Racism spreading to the left?

Unforgiven

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Calling a person redneck and teabagger is every bit as offensive as calling a person a ni66er. Or a cracker.

Spare me the phony crap about 'historical significance'.

When it comes to racism, nobody does it better than the so-called spokesmen for the black community (a term racist in itself because it assumes that all black people think the same way) like Louis Farakkhan, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton These are of course, along with their white, politically correct enablers like gopher.

If gopher had just one teeny weeny honest bone in his body he would know this.

No it ain't teabagger now shut your cracker trap and go make yourself useful. lol
 

Machjo

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You've got to be kiddin Machjo. You cannot find a government more disdainful of nationalism, in terms of economic sovereignty and cultural integrity than that of Stephen Harper.. unless it was that of Jean Chretien or Brian Mulroney. These three sorcerers of the POST national ethos.. beholden to supranational institutions like the IMF, World Bank, WTO.. grovelling before the Global Investment Organism are ALL we have had for the last quarter century. Weaklings all, pygmies, quislings before the juggernaut of international trade and finance.

You're partially right. But in Canada neither side is truly internationalist. Bearing in mind that I am generalizxing here, I'll say that in general the right in Canada is pro-free trade (which I agree with), but then consider that Harper wanted to go to war in Iraq in spite of UN opposition. Consider too that in general conservatives are more anti-immigration and less inclined to recognise Canada's cosmopolitanism by respecting our First Treaties and and more decentralisation to allow for more regional autonomy.

The left isn't bad in general when it comes to respecting international law in international relations and immigration policy, but then tends to be more anti-free-trade. As for respect for our First Treaties and decentralization, there seems to be more division on that front.

To be fair Harper has made some moves towards recognizing Quebec as a nation and recognizing our First Peoples, just as the NDp has made some efforts to recognize Quebec autonomy with regards to the language issue for example.

They both have their pros and cons, but for the most part where the left is more cosmopolitan, the right is more nationalist, and vice versa.

Perhaps I ought to clarify that I have a much wider interpretation of internationalism. I do not limit it to the economic level, but also military, political, diplomatic, interpersonal, cultural, and between cultural groups even within a nation's boundaries.

For instance, I'd consider the Official Languages Act to be somewhat nationalistic in the sense that it tries to impose an asymmetrical relationship between Canadians of European descent and our First Peoples.
 

YukonJack

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Racism doesn't have to spread to the Left. It is already a very content resident there. Needless to say, rent is paid by politically correct, guilt-ridden conservatives.
 

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Right wing, not left wing, right wing. Always has been, always will be.
 

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Right wing, not left wing, right wing. Always has been, always will be.

You don't prove there's no racism on the left by proving there is on the right. That would be like a shoplifter trying to prove that he did not shoplift by proving someone else shoplifted in an unrelated incident. One does not necessarily negate the other.

And as I mentioned later, I was wrong in my thread title. I really wanted to focus on nationalism, and on that front both the right and the left are just as nationalist in Canada for the most part, just that each side's nationalism manifests itself differently.
 

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Right wing, not left wing, right wing. Always has been, always will be.

Robert Carlyle Byrd (born Cornelius Calvin Sale, Jr.; November 20, 1917 – June 28, 2010) was a United States Senator from West Virginia. A member of the Democratic Party, Byrd served as a U.S. Representative from 1953 until 1959 and as a U.S. Senator from 1959 to 2010. He filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and supported the Vietnam War, but later backed civil rights measures and criticized the Iraq War. He was briefly a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, but later left the group and denounced racial intolerance

Racism is not a left or right issue, it is an issue of intolerance and everyone has a bit of that in them regardless of politics. Some, however; allow it to take over their common sense..
 

Unforgiven

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First time I hear that Senator Robert Byrd was a right winger.....:lol:

Yeah but he quit and denounced racial intolerance. The 40s were a long time ago. Like Strom Thurmond, there were plenty of racists that were Democrats before the political switch of the two parties during the Civil Rights movement.
Then he became a Republican in 64 to oppose the civil rights act with other Goldwater Republicans.

You don't prove there's no racism on the left by proving there is on the right. That would be like a shoplifter trying to prove that he did not shoplift by proving someone else shoplifted in an unrelated incident. One does not necessarily negate the other.

And as I mentioned later, I was wrong in my thread title. I really wanted to focus on nationalism, and on that front both the right and the left are just as nationalist in Canada for the most part, just that each side's nationalism manifests itself differently.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Saying the Left is the new hot bed for racism while over looking the long history of racism and what continues today is not at all trying to examine nationalism. While that is a conversation I don't mind having, when you ramp things up from the get go with such a broad and inaccurate statement as you did, you're only going to find this sort of discussion.

Maybe that's what you really wanted in the first place?
 

Machjo

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Yeah but he quit and denounced racial intolerance. The 40s were a long time ago. Like Strom Thurmond, there were plenty of racists that were Democrats before the political switch of the two parties during the Civil Rights movement.
Then he became a Republican in 64 to oppose the civil rights act with other Goldwater Republicans.



Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Saying the Left is the new hot bed for racism while over looking the long history of racism and what continues today is not at all trying to examine nationalism. While that is a conversation I don't mind having, when you ramp things up from the get go with such a broad and inaccurate statement as you did, you're only going to find this sort of discussion.

Maybe that's what you really wanted in the first place?

I was tired when I'd started the thread. Though to a degree I did also want to point out hypocricy on the left with regards not only to racism, but to nationalism and other forms of prejudice too as they are reflected n policy. However, you're absolutely right that the right is plagued by it too.
 

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So is this thread okay for snarky comments or do we have to play it safe?
 

YukonJack

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It falls into the same category as 97% of your posts.

A 100% of which leaves you speechless, except for unsupported and idiotic crap that you spew on an unsuspecting world. And, needless to say, all your posts are worth less than one tenth of your monicker.
 

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A 100% of which leaves you speechless, except for unsupported and idiotic crap that you spew on an unsuspecting world. And, needless to say, all your posts are worth less than one tenth of your monicker.

A wise man once said that there are those who have something to say and then there are those who just have to say something.

Which category does the post, above, fall into?
 

YukonJack

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It falls into the same category as 97% of your posts.

A 100% of which leaves you speechless, except for unsupported and idiotic crap that you spew on an unsuspecting world. And, needless to say, all your posts are worth less than one tenth of your monicker.

The undisputed champion of plagiarism stole my post #63 and presented it as his own in post #77.

Is anyone EVER take this pathetic thief seriously??? You know, the the one who self-describes and over-prices himself.

mentalfloss, thanks for the negative 1. Feel free to steal and quote one of my posts as your own as your soul-mate TenPenny did.