Rapporteur David Johnson, Eminent Canadian

Ron in Regina

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Official...public inquiry is a go.

172 Yays to 149 Nays

Former Liberal now Indy MP Han Dong voted Yay. Go figure
Interesting. Joe Biden quizzing Justin Trudeau on Chinese interference in Canada isn’t on the official agenda for the presidential visit but it’s bound to come up.

The U.S. President will want to know how serious the situation is and what Canada’s Prime Minister is doing to stop it.

It wouldn’t be surprising for Biden to ask Trudeau if his government has been infiltrated or compromised given the headlines of the last few weeks. Joining Biden on his trip to Ottawa are Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser, and homeland-security adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall.

It’s been widely discussed that one of the reasons Canada has been left out of recent security operations with the Americans and other allies has been Canada’s relationship with China under Trudeau. It was less than two weeks ago that Biden was joined at a naval yard in San Diego by British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to announce the acceleration of a new defence pact.

Absent from that announcement was Trudeau.

Canada wasn’t asked to join this AUKUS partnership for two reasons, our pitiful spending on the military and the growing concerns about China. The new partnership isn’t just about nuclear submarines for Australia but also about intelligence sharing.

Our allies don’t trust us like they used to.
It also wouldn’t be surprising to find out the Americans are investigating us once again in relation to China like they did back in the 1990s.

The upcoming book The Mosaic Effect: How the Chinese Communist Party Started a Hybrid War in America’s Backyard, details how the Americans launched operation Dragon Lord into China’s efforts in Canada. Authors Scott McGregor and Ina Mitchell reveal that American agencies — including the FBI, CIA and Department of Justice — were all concerned about China’s efforts at the time to infiltrate Canadian business, cultural and political circles.

That late 1990s investigation came about shortly after Project Sidewinder, a joint CSIS and RCMP study of China’s infiltration in Canada was leaked creating incredible controversy at the time. Reading the sidewinder report and descriptions of people trying to influence politicians sounds an awful lot like what has been reported as happening lately.

(Thise damn Conservatives in power through the 90s and their ties to China. Rat bastards!!)

The United States cannot afford to have the Chinese Communist Party building up a playground for themselves on America’s doorstep. Without tackling the issue in our politics, our universities and more, that is what is happening.

Biden will have questions for Trudeau no doubt, whether the President has any success at getting answers remains to be seen.
 
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Interesting. Joe Biden quizzing Justin Trudeau on Chinese interference in Canada isn’t on the official agenda for the presidential visit but it’s bound to come up.

The U.S. President will want to know how serious the situation is and what Canada’s Prime Minister is doing to stop it.

It wouldn’t be surprising for Biden to ask Trudeau if his government has been infiltrated or compromised given the headlines of the last few weeks. Joining Biden on his trip to Ottawa are Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser, and homeland-security adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall.

It’s been widely discussed that one of the reasons Canada has been left out of recent security operations with the Americans and other allies has been Canada’s relationship with China under Trudeau. It was less than two weeks ago that Biden was joined at a naval yard in San Diego by British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to announce the acceleration of a new defence pact.

Absent from that announcement was Trudeau.

Canada wasn’t asked to join this AUKUS partnership for two reasons, our pitiful spending on the military and the growing concerns about China. The new partnership isn’t just about nuclear submarines for Australia but also about intelligence sharing.

Our allies don’t trust us like they used to.
It also wouldn’t be surprising to find out the Americans are investigating us once again in relation to China like they did back in the 1990s.

The upcoming book The Mosaic Effect: How the Chinese Communist Party Started a Hybrid War in America’s Backyard, details how the Americans launched operation Dragon Lord into China’s efforts in Canada. Authors Scott McGregor and Ina Mitchell reveal that American agencies — including the FBI, CIA and Department of Justice — were all concerned about China’s efforts at the time to infiltrate Canadian business, cultural and political circles.

That late 1990s investigation came about shortly after Project Sidewinder, a joint CSIS and RCMP study of China’s infiltration in Canada was leaked creating incredible controversy at the time. Reading the sidewinder report and descriptions of people trying to influence politicians sounds an awful lot like what has been reported as happening lately.

(Thise damn Conservatives in power through the 90s and their ties to China. Rat bastards!!)

The United States cannot afford to have the Chinese Communist Party building up a playground for themselves on America’s doorstep. Without tackling the issue in our politics, our universities and more, that is what is happening.

