Rapporteur David Johnson, Eminent Canadian

[Ron in Regina]

And the obstruction continues

But only until sometime in 2025 unless the NDP/Liberals are re-elected….then it’ll go on for another four more years…

Last week’s column considered the diverting possibility that the Liberals could “lose” the next election but remain in power. That is, they could finish with fewer seats than their Conservative rivals (like both of the last two Federal elections that are under question regarding Chinese Interference) and yet govern with the support of the NDP, as they do now.

https://archive.ph/2023.07.14-120719/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-liberal-ndp-deal-has-changed-the-political-game-in-ways-we-still/

In the nearly 20 years since Canada’s conservative movement was unified under its current banner, its support has remained strikingly constant, mired in the low 30s most of the time save for brief intervals around the 2006, 2008 and 2011 elections.

By contrast, Liberal and NDP support, particularly after 2011, has oscillated wildly, as left-of-centre voters hopped back and forth between them (and, latterly, the Greens). That split in the progressive vote offered the Conservatives the occasional opportunity to scrape into government, despite a deficit in the popular vote versus the combined progressive parties of 20 points, on average (15 if only the Liberals and NDP are counted).

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That changed with the Liberal-NDP Non-Coalition Coalition that’s definitely not a Coalition…this time. It made explicit what was already implicit: that the progressive vote is no longer the property of the individual parties of which it is composed, but has become a single voting bloc the parties of the left hold in common. The progressive popular majority (since 2004 the Liberals and NDP have averaged a combined 50.4 per cent of the vote) has solidified into a governing majority.

…& it only took a Trucker Convoy to get them to come out’a the political closet.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Last week’s column considered the diverting possibility that the Liberals could “lose” the next election but remain in power. That is, they could finish with fewer seats than their Conservative rivals (like both of the last two Federal elections that are under question regarding Chinese Interference) and yet govern with the support of the NDP, as they do now.

I thought that was such a central feature of parliamentary democracy that it didn't need to be considered. It's just there, a major feature.

 

[petros]

But only until sometime in 2025 unless the NDP/Liberals are re-elected….then it’ll go on for another four more years…

Last week’s column considered the diverting possibility that the Liberals could “lose” the next election but remain in power. That is, they could finish with fewer seats than their Conservative rivals (like both of the last two Federal elections that are under question regarding Chinese Interference) and yet govern with the support of the NDP, as they do now.

https://archive.ph/2023.07.14-120719/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-liberal-ndp-deal-has-changed-the-political-game-in-ways-we-still/

In the nearly 20 years since Canada’s conservative movement was unified under its current banner, its support has remained strikingly constant, mired in the low 30s most of the time save for brief intervals around the 2006, 2008 and 2011 elections.

By contrast, Liberal and NDP support, particularly after 2011, has oscillated wildly, as left-of-centre voters hopped back and forth between them (and, latterly, the Greens). That split in the progressive vote offered the Conservatives the occasional opportunity to scrape into government, despite a deficit in the popular vote versus the combined progressive parties of 20 points, on average (15 if only the Liberals and NDP are counted).
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(consistently similar to the above with minor changes)

That changed with the Liberal-NDP Non-Coalition Coalition that’s definitely not a Coalition…this time. It made explicit what was already implicit: that the progressive vote is no longer the property of the individual parties of which it is composed, but has become a single voting bloc the parties of the left hold in common. The progressive popular majority (since 2004 the Liberals and NDP have averaged a combined 50.4 per cent of the vote) has solidified into a governing majority.
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…& it only took a Trucker Convoy to get them to come out’a the political closet.

The NDP LPC noncoalition coalition survival requires NDP survival.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The NDP LPC noncoalition coalition survival requires NDP survival.

Interesting take. I concur with your assessment of the situation.

With the Bloc only being about what’s in the best interests of Quebec, & the Green Party being about environmental hypocrisy and apparently antisemitism….That leaves three ‘viable’ parties outside of Quebec….& two of them are left of centre or way left of centre so to meet and agree on issues they have to be away from the centre itself…& currently I’m not sure which one is the closest to the centre…

Splitting the vote between the “3” ‘viable’ parties with two of them aligned to the left of centre….even though the two are really actually one….but trying to out ‘left of centre’ each other….ugh….

If the NDP folds or collapses upon itself like the Green Party, that would only leave (outside of Quebec) two ‘viable’ parties for Canadians to choose from. The LPC would have to stand on its own merits and platform without co-opting the votes from the other left of centre party. In its current form, at this point in time, I don’t think it’s capable of that.

 

[petros]

Interesting take. I concur with your assessment of the situation.

