Quit picking on Obama……

[Cannuck]

On the origins of life..

Life didn't come from a mud puddle. Life came...it seems clear to me, from an intelligent designer but I'm willing to agree, I could be wrong. I'm often wrong. I'm very often wrong but give us free speech...give us free speech. Don't fire us because we question a doctrine that doesn't even mention it. I mean, Darwin didn't mention astrology...astronomy rather. Darwin didn't mention physics. Why can't we question whether Darwinism accounts for those things too. - Ben Stein

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yes, he is a right Wing Republican, No he is not a Creationist, he is Jewish and an actor. " Coming to theaters everywhere 2008 -creationist propaganda by Ben Stein. The movie is called &quote;Expelled: no intelligence allowed&quote"
It is a movie he was promoting.


Creationism was considered a fact for hundreds of years, and like the 'Flat Earth Society" still has it's diehard believers. So what? They don't hurt anyone but themselves.

He is a Creationist, ironsides, he argues vigorously for Creationism.

And he was not ‘promoting’ the movie ‘expelled’ as you put it; he made the movie, by misrepresenting himself to scientists, biologists, doctors etc. After they saw the movie, most of the scientists involved in it complained that Stein did not tell them that he was making a Creationist movie, that he interviewed them under false pretenses. They would never have agreed to talk to him if they knew that he was making an anti-evolution, pro-Creationism movie.

Stein is a staunch Creationist. The fact that he is a Jew is irrelevant; one can be a Jew and also be a Creationist.

Creationism was considered a fact for hundreds of years, and like the 'Flat Earth Society" still has it's diehard believers. So what? They don't hurt anyone but themselves.

Sure Creationism was considered a fact once upon a time, but it is not any more, it is considered religion, superstition. And they don’t hurt anyone? Are you kidding? When the demand that Creationism (The Book of Genesis) be treated on the same level as evolution, when they demand that Creationism be taught in public schools, they are doing incalculable harm to America’s students.

If Stein and others want to say that Creationism is their religious belief, there won’t be a problem. The problem comes because they insist that Creationism is science, that it is a scientific theory, and that it must be treated on par with evolution. Ain’t never gonna happen.

 

[Francis2004]

Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism, oh dear

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism, oh dear

Ben Stein is personally a Jew, and is not a creationist. Does not believe in creationism, he can and does debate it though. As for disliking Obama, is that wrong, no, it is his right. I would expect only praise from you about Obama's policies, see just as predictable. Seems the Left Wing Nuts say one thing when it comes to rights and mean another. (my way or the highway) Where do you come up with these thoughts "Stein is a right wing ideologue, a staunch Republican. HE firmly believes that the universe was created 5000 years ago in six days." Nothing wrong with your first sentence, it is his right to believe in the Republican party, as for the second sentence, total fabrication on your part. He debated for creationism, which is his job (debating) and did it pretty well. I is the right of the creationist to believe as they do, just as it is your right to be an atheist when it comes to religion. By the way, all atheist's are not Left Wingers. "Christopher Hitchens, leading atheist spokesperson, happens to have hawkish views on foreign policy. After all, with atheists an overwhelmingly left-wing group, what were the chances that the loudest infidel in the western world would happen to be on the right?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-wright/why-the-new-atheists-are_b_230448.html


http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/90sov/with_atheists_an_overwhelmingly_leftwing_group/​

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Ben Stein used to have my respect until I saw him on TV talking about the economy and telling people it would never crash and to invest more and more.. He probably, by his opinion, lost more seniors pensions plan and mortgages then anyone else I know. A TV Evangelist gone bad IMO..

A good example is this article from CBS.. It says it all.

Despite all the bad buzz about subprime mortgages, Sunday Morning correspondent Ben Stein says the economy is strong and that the amount of foreclosures is small in relative terms.

Ben Stein Says Economy Is Fine - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

Now they say much of the mortgage problem were Democratic caused but how many Republicans made money off this and made it worse.

That is why I say both sides are as guilty as the other.. Each had time to do corrections but GREED got in the way..

 

[Cannuck]

If Stein and others want to say that Creationism is their religious belief, there won’t be a problem. The problem comes because they insist that Creationism is science, that it is a scientific theory, and that it must be treated on par with evolution. Ain’t never gonna happen.

Life didn't come from a mud puddle. Life came...it seems clear to me, from an intelligent designer but I'm willing to agree, I could be wrong. I'm often wrong. I'm very often wrong but give us free speech...give us free speech. Don't fire us because we question a doctrine that doesn't even mention it. I mean, Darwin didn't mention astrology...astronomy rather. Darwin didn't mention physics. Why can't we question whether Darwinism accounts for those things too. - Ben Stein

Ben admits he doesn't know. Can you?

 

[gopher]

''U.S. Borrowing Estimate Cut 28% By Goldman as Economy Improves''

U.S. Borrowing Estimate Cut 28% By Goldman as Economy Improves - Bloomberg.com


'' The U.S. will sell about $2.9 trillion of debt in the two years ending September 2010, or 28 percent less than initially estimated because federal assistance to the financial markets has been smaller than anticipated, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
President Barack Obama will sell a net $1.9 trillion of debt in the current fiscal year that ends Sept. 30''




All the evidence points to contiued improvement in the economy. True, there is still quite a way to go but let's all keep our fingers crossed that things will really turn around soon!

 

[gopher]

Also, reports are the housing sales in the USA have increased for three consecutive months! That's great news!!

 

[Cannuck]

Policeman calls White House meeting productive - Yahoo! News

Crowley described himself and Gates as "two gentlemen who agreed to disagree" about the confrontation that led to Gates' arrest.