Biden will have questions for Trudeau no doubt, whether the President has any success at getting answers remains to be seen.
Hahahaha the last question Biden would ask Trudeau would be "are you compromised?" They would more than likely compare their Chinese portfolios
 

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The Trudeau government determined that there was no “actionable evidence” after it received a CSIS transcript of an early 2021 conversation between Liberal MP Han Dong and China’s top diplomat in Toronto, according to a senior government source – saying conclusions could not be drawn that Mr. Dong asked Beijing to keep two Canadians in prison for political reasons.

Mr. Trudeau’s press secretary Ann-Clara Vaillancourt told The Globe on March 3 that the PMO only became aware of Mr. Dong’s conversation with the Chinese consul-general after The Globe reached out for comment. Ms. Vaillancourt said Mr. Dong was not acting as a government back channel.

On Thursday, The Globe asked the PMO why Mr. Dong only quit the Liberal caucus Wednesday rather than weeks earlier after the newspaper first brought the matter to the government.

In the House of Commons Thursday, opposition MPs united to pass an NDP “Non-Binding” motion to call for a full-scale public inquiry into Chinese interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. Liberal MPs opposed the motion and Mr. Dong, now an Independent, voted for it.

In Beijing, meanwhile, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry says “China opposes interference in other countries’ internal affairs.”

“We have no interest in and will not interfere in Canada’s internal affairs,” Wang Wenbin said.
 

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Weirdly, occurred to me that there’s something missing out of this whole thing. The “Where’s Waldo?” Of Canadian Parliament has been surprisingly silent.

Where is Elizabeth May and where does the “Green Party” stand on this whole fiasco? Is she even present in parliament? Is she AWOL? Misplaced? Forgotten about? Nothing to say?
 

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Weirdly, occurred to me that there’s something missing out of this whole thing. The “Where’s Waldo?” Of Canadian Parliament has been surprisingly silent.

Where is Elizabeth May and where does the “Green Party” stand on this whole fiasco? Is she even present in parliament? Is she AWOL? Misplaced? Forgotten about? Nothing to say?
She's probably off someplace communing with Nature.
 
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Weirdly, occurred to me that there’s something missing out of this whole thing. The “Where’s Waldo?” Of Canadian Parliament has been surprisingly silent.

Where is Elizabeth May and where does the “Green Party” stand on this whole fiasco? Is she even present in parliament? Is she AWOL? Misplaced? Forgotten about? Nothing to say?
I saw her in the line off dignitaries ( carpet baggers and hanger ons ) greeting Biden , she even presented him with something that said PEACE it was a very emotional ( sic ) moment .
 

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I saw her in the line off dignitaries ( carpet baggers and hanger ons ) greeting Biden , she even presented him with something that said PEACE it was a very emotional ( sic ) moment .
That’s good. We can call off the search & call back the bloodhound’s. Phew!

Haven’t heard a quote or a peep out’a her over this whole Chinese Election Interference thing….as an ‘opposition leader’ and it just seemed…off?
 

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That’s good. We can call off the search & call back the bloodhound’s. Phew!

Haven’t heard a quote or a peep out’a her over this whole Chinese Election Interference thing….as an ‘opposition leader’ and it just seemed…off?
Tits deep in the mess.
 

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Of course a man of such integrity will accept a paid assignment to bury this story . I wonder how much and for how long ?
I don't think "The Honourable David Johnson" is going to wear this well. Before he and his little banana stuffer buddy finished with their high fives and fist bumps, the HOC has steam-rolled right over this farce and voted for a full public inquiry, leaving the two of them holding their limp bananas in their hand. Where does this leave Mr. Johnson? What relevance or use is he now?

If he really was as honourable as everyone seems to claim, he would have immediately recused himself from the role. He would have realized right away that associating with Trudeau and involving oneself with investigating Trudeau's scandal and corruption only puts you in the firing line. Trudeau has no interest in getting to the bottom of anything, he's simply looking for a decoy for everyone to fixate on while he pulls more corrupt crap in the background. Anyone who knows his character certainly knows this. Jumping into the mud with this slimy, immoral thug does nothing more than give him a stepping platform out of the muck at Johnson's expense. It's a great way to light a match to a distinguished career and tarnish an otherwise respectable character.
 

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I don't think "The Honourable David Johnson" is going to wear this well. Before he and his little banana stuffer buddy finished with their high fives and fist bumps, the HOC has steam-rolled right over this farce and voted for a full public inquiry, leaving the two of them holding their limp bananas in their hand. Where does this leave Mr. Johnson? What relevance or use is he now?

