Quit picking on Obama……
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Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist
By JONATHAN KARL
Nov. 16, 2009
Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.
There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.
And ABC News has found many more entries for projects like this in places that are incorrectly identified.
By JONATHAN KARL
Nov. 16, 2009
Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.
There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.
And ABC News has found many more entries for projects like this in places that are incorrectly identified.
Here is a example of what I am talking about.
Dem Conyers: "I'm Getting Tired Of Saving Obama's Can
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) says Obama is "bowing down" to Republicans. He said he is "getting tired of saving Obama's can in the White House."
RealClearPolitics - Video - Dem Conyers: "I'm Getting Tired Of Saving Obama's Can"
Dem Conyers: "I'm Getting Tired Of Saving Obama's Can
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) says Obama is "bowing down" to Republicans. He said he is "getting tired of saving Obama's can in the White House."
RealClearPolitics - Video - Dem Conyers: "I'm Getting Tired Of Saving Obama's Can"
Perhaps. But moderates and conservatives are fighting over what is left. Giuliani is considering running for New York Senate seat. It is very likely that he will have a third party, conservative challenge in the election (not in the primary, but in the general election). Same as Charlie Crist.
Example of what, ironsides? I have already said, if Democrats cannot govern, they will lose their majority. But if the Republican civil war continues, Democrats may retain their control of Senate and/or House even if they cannot govern.
Ok, I'll go a little back on topic.
Islamic bonds spark rush of global interest
Now the Obama administration is allowing General Electric a recipient of a stimulus package to use that money to raise funds for global Shariah law. You don't think he and his administration have a hidden agenda?
The swelling coffers of Middle East-based Islamic banks are spurring a wide variety of international companies like General Electric and countries that include the UK, South Korea and France to prepare sales of bonds that comply with Shariah law. Islamic finance is one of the fastest-growing niches of the global financial system, but has largely remained a focus of Muslim countries and companies - and international investment banks keen on capitalising on the industry’s growth. The majority of Islamic bonds, known as sukuk, have been issued in the Gulf and Malaysia, but interest is spreading, bankers say. Just how far do we have to go with this so called political correctness? If this is the goal of our ultra left wing then it is time to remove them from office,
Islamic bonds spark rush of global interest
Islamic bonds spark rush of global interest
Now the Obama administration is allowing General Electric a recipient of a stimulus package to use that money to raise funds for global Shariah law. You don't think he and his administration have a hidden agenda?
The swelling coffers of Middle East-based Islamic banks are spurring a wide variety of international companies like General Electric and countries that include the UK, South Korea and France to prepare sales of bonds that comply with Shariah law. Islamic finance is one of the fastest-growing niches of the global financial system, but has largely remained a focus of Muslim countries and companies - and international investment banks keen on capitalising on the industry’s growth. The majority of Islamic bonds, known as sukuk, have been issued in the Gulf and Malaysia, but interest is spreading, bankers say. Just how far do we have to go with this so called political correctness? If this is the goal of our ultra left wing then it is time to remove them from office,
Islamic bonds spark rush of global interest
You are doing a gross misrepresentation here, ironsides. When one mentions Sharia, people automatically think of stoning women to death, cutting off hands of a thief, sentencing women to 500 lashes and so on.
What they are talking of here is the economic, financial aspects of Sharia law; there is nothing wrong with that. Islam forbids charging interest, so Islamic banks come up with other ways to make money. The final result to the borrower or the investor is the same whether the bond is Islamic or not.
So when you talk of sale of bonds that comply with Sharia law, we are not talking of bonds that comply with stoning of adulteress (or a rape victim) to death, or cutting off hands of a thief. What we are talking of here is a bond that does not charge interest or does not give out interest.
Many conservatives just love to scare people with horror stories about Islam. There is nothing wrong with economic, financial aspect of Sharia law; it is just another way to make money. There are already banks in existence North America and Europe who do business according to Sharia.
It is important to keep things in perspective. Personally I don’t have a problem with anybody practicing Sharia based banking, or issuing Islamic bond (provided it doesn’t violate the constitution of course).
What they are talking of here is the economic, financial aspects of Sharia law; there is nothing wrong with that. Islam forbids charging interest, so Islamic banks come up with other ways to make money. The final result to the borrower or the investor is the same whether the bond is Islamic or not.
So when you talk of sale of bonds that comply with Sharia law, we are not talking of bonds that comply with stoning of adulteress (or a rape victim) to death, or cutting off hands of a thief. What we are talking of here is a bond that does not charge interest or does not give out interest.
Many conservatives just love to scare people with horror stories about Islam. There is nothing wrong with economic, financial aspect of Sharia law; it is just another way to make money. There are already banks in existence North America and Europe who do business according to Sharia.