Nice to see Crowley stand his ground. I see Gates is less mouthy and confrontational during this meeting. It would appear he learned his lesson. Obama probably put a muzzle on him.

 

[Francis2004]

Also, reports are the housing sales in the USA have increased for three consecutive months! That's great news!!

Many sectors show signs of upswing for months and as soon as they have a bad month the press is all over it saying it proves the economy is not ready to be back on track. They fail to report the strenght back the next month and facts it was either a glitch in the economic recovery or seasonal / industry usual slow time.

It is like they don't want a recovery ( how ever slow it maybe ) to happen so they can keep reporting bad news..

One of our manufacturers has gone 9 months in positive book to bill and has been at capacity with 75% of fabs running.. This is causing pricing to rise with our competitors not ready and able to keep up and at capacity and only 50% of fab space available with 6 months for them to to re-open those up..

Who ever said demand and capacity being low is bad :lol:..

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Ben Stein Says Economy Is Fine - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

Francis, I notice that the date of this article is 2007, when Bush was in power. So of course Stein is going to say that the economy is in great shape, he wanted to help his buddy (Bush) out.

I don’t know what he is saying about economy these days, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he is deeply pessimistic, claiming that economy is the tank for the long haul, with no end in sight. What he practices is politics, not economics.

 

[TenPenny]

Also, reports are the housing sales in the USA have increased for three consecutive months! That's great news!!

That's hilarious, because I've spoken with some contractors in the Southern US, and there are counties there where, for the first time in history, NO building permits have been issued in May or June. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Yup, things are coming along fine.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

All the evidence points to continued improvement in the economy. True, there is still quite a way to go but let's all keep our fingers crossed that things will really turn around soon!


Gopher, in Canada the Bank of Canada has declared the recession officially over. I don’t know if that is too optimistic, but we are certainly seeing many signs of recovery in Canada, which was not hit as badly as USA (since we didn’t have any sub prime crises, our banks were strong during the downturn, still making healthy profits).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That's hilarious, because I've spoken with some contractors in the Southern US, and there are counties there where, for the first time in history, NO building permits have been issued in May or June. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Yup, things are coming along fine.

Anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence, TenPenny, it only tells us the experience of one individual. Statistical evidence is the scientific evidence, it gives us the overall picture.

When we talk of economic recovery, it is recovery of the country as a whole, individual parts may still experience recession.

And anyway, I don’t see unemployment trending downwards for months yet. In any recession, unemployment is the trailing indicator. It starts rising after all the other indicators show the presence of economic downturn, it starts falling after all the other economic indicators have recovered. Stock market is the leading indicator.

And could part of the problem in the South (e.g. in South Carolina) be because they turned down the stimulus money?

 

[ironsides]

"Creationism is science, that it is a scientific theory, and that it must be treated on par with evolution. Aint never gonna happen"

On this we agree.

 

[ironsides]

That's hilarious, because I've spoken with some contractors in the Southern US, and there are counties there where, for the first time in history, NO building permits have been issued in May or June. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Yup, things are coming along fine.

Housing sales have increased, prices have even gone up 2-3%, but a complete turn around it is not. I would like to see them stop all new home construction until this massive housing inventory we have is decreased. The construction companies just want to build, workers want to work, how they will be paid is anyone's guess. The only homes down here in Florida that are holding their old price are those on the water, they still are expensive. Condos can be picked up for around 20 thousand on up, totally bottomed out.

 

[EagleSmack]

That's hilarious, because I've spoken with some contractors in the Southern US, and there are counties there where, for the first time in history, NO building permits have been issued in May or June. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Yup, things are coming along fine.

I agree. They like to keep their head in the sand.

Everything is fine....suuuuuuure.

 

[TenPenny]

Anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence, TenPenny, it only tells us the experience of one individual. Statistical evidence is the scientific evidence, it gives us the overall picture.

I certainly don't need lessons from you. Don't waste your muscles. While I realize you like to show everyone how well-educated and erudite you are, don't bring me into your little charade of self importance, thank you very much.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I certainly don't need lessons from you. Don't waste your muscles. While I realize you like to show everyone how well-educated and erudite you are, don't bring me into your little charade of self importance, thank you very much.

Is there any point to this? How does this contradict (or indeed, relate in any way) to my post, to which your post is supposedly a response?

Anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence, TenPenny, it only tells us the experience of one individual. Statistical evidence is the scientific evidence, it gives us the overall picture.

 

[TenPenny]

Is there any point to this? How does this contradict (or indeed, relate in any way) to my post, to which your post is supposedly a response?

Anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence, TenPenny, it only tells us the experience of one individual. Statistical evidence is the scientific evidence, it gives us the overall picture.

My point is that your point was a needless and completely useless diversion into the meaning of anecdotal evidence, which seems to have been posted simply to allow you to, once again, pretend to be educated and erudite.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

My point is that your point was a needless and completely useless diversion into the meaning of anecdotal evidence, which seems to have been posted simply to allow you to, once again, pretend to be educated and erudite.

That is a matter of opinion TenPenny. You were disputing the statistical conclusion (that there are encouraging signs that recovery may be around the corner) by quoting anecdotal evidence. To which I quite properly pointed out that it is not evidence.

There was no question of pretending to be educated and erudite (and I don’t have to pretend anyway).

 

[TenPenny]

That is a matter of opinion TenPenny. You were disputing the statistical conclusion

Actually, if you are as capable of reading as you claim to be, you'll see that I wasn't disputing the conclusion.

But I know that's a stretch for Personality No 634 in your brain.