With the Bloc only being about what’s in the best interests of Quebec, & the Green Party being about environmental hypocrisy and apparently antisemitism….That leaves three ‘viable’ parties outside of Quebec….& two of them are left of centre or way left of centre so to meet and agree on issues they have to be away from the centre itself…& currently I’m not sure which one is the closest to the centre…

Splitting the vote between the “3” ‘viable’ parties with two of them aligned to the left of centre….even though the two are really actually one….but trying to out ‘left of centre’ each other….ugh….

If the NDP folds or collapses upon itself like the Green Party, that would only leave (outside of Quebec) two ‘viable’ parties for Canadians to choose from. The LPC would have to stand on its own merits and platform without co-opting the votes from the other left of centre party. In its current form, at this point in time, I don’t think it’s capable of that.

People with Green tendencies vote Lib and NDP thinking they are capable of getting shit done. They will revert to Green or not vote at all.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Interesting take. I concur with your assessment of the situation.

With the Bloc only being about what’s in the best interests of Quebec, & the Green Party being about environmental hypocrisy and apparently antisemitism….That leaves three ‘viable’ parties outside of Quebec….& two of them are left of centre or way left of centre so to meet and agree on issues they have to be away from the centre itself…& currently I’m not sure which one is the closest to the centre…

Splitting the vote between the “3” ‘viable’ parties with two of them aligned to the left of centre….even though the two are really actually one….but trying to out ‘left of centre’ each other….ugh….

If the NDP folds or collapses upon itself like the Green Party, that would only leave (outside of Quebec) two ‘viable’ parties for Canadians to choose from. The LPC would have to stand on its own merits and platform without co-opting the votes from the other left of centre party. In its current form, at this point in time, I don’t think it’s capable of that.

If the NDP collapses their voters would vote for the Lieberals because they have been brainwashed that the Conservatives are evil. They will stupidly believe that the Lieberals have the same values and not the values of convenience which is really what the Lieberals have. They will say or do whatever it takes to get elected.

 

[Ron in Regina]

If the NDP collapses their voters would vote for the Lieberals because they have been brainwashed that the Conservatives are evil. They will stupidly believe that the Lieberals have the same values and not the values of convenience which is really what the Lieberals have. They will say or do whatever it takes to get elected.

If the NDP collapses, their voters would have to pick one of the two other viable parties (if they live outside of Quebec, and aren’t antisemitics I guess). If the Liberals continue like they have…they can’t just vote for “the other” left of centre party if there’s only one….& would have to actually think about who they’re voting for….

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

If the NDP collapses, their voters would have to pick one of the two other viable parties (if they live outside of Quebec, and aren’t antisemitics I guess). If the Liberals continue like they have…they can’t just vote for “the other” left of centre party if there’s only one….& would have to actually think about who they’re voting for….

You give far too much credit to the average voter particularly one who leans left.

 

[Dixie Cup]

I believe that we're in the situation we are because people vote with their feelings as opposed to what each party's policies are & how said policies would affect everyone. That has got to change with more education on what responsibilities each & every voter has to ensure our democracy continues. Without that, tyranny will fill the void.

 

[pgs]

I believe that we're in the situation we are because people vote with their feelings as opposed to what each party's policies are & how said policies would affect everyone. That has got to change with more education on what responsibilities each & every voter has to ensure our democracy continues. Without that, tyranny will fill the void.

As the average Canadian what any particular parties policies are and you will be met with a blank stare .

 

[petros]

As the average Canadian what any particular parties policies are and you will be met with a blank stare .

Party hard?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc says while the federal government is "not there yet" when it comes to launching some form of public inquiry into foreign interference, "constructive and collaborative" conversations are continuing — with more scheduled in the days ahead.

Asked what holdups remain, LeBlanc wouldn't say, telling reporters that "public conjecture" would not be helpful to the "constructive private conversations" underway.

Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre accused the Liberals of "lying" for accusing the Official Opposition of impeding progress, pointing to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's powers to call a public inquiry under the Inquiries Act, at any time.

"We're waiting. We asked, we've offered the prime minister all the information he's asked for," Poilievre told reporters last week. "We've suggested a mandate, a timeframe, we have names ready to share with him as soon as he confirms that that he's going to go ahead with it."

"We're sitting next to our phone waiting for him to call with any news on when that inquiry will happen," Poilievre said.

Opposition MPs have been calling for a public inquiry into foreign interference for several months amid heightened attention on alleged attempts by China to meddle in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

'We're not there yet': LeBlanc on status of foreign interference public inquiry — CTV News

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc says while the federal government is 'not there yet' when it comes to launching some form of public inquiry into foreign interference, 'constructive and collaborative' conversations are continuing — with more scheduled in the days ahead.

apple.news

There appeared to be momentum leading towards an imminent announcement of a potential inquiry, or other “unspecified new process,” when the House of Commons adjourned for the summer on June 22.

