Redefining pedophilia

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

None have done anything to my grandchildren, so none have been "dispatched".......your word. See........you would.

Well I hope you are never put into that position Nuggler. I would not wish it on anyone and in that case I would say that it would be a tougher decision than you think. Not because you would not be infuriated or even within your right, but because there would be far more to consider than getting even; including being around for your Grandchild who would not only fall victim to a scumbag, but lose their grandfather in the process.

 

[Stretch]

Christ they've even come up with an exotic way to spell it. Nothing like dignifying it!

well, thats how the dictionary spells it

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

and it would be bye bye nuggler, and jlm, and taxslave. So, the big tough guys offed a pedophile, but effectively abandoned the rest of their family. There's intelligence.

Assuming you could find 12 men of their peers that would convict given the circumstances. Given the media circus that would no doubt surround such an action, I am not sure you could.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Assuming you could find 12 men of their peers that would convict given the circumstances. Given the media circus that would no doubt surround such an action, I am not sure you could.

The courts would make an example of any vigilante.

 

[gerryh]

One must remember, a judge does have the option of jury nullification.

 

[SLM]

I have absolutely no problem with classifying this as a disorder. Perhaps understanding the nature of it more clearly will help in preventing it from happening. I am all for that.

I do have a huge problem with classifying it as a sexual orientation. In "normalization" lies "acceptance" and I refuse to go down that road.

And armchair vigilantes with a one-stop solution for all, I have this to say....

 

[karrie]

For some, love of their children or grandchildren would be more important than saving their sorry ass. Bravado aside.

If you love your children, you make it clear that you would NEVER do such a thing. Why? Because one of the most common reasons that kids don't come forward about sex crimes, is so that they don't risk seeing daddy go off to jail for killing the bastard.

 

[Nuggler]

I have absolutely no problem with classifying this as a disorder. Perhaps understanding the nature of it more clearly will help in preventing it from happening. I am all for that.

I do have a huge problem with classifying it as a sexual orientation. In "normalization" lies "acceptance" and I refuse to go down that road.

And armchair vigilantes with a one-stop solution for all, I have this to say....

It's not a "one stop solution for all". Most definitely a solution in the case of child molestation, rape, sadism, etc. I would invite you to come and watch the vigilantism, and see your lovely eye roll then. Hopefully it'll never happen.

One must remember, a judge does have the option of jury nullification.

Gerry, I'd take that chance. Really.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

If you love your children, you make it clear that you would NEVER do such a thing. Why? Because one of the most common reasons that kids don't come forward about sex crimes, is so that they don't risk seeing daddy go off to jail for killing the bastard.

Well said Karrie, but likely to fall on deaf ears. Even when spoken to with respect it seems easier to accuse others of not loving their children enough to kill for them.

 

[karrie]

Well said Karrie, but likely to fall on deaf ears. Even when spoken to with respect it seems easier to accuse others of not loving their children enough to kill for them.

Well, my dad loved me enough to kill for me, so I dealt with it in silence. I wish more men would absorb that fact.

 

[SLM]

It's not a "one stop solution for all". Most definitely a solution in the case of child molestation, rape, sadism, etc. I would invite you to come and watch the vigilantism, and see your lovely eye roll then. Hopefully it'll never happen.

It's trash talk and nothing more.

From someone who's been on the victim side, the "solution" you speak of is absolutely meaningless and only would serve to compound the horror.

Well, my dad loved me enough to kill for me, so I dealt with it in silence. I wish more men would absorb that fact.

Many of us suffered in silence, for a great many reasons.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I don't have any daughters and all of my sons are now grown, but I do understand the visceral reaction to such a thing and I can't say 100% how I would have reacted if it was one of my kids. So I completely understand wanting to kill the bugger. I saw a guy smack his wife once in my presence when I was about 17 or 18 and I took matters into my own hands before ejecting him from our house and calling the police. He was arrested and later bailed out by his step-daughters.

The issue is that Pedophiles are not given the sentence to fit the crime and pose a real danger of re-offending.

Nuggler says what he is thinking and I completely get the visceral side of it. I'm just not prepared to say I would or would not do something if it were my child or grandchild, I am just saying that there is a lot to consider before you go down that road.

 

[JLM]

It all depends on how understanding the judge is. About 30 years a guy caught someone trying to sell his daughter drugs, so he grabbed the guy and dropped him off a trestle right in front of an oncoming freight. The judge applauded the guy but said he just couldn't condone it and gave the guy a year in jail. Had it have been me I'd have given him a year and then suspended it.

 

[SLM]

I don't have any daughters and all of my sons are now grown, but I do understand the visceral reaction to such a thing and I can't say 100% how I would have reacted if it was one of my kids. So I completely understand wanting to kill the bugger. I saw a guy smack his wife once in my presence when I was about 17 or 18 and I took matters into my own hands before ejecting him from our house and calling the police. He was arrested and later bailed out by his step-daughters.

The issue is that Pedophiles are not given the sentence to fit the crime and pose a real danger of re-offending.

Nuggler says what he is thinking and I completely get the visceral side of it. I'm just not prepared to say I would or would not do something if it were my child or grandchild, I am just saying that there is a lot to consider before you go down that road.

Believe me, I get the visceral reaction completely. I went through years where I understood exactly what the meaning of hate really is. My intial "eye roll" was not directed at any one particular individual, but a reaction to a couple of threads in a row of "Here's what I would do..." which, to me, just sounds like trash talking. Because you are absolutely right, you don't know what you would do in that kind of situation until you are absolutely in it. And this is a topic worth more than trash talking, in my opinion.

And you're correct again, the true issue is that the sentences are not appropriate, not by a long shot. That and the absurd, ridiculous idea put forth in the article in the OP suggesting it should be considered a sexual orientation. Wrong, wrong and wrong in my opinion.