Religious Holiday - should we stop?

[Karlin]

No, don't stop having the holiday, thats not what I mean. We could use more of them.

Stop celebrating various religious themes as national holidays IS what I mean.

In this more tolerant world, all religions are respected in Canada. That includes athiesm , somehow, too.

Celebrating the day Jesus may or may not have rising from the "dead or nearly dead" state that he may, or may not, have been in after maybe being executed on a cross, is just not doing the job of embracing everyone or celebrating something we all share in.

What national holidays should be [root of the word aside] is things that we all agree should be celebrated. It would be best if they were things that are essential to life on eart of essential to Canadian Culture [and that does NOT include religion of any kind!].


I am thinking a theme like , for eg., National Ozone Day,the way it helps us, how it works is miraculous and essential for life on earth.
I don't think we should celebrate "all of nature" or "the environment" because the message just gets lost in the broad scope. These holidays should raise awareness and celebrate these essential things.

Ok, so not Ozone, but maybe the SUN, or bodily processes like digestion - National Colon Day - or "The Tree" or Mammals Day.

Whatever, i am sure there are suggestions galore.The main point is to get away from religious holidays, as an extension of separating religion and politics. And personally, as a way to start the process of just forgetting all about religions. That would solve half our problems right away, or maybe all of them.

Karlin
- A Proud Athiest standing up for our equal rights- :twisted:

 

[Colpy]

Guess what, Karlin?

You may be an atheist, as is your right......but you live in a Christian country.............so just enjoy the holiday in your own way, and let the majority enjoy it in their's.

 

[tracy]

I don't think of Canada as a Christian country and I don't consider myself a Christian either, but I don't see why anyone would have any problem with the way the holidays are celebrated in Canada. I don't believe Jesus rose from the dead on Easter, but I enjoy the holiday anyways. At worst, most of you get a day off work.

 

[the caracal kid]

Yes, lets rename the "personal celebration days" to something generic.

I don't consider this land "christian"; not in the least.

But with easter, maybe we should name it back to ester and celebrate the pagan holiday the christians took over in their quest to convert the pagans?

 

[I think not]

PART I

Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Sounds pretty Christian to me.

 

[the caracal kid]

well, ITN, "G-d" with a capital G can refers customarily to the abrahamic tyrant, so using your argument we could say this crap-hole is either Jewish or Islamic.

The west is still stuck in the dark ages.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Religious Holiday - should we stop?

well, ITN, "G-d" with a capital G can refers customarily to the abrahamic tyrant, so using your argument we could say this crap-hole is either Jewish or Islamic.

The west is still stuck in the dark ages.

I would agree with you, BUT, your Head of State says your dead wrong, unless of course, she has converted.

 

[Jersay]

Interesting the discussion you got.

Should we have national holidays that are recognized by everyone. I think no.

Now, I'm not Christian and I don't think Canada is so don't start about that.

 

[I think not]

Interesting the discussion you got.

Should we have national holidays that are recognized by everyone. I think no.

Now, I'm not Christian and I don't think Canada is so don't start about that.

What you think or believe doesn't make Canada any less of a nation founded upon Christian principles and beliefs. It's in back and white in your Charter and a cross resting on top of the Queen's crown. What more proof do you want?

 

[Jersay]

back and white??

 

[Jersay]