If he really was as honourable as everyone seems to claim, he would have immediately recused himself from the role. He would have realized right away that associating with Trudeau and involving oneself with investigating Trudeau's scandal and corruption only puts you in the firing line. Trudeau has no interest in getting to the bottom of anything, he's simply looking for a decoy for everyone to fixate on while he pulls more corrupt crap in the background. Anyone who knows his character certainly knows this. Jumping into the mud with this slimy, immoral thug does nothing more than give him a stepping platform out of the muck at Johnson's expense. It's a great way to light a match to a distinguished career and tarnish an otherwise respectable character.
He is still first and foremost a lieberal .
 

Ron in Regina

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"The Honourable David Johnson" is not 42 years old but is 82 years old. You might take one for the team with promises of back room deals, and lucrative positions, at 42 yrs old but at 82 years old, plus his pensions, including one for being governor general, I have no idea why he accepted this position. None whatsoever.

As far as parliament voting for a public inquiry, it’s non-binding. It expresses their will….But the liberals can do whatever the hell they want still up to, and including absolutely nothing at all.

If Trudeau has Johnson drag this out for a couple of months….Then decides to see that he (Trudeau through Johnson) has decided to have a public inquiry….But with all kinds of “extra” expanded snooping in irrelevant directions and bizarre conflicting mandates to water everything down & drag it out even further…. It buys time for other things to bury this in the media, and for people to get bored and stop being as indignant….Because humanity is nothing, if not adaptable to pretty much anything, give it enough time.
 

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Interesting. Joe Biden quizzing Justin Trudeau on Chinese interference in Canada isn’t on the official agenda for the presidential visit but it’s bound to come up.

The U.S. President will want to know how serious the situation is and what Canada’s Prime Minister is doing to stop it.

It wouldn’t be surprising for Biden to ask Trudeau if his government has been infiltrated or compromised given the headlines of the last few weeks. Joining Biden on his trip to Ottawa are Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser, and homeland-security adviser Liz Sherwood-Randall.

It’s been widely discussed that one of the reasons Canada has been left out of recent security operations with the Americans and other allies has been Canada’s relationship with China under Trudeau. It was less than two weeks ago that Biden was joined at a naval yard in San Diego by British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to announce the acceleration of a new defence pact.

Absent from that announcement was Trudeau.

Canada wasn’t asked to join this AUKUS partnership for two reasons, our pitiful spending on the military and the growing concerns about China. The new partnership isn’t just about nuclear submarines for Australia but also about intelligence sharing.

Our allies don’t trust us like they used to.
It also wouldn’t be surprising to find out the Americans are investigating us once again in relation to China like they did back in the 1990s.

The upcoming book The Mosaic Effect: How the Chinese Communist Party Started a Hybrid War in America’s Backyard, details how the Americans launched operation Dragon Lord into China’s efforts in Canada. Authors Scott McGregor and Ina Mitchell reveal that American agencies — including the FBI, CIA and Department of Justice — were all concerned about China’s efforts at the time to infiltrate Canadian business, cultural and political circles.

That late 1990s investigation came about shortly after Project Sidewinder, a joint CSIS and RCMP study of China’s infiltration in Canada was leaked creating incredible controversy at the time. Reading the sidewinder report and descriptions of people trying to influence politicians sounds an awful lot like what has been reported as happening lately.

(Thise damn Conservatives in power through the 90s and their ties to China. Rat bastards!!)

The United States cannot afford to have the Chinese Communist Party building up a playground for themselves on America’s doorstep. Without tackling the issue in our politics, our universities and more, that is what is happening.

Biden will have questions for Trudeau no doubt, whether the President has any success at getting answers remains to be seen.
And here's the sign Lol

 

Ron in Regina

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He appoints this special rapper to hide and says the conservatives don’t want answers . Unbelievable.
I don't see him being chosen unless turdOWE was positive of the outcome.
The only partisanship I see is between the the LPC and the CCP
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s appointment of former governor general David Johnston as his “eminent rapporteur” on foreign interference by China in the last two federal elections is a classic “wag the dog” political strategy.

Wag the dog, short for the tail wagging the dog, means distracting from a politically damaging issue by creating a diversion.
Han Dong, the now former Liberal MP accused of being part of an election interference network run by the Chinese consulate in Toronto, voted on Wednesday to have a public inquiry.

