Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he's asked intelligence services to find a way to brief Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference allegations involving his party — and possibly to share "some names" with the Conservative leader.
Some? Really?
"I have asked the security services to figure out a way to give some information to the leader of the Opposition so that he can actually fulfil his responsibility of protecting Canadians, including those within his own caucus," Trudeau said during question period Wednesday.
And if they could do it now, they could’ve done it years ago….
"It would be easier (??For Whom, for what??) if he got his security clearance, but I've asked them to give him some information nonetheless."
Ok. Sure.
His comments prolong an ongoing, bitter back-and-forth about political foreign interference and Poilievre's refusal to date to go through the screening process to obtain a security clearance.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he's asked intelligence services to find a way to brief Pierre Poilievre about foreign interference allegations involving his party — and possibly to share "some names" with the Conservative leader.
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Pierre Poilievre will receive a briefing on national security matters from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service — without being required to obtain special clearance that he has said would constrain his ability to publicly hold the government to account, his office announced Saturday.
Poilievre responded that if Trudeau wants to release names, "he can legally do it now on the floor of the House of Commons."
The move comes more than a month after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who has repeatedly criticized Mr. Poilievre for refusing top-level security clearance, announced he would ask security services to find another way to brief his rival on foreign interference targeting the Conservatives.
The Opposition leader has long argued against getting that clearance by saying he would be bound by secrecy laws and couldn't speak openly or challenge the government.
The Official Opposition Leader’s office said the briefing will take place this coming week.
“We are interested in what CSIS has to say,” Sebastian Skamski, director of media relations for Mr. Poilievre’s office, said in a statement.
Last week, government House leader Karina Gould accused Poilievre of "hiding something from Canadians" through his refusal to get the national security clearance he needs to review classified documents??? The old secret agenda….
He said the Privy Council Office (PCO), a central agency of the federal government, confirmed to the Opposition Leader’s Office that the briefing would be offered under rules that allow CSIS to brief people regardless of that person’s security classification.
“On Dec. 5, 2024, PCO confirmed our position,” Mr. Skamski said, adding the agency told the Conservatives in an e-mail that “the government is in a position to disclose the classified information pursuant to legislated authorities (Threat Reduction Measures (TRM).” Go figure…
"Does he think he might not be able to pass a security clearance, or does he know something and he's trying to hide it? Or is there something that he's trying to protect?"
Gould said in an accompanying video.
In October, the Prime Minister appeared before a public inquiry probing foreign interference and his government’s role in combatting it. During testimony where he answered questions about his record in fighting foreign interference, Mr. Trudeau redirected the focus to the Official Opposition. He announced he had been given the names of past and present Conservative parliamentarians and candidates who are linked to foreign interference. He criticized Mr. Poilievre for not applying for clearance.
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Near the end of October, Mr. Trudeau alleged Mr. Poilievre’s refusal to obtain a security clearance was a dereliction of his duty.
“The leader of the Opposition has failed at his responsibility to keep his own MPs safe from foreign interference,” Mr. Trudeau said on Oct. 30.
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Conservative spokesperson Sebastian Skamski said Poilievre isn't concerned about going through the security check and pointed out that he's already been through the process as a cabinet minister.
“So, I have asked the security services to figure out a way to give some information to the leader of the Opposition so that he can actually fulfill his responsibility of protecting Canadians, including those within his own caucus.”
This spat between Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Poilievre began in June after the release of a report by the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP), which said some parliamentarians are collaborating with foreign governments such as China and India to advance their own interests. It also said Beijing and New Delhi allegedly interfered in Conservative leadership races.
"Submitting private personal information to a security clearance check is not a concern for Mr. Poilievre, nor has he ever expressed that as a concern," Skamski said.
Mr. Poilievre has refused to apply for the security clearance necessary to read the unredacted report, saying the obligations of this clearance would restrict his ability to discuss and hold the government to account on what he had learned.
"To the contrary, Mr. Poilievre's objection is that he will be silenced by the Trudeau Liberal government — a view which he has repeatedly stated publicly."
He has maintained since June that CSIS officials can brief him under the agency’s threat-reduction-measure mandate if federal officials feel there are foreign interference concerns about his party or caucus that should be brought to his attention….& here we are???
Speaking to a parliamentary committee Tuesday, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) director Dan Rogers said it's better for party leaders to be "knowledgeable" about foreign interference.
“Should the Government have relevant information, they are empowered by Section 12.1 of the CSIS Act to brief an individual using Threat Reduction Measures (TRM), regardless of security clearance status,” Mr. Skamski said.
Stephanie Carvin, a former national-security analyst and a professor at Carleton University, said she’s concerned in this tussle between the Liberals and Conservatives that security is becoming politicized.
"From our perspective, the more knowledgeable that party leaders are about the threat of foreign interference, some of the specifics we've seen through our intelligence, the more they can be aware and the more they may be able to take actions appropriate within their own party," he said.
“Canada has largely avoided the politicization of intelligence that we’ve seen in other democracies, such as our closest allies, U.S. and the U.K.,” Prof. Carvin said. “A every opportunity, I feel like Parliament has shirked its responsibility to treat this seriously,” she said. “It bothers me that political parties would use this as a chance to score points.”
He said if a leader doesn't have a security clearance, CSIS will look at other mechanisms to reduce a threat. Oh? So this was an option all along?
"If a leader chooses to have a clearance, we can have a broader conversation with them about the details of the threat and certain types of intelligence," said Rogers.
CBC has reached out to CSIS to ask if it would be willing to share with Poilievre the names of parliamentarians allegedly involved in foreign interference.
The move comes more than a month after Trudeau said he would ask security services to find another way to brief Poilievre on foreign interference targeting the Conservatives
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