However, in the weeks since then there has been little update on whether it will be a full public inquiry after all, who could lead this initiative, or what kind of timeline would be set for this investigation of the issue.

Trudeau has said that the federal government wouldn't be making any announcement on a new approach to examine foreign interference in Canada until the Liberals secured "full buy-in" (???) from the opposition parties, to avoid the process becoming as hotly politicized as it did under Johnston.

Link…above…etc…

 

[petros]

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc says while the federal government is "not there yet" when it comes to launching some form of public inquiry into foreign interference, "constructive and collaborative" conversations are continuing — with more scheduled in the days ahead.

Asked what holdups remain, LeBlanc wouldn't say, telling reporters that "public conjecture" would not be helpful to the "constructive private conversations" underway.

Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre accused the Liberals of "lying" for accusing the Official Opposition of impeding progress, pointing to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's powers to call a public inquiry under the Inquiries Act, at any time.

"We're waiting. We asked, we've offered the prime minister all the information he's asked for," Poilievre told reporters last week. "We've suggested a mandate, a timeframe, we have names ready to share with him as soon as he confirms that that he's going to go ahead with it."

"We're sitting next to our phone waiting for him to call with any news on when that inquiry will happen," Poilievre said.

Opposition MPs have been calling for a public inquiry into foreign interference for several months amid heightened attention on alleged attempts by China to meddle in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

'We're not there yet': LeBlanc on status of foreign interference public inquiry — CTV News

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc says while the federal government is 'not there yet' when it comes to launching some form of public inquiry into foreign interference, 'constructive and collaborative' conversations are continuing — with more scheduled in the days ahead.

apple.news

There appeared to be momentum leading towards an imminent announcement of a potential inquiry, or other “unspecified new process,” when the House of Commons adjourned for the summer on June 22.

However, in the weeks since then there has been little update on whether it will be a full public inquiry after all, who could lead this initiative, or what kind of timeline would be set for this investigation of the issue.

Trudeau has said that the federal government wouldn't be making any announcement on a new approach to examine foreign interference in Canada until the Liberals secured "full buy-in" (???) from the opposition parties, to avoid the process becoming as hotly politicized as it did under Johnston.

Link…above…etc…

Meanwhile in the political theatre......

FOREST FIRE!!!

 

[Ron in Regina]

Retired RCMP officer charged in foreign interference case — CBC News

A retired RCMP officer has been charged with foreign interference, the Mounties said in a news release Friday.

apple.news

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Nothing to do with politics but through some lackey under the bus, maybe people will forget about the big lackey.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nothing to do with politics but through some lackey under the bus, maybe people will forget about the big lackey.

A retired RCMP officer has been charged with foreign interference, the Mounties said in a news release Friday.

William Majcher, 60, "allegedly used his knowledge and his extensive network of contacts in Canada to obtain intelligence or services to benefit the People's Republic of China," the RCMP in Montreal said in the news release.

The release alleged that Majcher "contributed to the Chinese government's efforts to identify and intimidate an individual outside the scope of Canadian law."

The alleged foreign interference did not involve elections or politics, an RCMP spokesperson said.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Nothing to do with politics but through some lackey under the bus, maybe people will forget about the big lackey.

Down hereabouts I'd say they were working up the chain. Sorry your legal system sucks.

Full credit to Apple News, though. They actually said what the charges were.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Well, this whole topic has been on the back burner Politically it seems for quite some time. A quick search this morning and the most recent new story I can find on this…”Chinese Interference Canadian Elections” is from the Wall Street Journal from almost a month ago & it’s paywalled. Is that because it’s a non-issue (?) or because I used Google as a search engine for a Canadian news story???

There’s nothing recent from a Canadian news source on this Canadian issue from Canada. The top 4 hits are from news sources outside Canada. Is that a Bill C-18 thing (?) and perhaps even a goal of the current government?

 

[pgs]

Canadian media have been instructed to bury the story . And like good little lemmings they do .

 

[Ron in Regina]

New Democrat Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party faces resistance to including countries other than China in the terms of reference for a public inquiry on foreign interference.

House leaders from the main federal parties have been meeting over the summer in an attempt to set the terms and timeline for an inquiry and to appoint a potential leader.

The talks follow media reports earlier this year that alleged China “tried” to interfere in the last two federal elections, although parties agree it did not affect the outcome of the elections….& that’s it. No other details.

Some federal parties resisting foreign interference probe looking beyond China: Singh

New Democrat Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party faces resistance to including countries other than China in the terms of reference for a public inquiry on foreign interference.

www.ctvnews.ca