It is important to keep things in perspective. Personally I don’t have a problem with anybody practicing Sharia based banking, or issuing Islamic bond (provided it doesn’t violate the constitution of course).
Semantics. Muslims need houses like Christians need houses. Whether it is the Dubai Islamic Bank or the Bank of Montreal, the Banks make money off the home buyer. calling it something different doesn't mean it's something different. It's still revenue for the bank.
''Giuliani is considering running for New York Senate seat.''
He's not likely to have many friends left after forcing emergency services personnel such as police, firemen, and EMS people to die in the clean up of the WTC because he did not provide safety equipment. So far, it has been said that close to 300 people have died of cancer or other work related hazard. And most of those worked for unions which still exert political power in NYC.
He's not likely to have many friends left after forcing emergency services personnel such as police, firemen, and EMS people to die in the clean up of the WTC because he did not provide safety equipment. So far, it has been said that close to 300 people have died of cancer or other work related hazard. And most of those worked for unions which still exert political power in NYC.
That may be, Gopher. But I understand he holds a double digit lead over the sitting Democratic senator (Gillian somebody). Of course, it is quite possible that he may have a third party, conservative challenger (here is a RINO if there ever was one). If that happens, al bets are off.
You may not have any problem with anyone practicing Sharia based banking, but not with my money. You are very naive my friend, you see what it is doing to Europe, yet you ignore its effects here. The way things are happening in the world Sharia law will soon become the major system of law in this world. Open your eyes, the world will never be seen out of rose colored glasses as you some would like it to be. I have said this before, they do not want to coexist with us, we either join them or become second class citizens or worse.
Do you honestly think that when you invest, donate or otherwise give money to a organization like (something you may understand) the Vatican, or any one of the Christian denominations or for that matter any religious organization that either runs or is run by a state that the money only goes to the good they may do and not their negative aspects. Yes, you give or buy anything that supports Sharia Law, you are supporting anything good as well as the ugly it represents.
Nobody is asking you to invest in a Sharia bank, ironsides. There are plenty of banks who do not practice Sharia economics and they will always be an overwhelming majority in the western world.
I think conservatives are really barking up the wrong tree with their knee jerk opposition of Sharia banks. By all means opposed Sharia when it wants to stone women to death, or cut off hands of thieves.
But I personally cannot get worked up about a bank which does not charge or pay interest. I think it is a stretch to claim that formation of such a bank will lead to implementation of Sharia law (stoning of women, cutting off hands of thieves etc.).
That only exposes conservatives to be no better than the Muslim extremists. Muslim extremists will oppose anything to do with non Muslims without thinking. It is the same with conservatives, they have a knee jerk reaction to anything practiced in Muslim countries.
But nobody is asking you to support Sharia bank, ironsides. There are plenty of banks who do not practice Sharia economics and there always will be. And it is dishonest to compare a Sharia run bank with Vatican.
Vatican is a religious organization, while Sharia bank is basically a bank which operates on certain principles (they don’t charge or give out interest). They are not religious organizations. These are not mosques.
These are more like eco friendly investing. Does a mutual fund which does eco investing donate money to extremist organizations such as PETA? May be one or two do, but I would imagine most are interested in maximizing returns for their investors. It is the same with Sharia bank.
At the end of the day, a business does not care for anybody but its investors. So I think it is highly unlikely that a Sharia bank would give money to Taliban or Al Qaeda. But if you think so, you don’t have to invest in them.
What poll was that?
The last I heard from the Republican Rasmussen poll has Gillebrand ahead of Pataki and Giuliani wasn't even listed in the poll.
I just looked it up and this is what I see:
New York Survey of 500 Likely Voters
November 17, 2009
2010 New York Senate Race
George Pataki (R)
42%
Kirsten Gillibrand (D)
45%
Some Other Candidate
7%
Not Sure
I didn’t see a poll Gopher, but I heard it on CNN. They said that Giuliani is behind Andrew Cuomo, the most likely Democratic candidate for Governor, by double digit, but that he is ahead of Gillibrand by double digit in the senate race.
But I didn’t see any poll. And seeing that Rasmussen is a Republican leaning site if there had been such a poll, I am sure Rasmussen would have trumpeted it on the front page, they would not have reported the Pataki poll at all.
But I remember seeing it on CNN.
Anything that supports Sharia law cannot be permitted to operate in either of our countries. Contraire to what you may think I do not care what laws are followed in Muslim countries (any country) as long as they do not teach or practice stoning of women, cutting off hands, heads, any real human torture and mutilation. If that is conservative, then I guess I am guilty of being a conservative and proud of it. It is not getting worked up about it, it is recognizing what is happening to our countries and not doing anything about it. Sharia would destroy almost everything you believe in.
A full implementation of Sharia probably would. However, I seriously doubt that formation of a bank which does not charge or pay interest is going to end the Western civilization as we know it.