It’s a vote that he would have been pressured not to cast if he were still a Liberal MP.

The vote passed with 172 MPs voting in favour of having a public inquiry into election interference and 149 voting against.
1679748216580.jpegAs you might expect, the Conservatives, Bloc Quebecois, the NDP along with Green MP Elizabeth May and independent MPs Alain Rayes and Kevin Vuong all voted for an inquiry.
Trudeau appointing Johnston is the diversion.
His answer was to wag the dog. On March 6, Trudeau announced he would appoint a yet-to-be named “eminent rapporteur” to advise him on whether to hold a public inquiry. Nine days later, on March 15, he announced Johnston would be his “eminent rapporteur.”
The Liberals voted against with the exception of Nathanial Erskine-Smith who abstained.

That Dong, the only MP named publicly as part of the election interference network, voted for the inquiry is noteworthy.
Obviously Trudeau is playing for time, believing public interest in the issue will die away as other issues take over the news cycle.
Election interference is a non-partisan issue and should be treated as such. None of us should be in favour of any foreign government trying to influence the outcomes of our elections.
As Terry Glavin of the National Post rightly observed, Trudeau is ragging the puck by using Johnston’s appointment “to run interference for him in the matter of what he knew, when he knew it and why he didn’t say or do anything about Beijing’s interference operations in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.”
In acting as he has though, in trying to block a Commons committee investigation into interference allegations, by trying to shut down discussion of the issue by calling it racist, by refusing to call a public inquiry, Trudeau has made the Liberal Party look guilty. Every party and every level of government has been a target of China at some point according to everyone I’ve spoken with in national security circles, but only the Liberals don’t want a further investigation.
Next up for debate will be the mandate Trudeau gives to Johnston to advise him on foreign interference, and, after that, what advice Johnston gives to Trudeau, weeks or months from now, about whether to hold a public inquiry.
Han Dong left the Liberal caucus on Wednesday after allegations were published by Global News that he had a conversation with China’s consul general in February 2021 where he supposedly advised that Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor should not be released from their Chinese prisons. The story stated that Dong told diplomat Han Tao releasing the two Michaels at that point would only help the federal Conservatives who were taking a hard line on Beijing at the time.

(The intelligence leaks alleging MP Han Dong advised China to delay the release of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor are outrageous – but also entirely plausible. These leaks, which suggest that Dong’s motivation was to undermine the Conservatives to the benefit of Beijing, underline the need for a full and transparent public inquiry into China’s influence campaigns.)

Dong doesn’t dispute that he spoke to Tao but insists he advocated for their release.

The PMO was alerted to this conversation in early March when contacted by The Globe and Mail. They reached out to CSIS for a transcript of the conversation and decided there was no “actionable evidence” in the transcript. Perhaps there wasn’t, perhaps Dong was pushing for their release.

The question becomes, why is CSIS picking up a sitting MP on a wire tap? And once they had the conversation, why was it not shared with the PMO?

There is the chance that the PMO was made aware of the conversation and ignored it, as they have with other warnings.

All of this comes back to why we need a public inquiry, a truly independent inquiry where the person leading it is agreed to by all party leaders in the Commons and isn’t an old family friend of Trudeau.
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Inquiries are clunky, expensive and slow methods of getting to the truth and not something I normally favour. But, in this case, an inquiry may be the only way to clear the air. Han Dong, the man facing the career-ending, reputation-killing allegations obviously believes it’s the right move.
 

Ron in Regina

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Its all up to Singh. The only slam dunk in Justins future is the opposition going with a non-confidence vote.
“My goal is to safeguard democracy, encourage people to participate, make sure people feel comfortable voting, and feel safe to vote and are not being influenced in their votes,” Singh said.
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“That goal is not met by triggering an election.”
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Well, Jagmeet Singh was allowed to put forth a “Non-binding” motion for a public inquiry in Parliament after David Johnson was appointed by Justin Trudeau as the “Special Rapporteur” without jeopardizing his MP Pension. I guess that’s something…
 

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“My goal is to safeguard democracy, encourage people to participate, make sure people feel comfortable voting, and feel safe to vote and are not being influenced in their votes,” Singh said.
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Well, Jagmeet Singh was allowed to put forth a “Non-binding” motion for a public inquiry in Parliament after David Johnson was appointed by Justin Trudeau as the “Special Rapporteur” without jeopardizing his MP Pension. I guess that’s something…
Must get the gravy .