Quit picking on Obama……

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
547
113
Vernon, B.C.
Some liberals here blamed Bush for wasting the financial and economical paradise Clinton left America. They conveniently forget that whatever Bush did to increase the deficit, Obama tripled it in just three months of since his coronation.

Liberals forget that Obama proposes to spend more, send the United States further in the hole than ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED.

And with the filibuster-proof Senate (with the addition of clown Franken, the noodle-spined anti-Semitism-inspiring turncoats, Lieberman and Specter) it is a shoo-in.

Never mind the 2010 and 2012 elections. By then Obama will have secured a post for President-for-life.

Everyone on this forum and their uncle, aunt and cousins knows by now you hate Obama, how many times do you need to say it? Just the same way S.J. hates Bush. You guys have a real obsession, actually it's a sickness- you probably need a shrink. Most people can dislike people without concrete evidence, but before you guys get obsessed with hatred trying walking 100 yards in their shoes.
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
34,871
116
63
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
34,871
116
63
July 21, 2009
Obama is a '10' (updated)

Gene Schwimmer
According to a new Gallup Poll Barack Obama is a "10" - not the kind of 10 girls like to look at, but the kind of numbers Obama's political opponents like to look at:

At six months in office, Obama's 55% approval rating puts him 10th among the 12 post-World War II presidents at this point in their tenures. When he took office, he ranked seventh.
Or to put it another way, Obama is the third lowest rated president at this point in his presidency.
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
34,871
116
63
Friday, July 17, 2009

Disapproved

Via Peter Wehner at Contentions, we learn:
President Obama remains in a fairly strong -- but no longer commanding -- political position. The RCP poll average of Obama's job approval rating is 56 percent.

We've been watching Obama's numbers at Rasmussen, and have been wrongfully neglecting the RCP poll average. So let's get a snapshot from RCP:
Apart from the obvious trend (converging Approval and Disapproval and shrinking Spread), one thing that struck us was the Approval number, 55.8%.
And what do you know, someone else had a 55.8% approval rating at this time in his first term.
But besides the similarities in their approval ratings at this point in their presidencies, Bush had a 31.0% Disapproval rating while Obama's Dissapproval rating is 37.8%. One can rightfully draw on this dissimilarity between Obama and Bush to make this observation:
Obama: Much more unpopular than Bush
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
34,871
116
63
JULY 21, 2009, 5:18 A.M. ETLet’s Face It: Obama Is No Post-Partisan

  • By WILLIAM MCGURN
Only last summer we were told that Barack Obama’s political appeal rested on his vision for a “post-partisan future.” The post-partisan future was one of the press corps’ favorite phrases. It served as shorthand for the candidate’s repeated references to “unity of purpose,” looking beyond a red or blue America, and so on.
Six months into the president’s term, you don’t read much about this post-partisan future anymore. It may be because on almost every big-ticket legislative item (the stimulus, climate change, and now health care), Mr. Obama has been pushing a highly ideological agenda with little (and in some cases zero) support from across the aisle. Yet far from stating the obvious—that sitting in the Oval Office is a very partisan president—the press corps is allowing Mr. Obama to evade the issue by coming up with novel redefinitions.
The redefinition started during the stimulus debate, but it really picked up steam late last month with David Axelrod’s appearance on ABC’s “This Week.” There the president’s chief strategist explained that a bill didn’t need Republican votes to be “bipartisan”; it was enough if Republican “ideas” were included. A few days earlier, Rahm Emanuel had offered reporters another redefinition, suggesting that a bill was bipartisan if people merely “saw the president trying” to get Republicans on board.
The president himself endorsed this redefinition during Rose Garden remarks delivered after a Senate committee passed a health-care bill on a strictly party-line vote. Perhaps only someone who truly embraces “the audacity of hope” could see healthy bipartisanship at work in the complete lack of GOP votes. Here’s how he put it: “It’s a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and that, by the way, includes 160 Republican amendments—a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product.”
Let’s leave aside specific complaints from Republicans, who note that the “Republican” amendments the president cited are mostly technical in nature. The larger point is that the White House’s new definitions of bipartisanship are just like the fake “jobs saved or created” numbers Mr. Obama used to justify the stimulus at a time when the economy was in fact shedding tens of thousands of jobs. And the press should call him on it.
Honest reporting would seem especially important at a time when the future of a large and vital segment of the American economy is at stake. In addition to higher costs, other Republican objections to the president’s health-care proposal include the establishment of a government-run insurance plan that will compete with private insurers—and the refusal to equalize the tax treatment between individually purchased and employer-provided health insurance. In all these areas, the president has shown no interest in compromise.
The president’s inflexibility is having an interesting effect—on Democrats. The chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus (D., Mont.), believes he would attract Republican votes if the bill helped pay for the expanded health care by subjecting employer-provided health benefits to the same taxes imposed on individual plans. He has also complained that the president is “making it difficult” to get a bill through. Surely it says something about Mr. Obama’s partisanship that this complaint issues from the one Democratic leader committed to producing a bipartisan health-care bill.
Mr. Baucus is not the only one. Other Democratic pols, especially those from the more conservative states, do not relish the prospect of being on the hook for a health-care package that even the Congressional Budget Office says will raise health costs rather than lower them. Nor do they appreciate the ads the president is now running in their states via the Democratic National Committee. These ads target moderate Democrats in an effort to pressure them into passing the president’s health-care proposal quickly.
Back when George W. Bush was in the Oval Office, the press routinely characterized almost everything he and the GOP Congress did as partisan. While it’s true that some parts of his agenda were passed on a purely partisan basis—most notably, the 2003 tax cuts pushed through the Senate with the deciding vote cast by Vice President Dick Cheney—this was the exception rather than the rule. In fact, many of the most far-reaching bills pushed by President Bush—the Patriot Act, the war-funding bills, No Child Left Behind, the Medicare drug benefit, etc.—were in the end passed with a healthy number of Democratic votes.
In itself, of course, there’s nothing inherently wrong with opting to forgo bipartisanship support for the sake of getting your ideas through. That, however, is not what Candidate Obama promised. And just think how the debate would change if the press were to begin describing Mr. Obama in a way that seems reserved for Republicans: a highly partisan president pursuing a narrow partisan agenda.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:31 AM



