! We could have our own little LV strip. Hey, maybe brothels can be built too.

ETA: and experience deep spiritual values too, at the casinos, with the smoking and gambling.

The 'apology' is for the treatment of 'young people' many years ago, who were dragged out
of their homes, and forced into residential schools, it's got nothing to do with anything
that is happening today re: casinos etc.Many of these children were physically abused and/or sexually abused. The apology is for THEM, and I can't believe you and some others
actually seem to think that isn't right? Give me a break.

Much of the behavior which 'you' refer to built up over the years, (to a people who had
all of their freedom taken away, shoved onto reservations, told that their language
and native ways were now illega), has been brought on because of, how they have been
treated long ago.
It now will take many generations to repair that problem, that WE caused.
They should have been 'left' alone to live their lives as they wish, whatever it may
have been, it was none of 'our' business. We were the intruders. Who the hell did
they think they were to come into this country and start rounding up 'real canadians'
as though they were animals and start stuffing their way of life down their throats.
 

Ariadne

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Ger's right.... You really don't have a clue. Time did not start the day you graced Earth with your presence. Residential school is NOT private school. You're letting bigotry block you from the real world and seeing just as you want.

Exsqweeze me, I don't understand your remark about gracing the earth. Are you making a personal remark?

What is residential school if it is not a private school with room, board, education, medical care, and a simulated family? Is the difference that the caring, natural parents are not contributing to their children's education? I wonder. Most parents with children in private school contribute some way, if only to exemplify caring parents full of culture.

I don't have bigotry. I am a little tired of the spirituality line that is used to squeeze the government out of more sympathy money. First nations should stop pretending they want to celebrate spirituality only to turn around and build a casino that flips the bird at the law. Link me to something that first nations have done to celebrate their spirituality, and please don't show me a totem pole - those were so last century, like the victorian age. And please don't show me a museum - those were so government funded. And please don't show me a metis that thinks he deserves special privileges because he can be metis. That foot stomping while saying ay yay yay doesn't do much for me either ... in terms of a culture.

I can link you to the spending of first nation money to provide jobs for only a portion of their population, in their own smoking casino where girls wear meter long feathers on their heads. How's that for culture. You can enjoy more culture if you put your money into a machine for hours, hoping that you'll become a millionaire. Indeed, the first nations of alberta are selling dreams but ... wait a minute ... isn't that part of the first nation culture.
 

gerryh

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Is there another link, other than the CBC, for objectivity purposes? I wouldn't want to only read a bleeding heart rendition of Canadian Politics.


I supplied you with 3 f'n links moron...or do you need it read to you too? Too many big words for your pea brain?:roll:

Better yet....why don't you try something completely different, and research it yourself. You know...learn something.
 

Ariadne

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You are proving HIGHLY uneducated on what exactly the residential school debacle is about. That you could ignore the current apologies by both Harper and Dion, for the actions of our governments in taking children away to essentially lock them up in residential schools, and demand 'proof', is evidence of that. This is not about the foster system. This is not about casinos. This is about the past.

Could you please provide a link that indicates that these children could have been better equipped for their futures, today, than to learn to speak English? Should they have not learned English? Can you provide a link demonstrating that the homes they were removed from were good homes, by 1960 and today standards - which are no different? Don't under-estimate decisions made in the past.

About the past ... and dwelling in the past ... most people that are currently dwelling in the past don't actually have their own stories, but rather they are now crying the blues for their parents. Their parents cried the blues and got buckets of money ... and now their children still don't have any idea about their culture, and apparently the last bucket of money is spent ... where does the buck stop? Maybe the generation that was already compensated for their hardship at the hands of the evil "white" people could leave a little thing called inheritance so the next generation would stop complaining.
 

Ariadne

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Bear....where The F*ck Are You!!!!!!

Good point. We would like to hear from someone that can share this culture with us ... assuming that understanding culture doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. I mean, is this culture so special that I can convert? I'd like to convert ... to this special culture ... that gets money and special law breaking privileges from the government.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Exsqweeze me, I don't understand your remark about gracing the earth. Are you making a personal remark?

What is residential school if it is not a private school with room, board, education, medical care, and a simulated family? Is the difference that the caring, natural parents are not contributing to their children's education? I wonder. Most parents with children in private school contribute some way, if only to exemplify caring parents full of culture.

I don't have bigotry. I am a little tired of the spirituality line that is used to squeeze the government out of more sympathy money. First nations should stop pretending they want to celebrate spirituality only to turn around and build a casino that flips the bird at the law. Link me to something that first nations have done to celebrate their spirituality, and please don't show me a totem pole - those were so last century, like the victorian age. And please don't show me a museum - those were so government funded. And please don't show me a metis that thinks he deserves special privileges because he can be metis. That foot stomping while saying ay yay yay doesn't do much for me either ... in terms of a culture.

I can link you to the spending of first nation money to provide jobs for only a portion of their population, in their own smoking casino where girls wear meter long feathers on their heads. How's that for culture. You can enjoy more culture if you put your money into a machine for hours, hoping that you'll become a millionaire. Indeed, the first nations of alberta are selling dreams but ... wait a minute ... isn't that part of the first nation culture.

I attended a sweetgrass ceremony in Yellowknife that was so spiritually charged it changed my life forever. I witnessed the Niska dancers perform their spiritual routines at another ceremony and the electricity in the air was palpable. These people have more spirituality in their little toe than most 'christians' have in their whole body.

The casinos is just their way of getting back at whitey.
 

Ariadne

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OMG MAN! Do you have Turrets Syndrome?

Good point ... anyone speaking in red 96 point is probably suffering from tourette's syndrome when they add all those exclamation marks ... and the swearing is obvious.

You did mean Tourette's Syndrome, not "Turrets", right?

