Religion - Questions

[Cliffy]

Just in that you are bringing it up now.

For some it is a holy day. I was told by the Legion president that the area around our cenotaph is considered sacred ground.
The one in Quesnel has a plaque dedicated to the glorious dead, which I found strange.

 

[JLM]

For some it is a holy day. I was told by the Legion president that the area around our cenotaph is considered sacred ground.
The one in Quesnel has a plaque dedicated to the glorious dead, which I found strange.

Yes, it's always been a serious and sombre day for me, my grandfather served in WW1 and I had three uncles who served in WW2 luckily they all came back alive and a couple of them much the worse for it. My grandfather took a sniff of mustard gas. Canada lost 60 thousand in WW1 and 40 odd thousand soldiers in WW2. My old home town Duncan B.C. sent over more soldiers per capita than any other city in the Commonwealth in WW1.

 

[gerryh]

Yes, it's always been a serious and sombre day for me, my grandfather served in WW1 and I had three uncles who served in WW2 luckily they all came back alive and a couple of them much the worse for it. My grandfather took a sniff of mustard gas. Canada lost 60 thousand in WW1 and 40 odd thousand soldiers in WW2. My old home town Duncan B.C. sent over more soldiers per capita than any other city in the Commonwealth in WW1.

so, Duncan's the murderer capital of the commonwealth eh.

 

[gopher]

''Aren't religious people supposed to be gentle, peace loving and considerate?''

More people have been killed in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history.

 

[JLM]

so, Duncan's the murderer capital of the commonwealth eh.

That's not what I said Gerry.

 

[gerryh]

That's not what I said Gerry.

Yes, the largest contributor to the murderfest between 1914 and 1918.

 

[JLM]

Yes, the largest contributor to the murderfest between 1914 and 1918.

No, not every soldier is in the front line killing people, some are cooks, some work in the laundry, some work radios, some do reconnaisance and surveying. We're just damn lucky they went or we might be speaking German today and flying the swastika. :smile:

 

[gerryh]

They supported it, they are just as guilty as those that pulled the trigger. How many 15,16,17 year old German children were killed for the glory of king and country.

 

[JLM]

They supported it, they are just as guilty as those that pulled the trigger. How many 15,16,17 year old German children were killed for the glory of king and country.

But I suppose it would have been OK to let Hitler continue killing Jews (and other minorities) in gas ovens?

 

[JLM]

They supported it, they are just as guilty as those that pulled the trigger. How many 15,16,17 year old German children were killed for the glory of king and country.

Gerry- I don't particularly like my relatives being characterized as a bunch of murderers, especially since they are partly responsible for you to be able to move your sorry ass around at will today without fear of oppression and I doubt like hell if you'd have the guts to say it to my face. 8O

 

[MHz]

But I suppose it would have been OK to let Hitler continue killing Jews (and other minorities) in gas ovens?

That is not what WWII was fought over, most accounts say they weren't aware of that aspect until very near the wars end. Try to get a few facts right.

 

[JLM]

That is not what WWII was fought over, most accounts say they weren't aware of that aspect until very near the wars end. Try to get a few facts right.

That wasn't the reason the Allies got into the War the straw that broke the camel's back was the invasion of Poland among other countries, but who really gives a sh*t. As far as getting my facts right tell that to the relatives of 6 million dead Jews. You are not very convincing about religion and you are even less convincing about war.

 

[MHz]

since they are partly responsible for you to be able to move your sorry ass around at will today without fear of oppression

The excuse/reasoning we use to be in Afghanistan is called freedom, we are doing nothing towards that end but we are doing to them just what you feared we would experience at the hands of the Nazis. Maybe bringing over all those SS Officers was not such a great idea after all. Anybody going to quiz anybody over that move, I thought not.

 

[JLM]

MHz- I'm attaching a little history for you so in future you can sprinkle a few facts among your incessant blatherings.

Holocaust Facts - 33 Facts You Should Know About the Holocaust

The excuse/reasoning we use to be in Afghanistan is called freedom, we are doing nothing towards that end but we are doing to them just what you feared we would experience at the hands of the Nazis. Maybe bringing over all those SS Officers was not such a great idea after all. Anybody going to quiz anybody over that move, I thought not.

Not according to the citizens of Afghanistan.

 

[MHz]

That wasn't the reason the Allies got into the War the straw that broke the camel's back was the invasion of Poland among other countries, but who really gives a sh*t.

After all, they are only facts right?

As far as getting my facts right tell that to the relatives of 6 million dead Jews. You are not very convincing about religion and you are even less convincing about war.

Debunk this person's view of what the facts are.
YouTube - Benjamin H. Freedman - A Jewish Defector Warns America (1 of 9)

Not according to the citizens of Afghanistan.

Got some quotes from the rebels do you?

 

[Goober]

I assume that is with as little bashing as possible. It's too bad the term 'busy body' wasn't given about a page long definition. It seems like it might be more than just one or two bad social habits.

When it comes to religious beliefs. I like many believe that it is that persons business. I do not and never have gone face to face with anyone and ridiculed their Religious or Non Religious beliefs.That behavior is just plain ignorant and i am sure one of the big 10 covers my belief in that. A Forum is a differing beast and is less constrained than interaction one on one.

