RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK
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I could be mistaken, but didn't you say how wonderful Russia was a few weeks ago?
I'm just going to skip all the posts being tossed back and forth about how evil the UK is.... it's a bit side-lining.
Really? This isn't anything new with the Russians. They pull this off in the North with Canada every so often.
Canadian jets repel Russian bombers
Canadian jets repel Russian bombers | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
They fly near Canada's air space to check in on their neighbor, Canada sends a CF-18 or two to meet them, the pilot says, "How's it going? Russia's back that way, eh" they all wave to each other and head back home.
But when they do it to the UK, suddenly it's time to drop the nukes..... shiesh.
If this attitude was present during these incidences in Canada, Canada would have launched their fart bombs years ago.
Yeah, that's right.... FART BOMBS..... cuz Canada isn't supposed to have nukes and that's all that's available.
Really? This isn't anything new with the Russians. They pull this off in the North with Canada every so often.
Canadian jets repel Russian bombers
Canadian jets repel Russian bombers | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
They fly near Canada's air space to check in on their neighbor, Canada sends a CF-18 or two to meet them, the pilot says, "How's it going? Russia's back that way, eh" they all wave to each other and head back home.
But when they do it to the UK, suddenly it's time to drop the nukes..... shiesh.
If this attitude was present during these incidences in Canada, Canada would have launched their fart bombs years ago.
Yeah, that's right.... FART BOMBS..... cuz Canada isn't supposed to have nukes and that's all that's available.
I support its claim to Crimea.
But that doesn't mean it can send warplanes into British airspace.
And we had to kick the Cubans out for you. Geez. Good job there!
You're not.
Wrong again tard!
Day 6... Caribbean Units arrive for Peace Keeping duties.
How are those facts working for you?
Proven fact...we supported the Brits.
Without the US... the Argies would still be in the Malvinas.
They didn't because they knew they would be beaten for a third time by the US. They supported the Confederacy, a slave holding government. But they fell short of sending troops because they would have been slaughtered.
Come to our rescue? What with? Your 15 warships and your army, which is 1.6 times smaller than Britain's Army Reserve, and your airforce, which has about as many planes as Britain's Army Air Corps? You'd be wiped out.
Britain was AGAINST the US and its allies' invasion of Grenada.
I am. Much better.
On October 25, 1983, combined forces from the United States and from the Regional Security System (RSS) based in Barbados invaded Grenada in an operation codenamed Operation Urgent Fury. The U.S. stated this was done at the behest of Prime Minister Eugenia Charles of Dominica. While the Governor-General of Grenada, Sir Paul Scoon, later stated that he had also requested the invasion, it was highly criticised by the governments of Britain, Trinidad and Tobago, and Canada. The United Nations General Assembly condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law" by a vote of 108 in favor to 9, with 27 abstentions. The United Nations Security Council considered a similar resolution, which failed to pass when vetoed by the United States.
Grenada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How? By Reagan telling Maggie on the phone to surrender the islands to the Argies?
They didn't because they knew they would be beaten for a third time by the US. They supported the Confederacy, a slave holding government. But they fell short of sending troops because they would have been slaughtered.[/QUOTE]
So the Cubans take over Grenada and the Brits do absolutely nothing.
Then the US invades Grenada and the Brits are against it do absolutely nothing.
Smart move by the Brits! An azz kicking was awaiting them!
At fiction.
Facts are facts!
We did it and the Caribbean nations arrived after it was over. Even then the Brits sat by as a rag tag bunch of Islanders patrolled their colony. lmao
By providing sidewinders, logistics and intelligence.
From your own papers!
Not so neutral after all: Ronald Reagan made secret plans to loan U.S. warship to Britain if aircraft carrier was lost during Falklands War
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tain-aircraft-carrier-lost-Falklands-War.html
And...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Falklands_War
Maggie swooooned over Reagan... known fact. She wanted a REAL MAN other than her hubby.
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The Cubans DIDN'T take over Grenada.
In 1979, a handful of leftists calling themselves the New Jewel Movement seized power in Grenada. Their charismatic leader, the British-educated Maurice Bishop, turned out to be an admirer of Fidel Castro. Some of his comrades, however, considered him insufficiently radical. In October 1983, they deposed and executed him. That gave Reagan his chance.
Britain considered itself the ultimate legal authority in Grenada because the island is part of the Commonwealth and Thatcher warned Reagan that an invasion "will be seen as intervention by a Western country in the internal affairs of a small independent nation, however unattractive its regime."