Religions
Top Self-Identified Religious Affiliations in Canada 1991 2001 % change
(in numbers)
Number % Number %
Christian 81 73
- Roman Catholic 12,203,625 45.2 12,793,125 43.2 +4.8
- Christian Orthodox 387,395 1.4 479,620 1.6 +23.8
- Total Other Christian 9,427,675 34.9 8,654,845 29.2 -8.2
- United Church of Canada 3,093,120 11.3 2,839,125 9.5 -8.2
- Anglican Church of Canada 2,188,110 8.0 2,035,495 6.8 -7.0
- Baptist 663,360 2.4 729,475 2.4 +10.0
- Lutheran 636,205 2.3 606,590 2.0 -4.7
- Presbyterian 636,295 2.3 409,830 1.4 -35.6
- Pentecostal 436,435 1.6 369,475 1.2 -15.3
- Mennonite 207,970 0.8 191,465 0.6 -7.9
- Jehovah's Witnesses 168,375 0.6 154,745 0.5 -8.1
- Mormon 100,770 0.4 104,750 0.3 +3.9
- Salvation Army 112,345 0.4 87,785 0.3 -21.9
- Christian Reformed Church in North America 84,685 0.3 76,665 0.3 -9.5
- Evangelical Missionary Church of Canada 44,935 0.2 66,705 0.2 +48.4
- Christian and Missionary Alliance 59,365 0.2 66,280 0.2 +11.9
- Adventists 52,365 0.2 62,875 0.2 +20.1
- Christian, not included elsewhere¹ 353,040 1.3 780,450 2.6 +121.1
No religion 3,333,245 12.3 4,796,325 16.2 +43.9
Other
- Muslim 253,265 0.9 579,640 2.0 +128.9
- Jewish 318,185 1.2 329,995 1.1 +3.7
- Buddhist 163,415 0.6 300,345 1.0 +83.8
- Hindu 157,015 0.6 297,200 1.0 +89.3
- Sikh 147,440 0.5 278,415 0.9 +88.8
¹ Includes persons who report only “Christian”, only "Protestant", and those in denominations less than 60,000
* For comparability purposes, 1991 data are presented according to 2001 boundaries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Languages

 

[I think not]

Sorry it was black and white, and your stats don't mean a thing. Your Head of State is Defender of the Faith, send her a letter telling her Canada isn't founded upon Christian prinicples and to strike the opening statement of your Charter, then maybe you will have something to go by.

 

[Jersay]

Yes, sir.

i will do that, ITN< sir. :wink:

 

[I think not]

There is no need to be saracastic Jersay, I didn't say I agreed with it, it doesn't make it any less true however.

 

[Jersay]

I'm not, and I apologize if I sounded sarcastic. I have been writing all day letters to the government, one more to the GG wouldn't hurt.

 

[the caracal kid]

That is assuming one recognizes the queen as anything at all, or the charter for that matter.

I don't. I don't for the particular reason brought up amungst others.

The queen and charter are irrelevent to modern canadianna. The multicultural, liberal, socialist, free-thinking nature of this country runs in contrast to the old superstitions, idolizations, and traditions.

 

[I think not]

I'm not, and I apologize if I sounded sarcastic. I have been writing all day letters to the government, one more to the GG wouldn't hurt.

Funny you said that, I sent out two f*ck you letters to Senator Clinton and one to my Representative today. And if I don't get an answer, I'm going to the Representatives Office.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Religious Holiday - should we stop?

That is assuming one recognizes the queen as anything at all, or the charter for that matter.

I don't. I don't for the particular reason brought up amungst others.

The queen and charter are irrelevent to modern canadianna. The multicultural, liberal, socialist, free-thinking nature of this country runs in contrast to the old superstitions, idolizations, and traditions.

It doesn't matter what you THINK, it doesn't change facts. Words get lost in time, text stays.

 

[the caracal kid]

when enough people voice a difference with the status quo, change occurs. So indeed what I think matters.

Some day the old superstitions and the monarchy will only be recorded in the history books. That will be either because canadianna changes, or canadianna ceases to be. Either one works.

 

[I think not]

Voices won't change history, and that is what some tend to strive for. Canada was and is a Christian nation, what happens in the future is anybody's guess. And besides, seems to me your logic is faulty. I quoted your Charter, your Head of State, your government funds Christian schools with public money, you have no separation of Church and State (How could you with the Charter and the Queen) and according to Jesrsay's post, 80% of your country believes in one form of Christianity or another.

So? what's your argument? If it's about the future, more power to you, however, you cannot deny the past nor the present.