I do see how so many take religion, any religion and then twist it to form and meet their own personal bias, hatred, genocidal self.

I also see how many in Canada do not think twice about attacking a person for a Christian belief but do not act the same towards persons that are in a Religious minority. Those types are lacking Character and they should take a long hard look at their own belief system as it is clearly biased and hypocritical.

''Aren't religious people supposed to be gentle, peace loving and considerate?''

More people have been killed in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history.

Let me see now who have you forgotten
Mao - approx 70 Million
Stalin - 20 million or so
Hitler 11 million -

Genghis Khan - throw a few 10's of millions in to that total
Arabs - They are Muslim and follow the Quran
The Japanese in the 20th century - Shinto.

So once again a statement that is completely biased and clearly demonstrates a lack of knowledge

 

[DaSleeper]

This thread went full circle and is now turned into a joo bashing thread by our resident Jew Hater......

 

[MHz]

When it comes to religious beliefs. I like many believe that it is that persons business. I do not and never have gone face to face with anyone and ridiculed their Religious or Non Religious beliefs.That behavior is just plain ignorant and i am sure one of the big 10 covers my belief in that. A Forum is a differing beast and is less constrained than interaction one on one.

Post #126 wasn't mine. Maybe that face-to-face thing is the way to go,. given a constructive place to debate the issues where it is openly broadcast to everybody. The trend today is do a bunch of backroom deals and then make a partial announcement that may have left out many more things than they include. If that is the system that the 'freest people' are using then it is more than likely they are being lied to and they don't give a **** because the lie makes the feel good about their position in the world.(like the main room at the UN)

I do see how so many take religion, any religion and then twist it to form and meet their own personal bias, hatred, genocidal self.

It's the same thing really, the Bible doesn't allow for much aggression against anybody, yet some of the biggest Churches in the 'West' promote massive wars as being the only 'humane' way to solve an issue. If the people sitting in the pews don't speak up and challenge the 'validity of the sermon' the a blatant lie gets acted on as if it wass the truth. Correcting a lie takes time and usually a great deal of effort, if nobody does it there is no freedom. Unfortunately the two biggest war/fear mongers in the news these days is the US and Israel. Both of them appear to be very religious in the background but their action cannot be separated from the worst of the worst in the past.

I also see how many in Canada do not think twice about attacking a person for a Christian belief but do not act the same towards persons that are in a Religious minority. Those types are lacking Character and they should take a long hard look at their own belief system as it is clearly biased and hypocritical.

Could you put some labels in there so I don't apply the wrong ones?

I would apply it to wars fought for 'Christian ideals' when the real underlying cause was simply a war for possession of some land and all the treasures that can be found there, that is still by far the most common reason for aggression and deception today.

This thread went full circle and is now turned into a joo bashing thread by our resident Jew Hater......

Which part do you take as being the 'bashing', being set up for a slaughter was something designed by the Rothschild, they could have moved them there for less money that the cost od both WW's and all the expenses associated with that area since the end of the 2nd war. If anything that is bashing the bankers rather than some Jews who are nothing more than pawns in the overall scheme of things. If they were at all really important to their benefactors they would have been 'rescued' before either war. Grow some ****ing skin.

Want a religious topic, Is Israel of toady mentioned in Scripture?

 

[Goober]

Post #126 wasn't mine. Maybe that face-to-face thing is the way to go,. given a constructive place to debate the issues where it is openly broadcast to everybody. The trend today is do a bunch of backroom deals and then make a partial announcement that may have left out many more things than they include. If that is the system that the 'freest people' are using then it is more than likely they are being lied to and they don't give a **** because the lie makes the feel good about their position in the world.(like the main room at the UN)


It's the same thing really, the Bible doesn't allow for much aggression against anybody, yet some of the biggest Churches in the 'West' promote massive wars as being the only 'humane' way to solve an issue. If the people sitting in the pews don't speak up and challenge the 'validity of the sermon' the a blatant lie gets acted on as if it wass the truth. Correcting a lie takes time and usually a great deal of effort, if nobody does it there is no freedom. Unfortunately the two biggest war/fear mongers in the news these days is the US and Israel. Both of them appear to be very religious in the background but their action cannot be separated from the worst of the worst in the past.


Could you put some labels in there so I don't apply the wrong ones?

I would apply it to wars fought for 'Christian ideals' when the real underlying cause was simply a war for possession of some land and all the treasures that can be found there, that is still by far the most common reason for aggression and deception today.

I work with a number of Muslims, we discuss religion, terror, crime, beliefs the Quran all the time. We see the many things we have in common not just in religion but in how we want to provide and support our families.
These discussions are not in your face but where each respects the other. That is what many miss. Some on this forum have stated i am a Muslim hater, not fact. i am for human rights, which many Arab countries are lacking.
I spoke with a friend of mine the other day, from Pakistan.This was over 20 years ago. He returned with his family to Pakistan after 3 months or so in Canada. Had difficulty integrating into society in Canada as it was such that he had no experience with. He was back in Pakistan and returned to Canada within a few months as he then had a chance to compare what was best for him and his family. Been here more than 20 plus years.


You sate some of the largest Churches support Wars, which ones would they be.

 

[MHz]

You sate some of the largest Churches support Wars, which ones would they be.

It's not a small group and their (desired) policy is anything but benign.

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