The invasion was illegal and was only perpetrated by the U.S. to give itself some self-respect after its butt-kicking in Vietnam and its humiliating hostage crisis in Iran.
The real reason for the operation was Reagan's belief that the U.S. needed a victory — any victory, anywhere.
A senior British officer who watched the Grenada invasion from nearby Barbados, Maj. Mark Adkin, wrote afterward that it was launched because of "the intense desire of the president and his advisers to raise U.S. prestige, particularly at home and in the armed forces, where morale and self-respect had fallen substantially since Vietnam."
Of course, like most US military campaigns, the invasion was bungled.
For example, the U.S. State Department falsely claimed that a mass grave had been discovered that held 100 bodies of islanders who had been killed by Communist forces.
The Americans had to use photocopies of tourist maps of Grenada, since the U.S. military had, believe it or not, no maps of its own for the country. The maps also did not show topography and were not marked with crucial positions.
U.S. Navy ships providing naval gunfire and U.S. Marine, U.S. Air Force and navy fighter/bomber support aircraft providing close air support mistakenly fired upon and killed U.S. ground forces due to differences in maps and location coordinates, data, and methods of calling for fire support. Communication was so confused that one American officer had to call his base in North Carolina from a pay phone to request air cover.
After an American bomb was mistakenly dropped on a mental hospital, dazed patients wandered aimlessly as heavily armed fighters emerged from surrounding cinnamon and allspice plantations, lending a surreal quality to the operation.
Dear oh dear. You really do keep putting your foot in it...
The U.S. Army's Rapid Deployment Force (1st, 2nd Ranger Battalions and 82nd Airborne Division Paratroopers), U.S. Marines, U.S. Army Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALs and other combined forces comprised the 7,600 troops from the United States, Jamaica, and members of the Regional Security System (RSS) defeated Grenadian resistance after a low-altitude airborne assault by the 75th Rangers on Point Salines Airport on the southern end of the island while a Marine helicopter and amphibious landing occurred on the northern end at Pearl's Airfield shortly afterward.
Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By providing sidewinders, logistics and intelligence.
Maggie swooooned over Reagan... known fact. She wanted a REAL MAN other than her hubby.
She wasn't "crooning" over Reagan the time she turned Reagan to a nervous wreck when she berated him over the phone after he demanded Britain stop the fight against Argentina.
Don'cha just love the warm and fuzzy feeling of smug satisfaction internal propaganda makes of a military dance that happens five or six times a year?
Did the Brits make a habit of letting Cuban troops ditty bop around their colonies unchallenged?
The Brits by then were well used to getting their respective butts kicked!
Invaded your colony and you didn't do a darn thing.
Five days... who long did it take the Brits to take the Malvinas?
FAIL
They were Peace Keepers which arrived after the fighting.
Much like the Brit troops in Iraq. Clean up duty in the south.
Ohhhhh SNAP!
She crooned and swooned over Reagan. Loved that man more than her wimpy husband.
And after the bungled war in the Malvina's...
"Both Weinberger and Reagan were later awarded the British honour of Knight Commander of the British Empire (KBE)."
Ohhhh SNAP!
Does America make a habit of invading countries for no reason other than to improve their prestige after being butt-spanked in a war?
The British took on thousands of Argentine troops as well as Argentine planes and warships.
The Americans took on a mere 1,500 Grenadans, 722 Cubans and 24 North Koreans.
The British also had to send their forces 8,000 miles to the South Atlantic.
Grenada, meanwile, is on Yankeeland's own doorstep.
Massive difference.
The U.S. Army's Rapid Deployment Force (1st, 2nd Ranger Battalions and 82nd Airborne Division Paratroopers), U.S. Marines, U.S. Army Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALs and other combined forces comprised the 7,600 troops from the United States, Jamaica, and members of the Regional Security System (RSS) defeated Grenadian resistance after a low-altitude airborne assault by the 75th Rangers on Point Salines Airport on the southern end of the island while a Marine helicopter and amphibious landing occurred on the northern end at Pearl's Airfield shortly afterward.
Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or the Yanks in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
She wasn't crooning over Reagan when she berated him over the phone because he wanted Britain to surrender. She gave him such a rollicking she left him a nervous, mumbling wreck.
The United States - Britain's so-called "ally" which was oh-so "helpful" during the Falklands War - even wanted to give Argentina advance warning that Britain was going to retake South Georgia in 1982 in a move that would have spelt disaster ahead of the Falklands campaign.
