Remembrance Day
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Are the innocents deliberate targets by the US, Canadian, Brits that are fighting in Afghanistan?
Anyone who has lived with a large family, or in a University residence, or worked in a reasonably large company, can see why human beings in general will never have 'peace'. It's not something humans are capable of.
Bull****, humanity has already "proven" that we are capable of whatever we want. Defeatism though, gaurantees that we won't achieve what we can.
You didn't mention the Germans or the French...8O
(...or the Italians or the Spanish in the UN that're over there too, I guess...)
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You are assuming that no children would have died if the Allies hadn't declared war on the Axis powers. You are, of course, completely wrong.
Really? You honestly believe that human beings could live 'in peace'?
Do you ever drive in rush hour traffic?
SO far, the only one of you that has been honest and answered the question is tenpenny.
My father died fighting during WWII.
Every Nov 11th I attend the ceremony to honour him and all those that died helping secure my freedom.
All those who think this is the glorification of war can go suck on a cactus.
Every Nov 11th I attend the ceremony to honour him and all those that died helping secure my freedom.
All those who think this is the glorification of war can go suck on a cactus.
No it's not..... I've answered it, and tenpenny has answered it. The only reason you and others won't is because you are unwilling to accept or acknowledge what your "freedom" costs.
It's not olny the death or sacrifice of those that have "Volunteered" but also the death of countless innocents.
It's obvious I am of an oppositer mindset from the rest of you. Those that have died for "king and country" have done so willingly, the innocents that have been killed in the crossfire, or, in some instances killed on purpose, did not do so willingly. They are the ones I mourn, the ones the rest of you conveniently ignore.
Remembrance day is a hollow "celebration". One that has no true meaning. It does nothing to prevent the horrors.
Freedom costs. I don't think that is in dispute. Howver, you are falsely assuming there is no cost associated with not being free. While you may feel that Joos, homosexuals and gypsies didn't pay a price under Hitler, I do. Therefore, people were "paying" regardless of whether the Allies acted or not. In other words, your question is dishonest.
In addition, the Allied soldiers were fighting more so for the freedom of Europeans than for their own.
Actually, you and I are much the same mindset. You are just a bit confused.
Balogna. You mean it's the only reason you can see.
Yes, it is.
You are entitled to your opinion. But opinions can be wrong. Obviously, yours can be wrong, too.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I have already stated that I would rather spend the rest of my life in solitary than have the death of innocent being the payment for my freedom. I'll expand on that, I would rather forfieght my own life than have the payment for my life or freedom being the life of another. I am not so arrogant or selfish to feel that my own life or freedom is worth anothers life.
I doubt that very much.
That's cool. So instead of those young kids joining the military, cops, or something, you should put your life on the line to save one of them, right? Because sacrificing themselves to save others is what they do.
Ron
Reason being not all are doing the fighting - The germans untill recently could not report sightings of Taliban to NATO - one of their caveats - The Italians bribed the Taliban and the French ended up being slaughtered. The Germans can now engage and we saw waht happened - they called an air strike on stolen fuel tankers and many civilians were killed -
Gerryh:
"I'll expand on that, I would rather forfieght my own life than have the payment for my life or freedom being the life of another. I am not so arrogant or selfish to feel that my own life or freedom is worth anothers life."
I am not sure I totally understand what your saying. My version of what you said would be
"I would lay down my life and freedom to preserve another's life and freedom." Pretty much sums up what Remembrance, Veterans Day should mean.
Just remember those who gave their live and limbs so you can live your life as you chose. They and only they gave you that choice.
"I'll expand on that, I would rather forfieght my own life than have the payment for my life or freedom being the life of another. I am not so arrogant or selfish to feel that my own life or freedom is worth anothers life."
I am not sure I totally understand what your saying. My version of what you said would be
"I would lay down my life and freedom to preserve another's life and freedom." Pretty much sums up what Remembrance, Veterans Day should mean.
Just remember those who gave their live and limbs so you can live your life as you chose. They and only they gave you that choice.
So would I. That doesn't mean I would not fight oppression.
I'm not surprised.