A USA Today/Gallup Poll out Tuesday morning delivers some bad news for Barack Obama.

Here are the key finding of the national poll:



By 49%-47%, those surveyed disapprove of how he is handling the economy, a turnaround from his 55%-42% approval in May. The steepest drop came from conservative and moderate Democrats.

By 50%-44%, they disapprove of how he is handling healthcare policy.

A 59% majority say his proposals call for too much government spending, and 52% say they call for too much expansion of government power.

Expectations of the economy's turnaround are souring a bit. In February, the average prediction for a recovery was 4.1 years; now it's 5.5 years.

The USA Today/Gallup Poll is sure undermine the President's position as he pushes for his ambitious universal healthcare plan.

"His ratings have certainly come back down to Earth in a very short time period," Republican pollster Whit Ayres told USA Today.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
"His ratings have certainly come back down to Earth in a very short time period," Republican pollster Whit Ayres told USA Today.

Well ironsides, he would wouldn’t he? So far all we have seen here are anti-Obama rants form Obama haters, such as Rasmussen, William McGurn (I assume a right wing extremist). These right wing nuts don’t like Obama, a big surprise there.

Incidentally, this is the same Rasmussen who worked for the extreme right website, worldnetdaily, and who claimed the race was neck and neck just 3 or 4 days before the election (which Obama own convincingly). Rasmussen has zero credibility as far as I am concerned.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
Ironsides, what Obama is doing is called using up his political capital. He was very popular, he is using that popularity to get things done. As he does things of course his popularity will go down, that is to be expected. But he better get things accomplished, even if that means a drop in popularity rating.

When he came to power he had not done anything, and different people had different expectations about him. Now that he is doing things, some people don’t like what he is doing and disapprove of him, nothing new there.

The important thing is what people think of him when he has implemented his agenda. Two years into his presidency, Clinton had approval rating of 40% (much higher than that of Bush, 28%, but still nothing to brag about). He easily won reelection.

As to those who are claiming that Obama is more unpopular than Bush they wish. No doubt they wish that USA goes down the tubes, with unemployment of 25 %, inflation of 20 % and Obama’s approval rating in low 20s. That will give them a chance to rehabilitate Bush , claim what a great president Bush really was, since he left office with higher approval rating than Obama.

Pathetic, really.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
547
113
Vernon, B.C.
Ironsides, what Obama is doing is called using up his political capital. He was very popular, he is using that popularity to get things done. As he does things of course his popularity will go down, that is to be expected. But he better get things accomplished, even if that means a drop in popularity rating.