Ronald Reagan made repeated last-ditch attempts to persuade Margaret Thatcher to negotiate a truce so the Argentinians could save face and avoid "complete humiliation".
He feared that support for a European colonial power would undermine ties with Latin America and hamper Washington’s covert campaign against communism in the western hemisphere.
Thatcher refused, telling Mr Reagan in a late night phone call on May 31st, 1982 that she would "not contemplate" a ceasefire after the loss of "precious British lives".
She also rejected demands to hand the Falklands over to a joint US-Brazilian peacekeeping force, saying that she had not sent British forces across the globe just to "hand over the Queen's islands to a contact group".
Separately, Mrs Thatcher found herself subject to demands from the Pope John Paul II (the Catholic Church has long been an enemy of Britain). In one telegram, he calls on God to help "secure an immediate ceasefire." Thatcher, however, stood her ground, replying that Argentine aggression "cannot be allowed to succeed".
A war we won - by ourselves.
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Well the Brits clearly lost control of Grenada. We won another island back for you. I can see how ashamed you would be.
Right... the Cubans and N. Koreans were better trained than the Argie conscripts.
How many ships did the Argies manage to sink?
Peace Keeper... as noted in "Later Phase"
You're in Afghanistan too! And you got whipped their once before. Brits getting tooled is quite common though.
She crooned over Reagan.
And the Brits so appreciated Reagan and Weinberger they gave them medals for the US Support of the Brits in the skirmish. A skirmish they would have lost.
And the Brits honored the US...
Both Weinberger and Reagan were later awarded the British honour of Knight Commander of the British Empire (KBE).
You fail so!
Yeah? How?
Are you genuinely boasting that 7,300 Americans and their Caribbean allies managed to defeat 722 Cubans and 24 North Koreans?
The U.S. Army's Rapid Deployment Force (1st, 2nd Ranger Battalions and 82nd Airborne Division Paratroopers), U.S. Marines, U.S. Army Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALs and other combined forces comprised the 7,600 troops from the United States, Jamaica, and members of the Regional Security System (RSS) defeated Grenadian resistance after a low-altitude airborne assault by the 75th Rangers on Point Salines Airport on the southern end of the island while a Marine helicopter and amphibious landing occurred on the northern end at Pearl's Airfield shortly afterward.
Invasion of Grenada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And we've done a better job than you.
She wasn't crooning over Reagan the night she berated him on the phone because he wanted Britain to surrender in the Falklands War. Apparently, she turned him into a nervous wreck.
An honour Reagan didn't deserve and certainly wouldn't have got had Thatcher did what he told her to do during the Falklands War.
We weren't there fighting. In fact we fought a war with France during that time.
The Prussians defeated France.
"Give me night... or give me Blucher." - Wellington at Waterloo.
Once again the Brits were saved by another nation.
All British invasions were tossed back into the sea or driven back to Canada.
WINNING!
A ragtag army defeating the so called invincible Brits.
And some of Brits best troops were totally humiliated at New Orleans.
The Brits begged for the Americans to join the war because they Germans had bled both you AND France white. They were in total control of the Western Front.
Then the Brits and French wanted to just stuff US Units in the lines as replacement troops. Pershing stopped that nonsense EXCEPT when the Germans had a break through in French lines and Pershing sent in the Marines. Who naturally drove the Germans back teaching everyone a lesson... including the French and British how to fight. Do you think the US was going to allow the Brits to bleed us white as they did themselves and every commonwealth nation? Oh hell no.
And why the heck SHOULD the US join that war any time than when they did. The Brits were nothing but a pain in the ***. They got themselves involved in yet another war they could not win on their own and we had nothing to do with it until it did involve us. Then we went over there and won it!
Bealleau Wood was safe? Oh you are so uninformed.
You falsely established that ignoring facts.
Too late? We won the war and that Battle of New Orleans was such a lopsided victory for us that the Brits were very thankful that it was over.
The excuse that the war was over before New Orleans is just that. And oh did the Brits get trounced.
Letting Cubans and N. Koreans in.
Completely whipped them because the Brits couldn't. Landed right on your colony. LMAO
Kills you eh?
If you count killing other NATO troops... you're doing so much better!
Other than that... you're fairly useless over there.
Ahhhhh haaa. That's right. Awarded a medal PROVES you're FOS.