Or is "Turret" a shining knight from the early days of northern north america, when culture and spiritually ruled, just prior to scalping.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Yes of course I meant Tourette's Syndrome...bloody google deceived me again.

I challenge Sir Turret to take my scalp. He'd have one hell of a time finding something to hold onto.

So Ariadne, I sense there is more to your defiance about this apology by our prime minister. It surely can't be a few casinos around the Calgary area. Surely you don't condone the forcible removal of children from their mothers arms to live in prison-like environments with torture and brainwashing the order of the day.
 

Ariadne

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I attended a sweetgrass ceremony in Yellowknife that was so spiritually charged it changed my life forever. I witnessed the Niska dancers perform their spiritual routines at another ceremony and the electricity in the air was palpable. These people have more spirituality in their little toe than most 'christians' have in their whole body.

The casinos is just their way of getting back at whitey.

I've been to those things ... everyone dresses up in their grandmother's clothes and stomps in a circle saying ay, yay yay, ya yah. The rhythm of any drums can be mesmerizing, but life changing only if a wasp flies up yer skirt in the bleachers. That's life changing, but not the ay yay yay in a circle.

Ah, so you think that the casino's are being built for revenge against other groups that settled in Canada (not a very politically correct attitude, by the way) ... cool how the revenge simultaneously provides all the disadvantaged people with a geographically convenient beer and smokin', feather headed, community hall. I wonder how muslim and islam new immigrants feel about handing the country's wealth plus special privileges, to someone that says "we were here first so you owe us". Maybe, in the long run, the christians won't seem that bad.
 

Ariadne

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Yes of course I meant Tourette's Syndrome...bloody google deceived me again.

I challenge Sir Turret to take my scalp. He'd have one hell of a time finding something to hold onto.

So Ariadne, I sense there is more to your defiance about this apology by our prime minister. It surely can't be a few casinos around the Calgary area. Surely you don't condone the forcible removal of children from their mothers arms to live in prison-like environments with torture and brainwashing the order of the day.

It's terrible when google can't camouflage gaps in knowledge.

I don't condone the forcible removal of children from their homes unless there is a reason, and from what I know, there were reasons. Where is the information about how these children's families were living, and where is the information about how the first nation culture was being taught to these children before they were removed from environments where they did not learn English, did not read books, did not have skills to interact nor address the modernization of society.
 

mt_pockets1000

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It is my understanding that a lot of aboriginal people were self sufficient long before Europeans arrived on the scene. Sure there were disputes between tribes that resulted in death and destruction. How is that any different than Attila the Hun rampaging across Europe or the Crusaders burning entire villages for their cause? Man is a natural predator lets face it. The christians attempted to 'save' these unfortunate souls (I still chuckle at that one) and the aboriginals were removed from their normal way of life, forced to live in communities and villages rather than wander the land to hunt and live as they were accustomed to do. Some were dropped off in the farthest reaches of the north with hardly more than the clothes on their backs, just so Canada could have a 'presence' in the north. These changes affected them so much they could not adapt. It was forced on them. There is a document I read recently written in the mid 1800's that called for the total annihilation of the redman, whether by force or assimilation. Newfoundland did her part by totally wiping out the Beothuk race from the planet. Terrible. The people of Davis Inlet were found wandering the barrens of Labrador, near death from starvation because they refused to the bitter end to adhere to the whiteman's ways. They're still defiant today, although the fight is gone out of them.

There is no glory to be found in our treatment of Canada's first nations people. They have every right to be bitter. The residential school tragedy is just another in a long list of poor schemes by church and state. I hope this is a step forward by our government and will lead us to healing this major rift in our country.
 

Zzarchov

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I've been to those things ... everyone dresses up in their grandmother's clothes and stomps in a circle saying ay, yay yay, ya yah. The rhythm of any drums can be mesmerizing, but life changing only if a wasp flies up yer skirt in the bleachers. That's life changing, but not the ay yay yay in a circle.

Ah, so you think that the casino's are being built for revenge against other groups that settled in Canada (not a very politically correct attitude, by the way) ... cool how the revenge simultaneously provides all the disadvantaged people with a geographically convenient beer and smokin', feather headed, community hall. I wonder how muslim and islam new immigrants feel about handing the country's wealth plus special privileges, to someone that says "we were here first so you owe us". Maybe, in the long run, the christians won't seem that bad.

Im curious what you think any culture is?

Define what culture you have and what makes it a culture instead of just prancing around or eating funny foods? I bet I can pick apart anything you try and claim as culture.
 

karrie

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It's terrible when google can't camouflage gaps in knowledge.

I don't condone the forcible removal of children from their homes unless there is a reason, and from what I know, there were reasons. Where is the information about how these children's families were living, and where is the information about how the first nation culture was being taught to these children before they were removed from environments where they did not learn English, did not read books, did not have skills to interact nor address the modernization of society.

Yes, yes, that is sad when gaps in knowledge are so apparent, isn't it ariadne?

You're being ethnocentric in assuming that native children needed, at any point in time, to be living like us. You see, they'd done this neat thing called 'treaties', which were meant to help them maintain their way of life. Because what they wanted and what we wanted weren't the same. But, instead of leaving it at that, it was decided that an entire generation of children ought to be whisked off, based solely on race (as it was applied to many children, not selectively by circumstance), and 're-educated' to the standard of 'us'.

Now, dwelling in the past isn't a great route to take, I'll grant you that. But pretending that the breaking up of families, the institutionalized abuse and molestation of children, was okay in some way, just irks me to no end. There's a reason we've had to pay reparations, there's a reason our politicians are apologizing.

And no, I'm not going to fish out links to fill in your gaps in knowledge. You seem proud of your capabilities, do it yourself.