And she so loved Reagan... so deeply.
Rubbish. The British consider the War of 1812 to have been part of the Napoleonic Wars. You were allied with France in the Napoleonic Wars and, along with France, you lost.
Go on, then. Explain how little Prussia - which was at times during that conflict France's ally - defeated France. You seem like an expert.
What is it with you Yanks in believing historical myths to be true?
And saying that the "Prussians won" Waterloo ignores the fact that Napoleon couldn't beat the British BEFORE the Prussians arrived.
In fact, the British, as the British are very good at doing, managed to remain firm and indomitable and managed to absorb everything that Old Boney was chucking at them before the Prussians arrived.
General Antoine-Henri, Baron Jomini one of the leading military writers on the Napoleonic art of war, had a number of very cogent explanations of the reasons behind Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo.
In my opinion, four principal causes led to this disaster:
The first, and most influential, was the arrival, skilfully combined, of Blücher, and the false movement that favoured this arrival;the second, was the admirable firmness of the British infantry, joined to the sang-froid and aplomb of its chiefs; the third, was the horrible weather, that had softened the ground, and rendered the offensive movements so toilsome, and retarded till one o'clock the attack that should have been made in the morning; the fourth, was the inconceivable formation of the first corps, in masses very much too deep for the first grand attack
The first, and most influential, was the arrival, skilfully combined, of Blücher, and the false movement that favoured this arrival;the second, was the admirable firmness of the British infantry, joined to the sang-froid and aplomb of its chiefs; the third, was the horrible weather, that had softened the ground, and rendered the offensive movements so toilsome, and retarded till one o'clock the attack that should have been made in the morning; the fourth, was the inconceivable formation of the first corps, in masses very much too deep for the first grand attack
The Americans failed to annex Canada and failed to stop the British re-impressing back into the Royal Navy those British sailors who had deserted to Yank ships.
America, it is fair to say, lost the War of 1812.
Remember, the British only invaded America because America was trying to annex British territories to the north. America, as the aggressor, had it coming.
As already pointed out, the Battle of New Orleans took place AFTER the British had already won the War of 1812. It was too little too late for the Yanks.
Bull****. The Germans didn't have "total control" of the Western Front. The Western Front was a stalemate until the British introduced their new invention - the tank - to the proceedings.
The British and French knew that the US troops were so badly-trained, inexperienced and lacking in resources that they tried to get US troops to fight in British and French ranks rather than fighting separately.
Impact of US forces on the war
On the battlefields of France in spring 1918, the fresh American troops were enthusiastically welcomed by the war-weary Allied armies in the summer of 1918. They arrived at the rate of 10,000 a day, at a time that the Germans were unable to replace their losses. After the Allies turned back the powerful final German offensive (Spring Offensive), the Americans played a role in the Allied final offensive (Hundred Days Offensive). Many American commanders used the same flawed tactics which the British and French abandoned early in the war, and so not all American offensives were particularly effective.
United States in World War I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not bothered whether the US entered the war or not. The US played little part in it anyway.
That's because Germany invaded Belgium.
A typical response from an inhabitant of a country whose children are brainwashed at school into believing that America won both World Wars singlehandedly.
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At the beginning, during early 1918, the four battle-ready U.S. divisions were deployed with French and British units to gain combat experience by defending relatively quiet sectors of their lines.
American Expeditionary Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How? You failed to annex Canada. You failed to stop the British recapturing British sailors who had deserted to American ships.
If that was an American victory it would have been interesting to see an American defeat.
That Battle of New Orleans took place AFTER the Treaty of Ghent, the peace treaty which finally brought about British victory, had been signed. New Orleans was too little too late for the nefarious Yanks.
The Treaty of Ghent (8 Stat. 218 ), signed on December 24, 1814 in the Flemish city of Ghent, was the peace treaty that ended the War of 1812 between the United States of America and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Battle of New Orleans - 8th January 1815
We didn't let them in. The Grenadans did.
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It's the Americans, not the British, who have the reputation for killing other NATO troops - not to mentions wedding parties.
He wouldn't have been awarded had Thatcher listened to him and surrendered in the Falklands War.
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Oh well if the Brits consider that then stop the presses!
Blucher and the Prussians at Waterloo. Enough said. The Prussian entry saved the Brits. Heck even the Brit line was full of troops from other nations.
They were beating them.
Again with other nations bolstering their lines. I often wonder why the Brits were even there that day. They contributed little.
Albeit wrong
And the Limeys got their butts handed to them
It happened after the Limeys lost... adding more insult.
Total and complete. They even had concrete trenches as opposes to the Brits living in their own excrement.
So they thought. Then the Yanks won it all!
Yes they did. Too bad their off-spring became idiots!
We won it.
They did stop. We won. Britain wanted to Annex US Territory. It failed to do so. We won.
Oh what a defeat it was for the Limeys that day!
Brits Colony! Figures. Well we invaded it. lol
Admit it.
The Brits have the worst record in Blue on Blue in Afghanistan. Far worse than any other. Brit forces attacked Danish forces for hours before they finally stopped!
The Brits and especially Thatcher loved Reagan and they gave him a medal for supporting them in the Malvina's
The War of 1812 to the British was a mere sideshow to the much larger conflict against Boney in Europe.
Boney sent the cream of his army, some 6000 bayonets, all fresh troops, against the British forces who had been fighting, and holding out, against the Frogs all day. The Frogs were routed by Wellington's troops and mostly fled in disorder. This was before the Prussians arrived. The Prussians had no part in this decisive moment of the battle.
The British battalions also formed much stronger formations during the battle than either the French and the Prussians.
The largest battalion on the battlefield was British I/52nd Regiment of Foot, 1.130 men.
The smallest battalion was French III/108th Line Regiment, 251 men.
The battalions of British Foot Guard averaged approx. 1,000 men, the strength of French regiment.
The strongest squadrons on the battlefield were also Wellington's squadrons.
Average squadron at Waterloo:
- 145 men / Wellington's cavalry
- 135 men / Napoleon's cavalry
- 115 men / Blucher's cavalry
So was the French. In 1815 the French Army had EIGHT foreign regiments.
Not according to the Battle of Waterloo historians.
The experts say that the British spent hours indomitably holding out against Froggy before the Prussians arrived.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the British were "losing" Waterloo before the Prussians arrived.
You seem to think that denying something happened means that you've changed history and have prevented it from happening. But that's not the case. No amount of denying that America lost the War of 1812 without achieving any of its aims will change the fact that it lost the War of 1812. That'll never change.
It's a pity for the Yanks that you only "handed our butts to us" at New Orleans only AFTER you lost the war. It was too little too late for you.
Not my fault if they couldn't hack it in real trenches like the British.
And those concrete bunkers didn't win them the war. When the British introduced the tank to the conflict the Hun ran off terrified.
Yeah. A lot of Americans think that.
We stopped after we defeated the French in the Napoleonic Wars. We didn't stop as a result of American action in the War of 1812. It was our VICTORY in the Napoleonic Wars against Old Boney that finally allowed us to stop re-impressing captured British deserters.
Have you got any any evidence for this or are you just going off the romantic propaganda you are taught at school?
You invaded for no reason other than to bag a bit of glory and prestige after losing in Vietnam.
In the Tarnak Farm incident of 18 April 2002, four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others injured when U.S. Air National Guard Major Harry Schmidt, dropped a laser-guided 500 lb (230 kg) bomb from his F-16 jet fighter on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry regiment which was conducting a night firing exercise near Kandahar. Schmidt was charged with negligent manslaughter, aggravated assault, and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty of the latter charge. During testimony Schmidt blamed the incident on his use of "go pills" (authorized mild stimulants), combined with the 'fog of war'. The Canadian dead received US medals for "bravery", but no apology.
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On 5 December 2006, an American F/A-18C on a Close Air Support mission in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, mistakenly attacked a trench where British Royal Marines were dug-in during a 10-hour battle with Taliban fighters, killing one Royal Marine.
Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops.
Spitting Image, a widely-watched satirical British television show of the 1980s, famously suggested that Ronald Reagan fancied Margaret Thatcher something rotten.
‘What a fine lookin’ woman,’ the punch line to one particularly celebrated latex puppet sketch ran. ‘Pity I’m only screwing her country.’
The sketch showed just how unpopular Reagan was in Britain.
The sketch showed just how unpopular Reagan was in Britain.
And that is supposed to put Maggie in a good light? lmao. Well I guess it does look exactly like Maggie. Poor Maggie... all of Britain danced in the streets the day she died.
Beat it... Yanks Rule and Britain sucks!
The only people who danced in the street the day she died were socialists, Communists, trades union members and members of the Labour Party.
And those students, the lefty-type ones, who weren't even born when she was PM.