When he came to power he had not done anything, and different people had different expectations about him. Now that he is doing things, some people don’t like what he is doing and disapprove of him, nothing new there.

The important thing is what people think of him when he has implemented his agenda. Two years into his presidency, Clinton had approval rating of 40% (much higher than that of Bush, 28%, but still nothing to brag about). He easily won reelection.

As to those who are claiming that Obama is more unpopular than Bush they wish. No doubt they wish that USA goes down the tubes, with unemployment of 25 %, inflation of 20 % and Obama’s approval rating in low 20s. That will give them a chance to rehabilitate Bush , claim what a great president Bush really was, since he left office with higher approval rating than Obama.

Pathetic, really.

Keep in mind that some of the hatred of Bush (probably a small percentage, possibly not so small) was because it was the vogue thing to do. Some people don't have a lot of backbone when it comes down to bucking the majority.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
Ironsides, what Obama is doing is called using up his political capital. He was very popular, he is using that popularity to get things done. As he does things of course his popularity will go down, that is to be expected. But he better get things accomplished, even if that means a drop in popularity rating.

When he came to power he had not done anything, and different people had different expectations about him. Now that he is doing things, some people don’t like what he is doing and disapprove of him, nothing new there.

The important thing is what people think of him when he has implemented his agenda. Two years into his presidency, Clinton had approval rating of 40% (much higher than that of Bush, 28%, but still nothing to brag about). He easily won reelection.

As to those who are claiming that Obama is more unpopular than Bush they wish. No doubt they wish that USA goes down the tubes, with unemployment of 25 %, inflation of 20 % and Obama’s approval rating in low 20s. That will give them a chance to rehabilitate Bush , claim what a great president Bush really was, since he left office with higher approval rating than Obama.

Pathetic, really.


I did not mention the Rasmussen Poll, just added the Gallop poll which backs it up.
Whit Ayres didn't have anything to do with the Gallop Poll, he just commented on it. You keep bringing up hate, I'm sure no Republican actually hates Obama, they just do not like his socialist views. The word hate is actually used more by the liberal's than even Democrats or Republicans. Even his Democratic support is starting to wane because of his bully approach to running the country. In his own way, he is no different than Bush, just knows how to spend and tax better.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
Here is something from possibly the next Republican candidate for President, at least he has some expertise in healthcare reform.


Jindal Attacks Obama's Healthcare, Stimulus


Monday, July 20, 2009 9:40 PM

Article Font Size

BATON ROUGE, La. -- Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal sharply criticized Democrats' health care plans Monday, thrusting himself back into the national spotlight for the first time since his awkward rebuttal of President Barack Obama's policies in February.

In an editorial posted on the Web site Politico, Jindal, a former state and federal health official, complained about federal government spending and opposed the House Democrats' proposed health care overhaul. He says the Democrats' plan is likely to drive up unemployment and federal debt and will force most Americans into a government-run health program.

"Our federal government is currently just flinging stuff against the wall, in trillion-dollar chunks, to see what sticks," Jindal wrote, criticizing business bailouts and the federal stimulus package — and omitting his use of $1 billion in stimulus money in Louisiana's budget.

Jindal also scheduled two days of appearances on national TV news shows to talk about health care, said his spokeswoman Melissa Sellers.

The 38-year-old Jindal, considered a possible future GOP presidential contender, had been largely missing from national appearances and commentary the past few months after he was panned for his nationally televised rebuttal to Obama's address to Congress. Speculation on his future cooled after his speech was criticized by detractors as awkward and deficient.

Sellers, however, tied the governor's quieter national profile to the Louisiana Legislature's regular session, which ran from April through June. She said Jindal had repeated interview requests from national TV shows, but waited until the session was over before accepting.

By picking health care, Jindal has focused on a policy area in which he is closely familiar. He once worked as Louisiana's health secretary and later as an assistant secretary in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services under former President George W. Bush.

Obama has made a health care overhaul a centerpiece of his legislative agenda, saying the current system is too costly and leaves too many people uninsured.




© 2009 Associated Press.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
I did not mention the Rasmussen Poll, just added the Gallop poll which backs it up.

You did not, ironsides, and I was commenting upon Gallop poll (when I discussed drop in Obama’s popularity). I don’t think Rasmussen poll is worth the paper it is written on.

You keep bringing up hate, I'm sure no Republican actually hates Obama, they just do not like his socialist views

Some of them do hate Obama, others don’t like his views. There is a big campaign on the part of the extreme right to try to convince Americans that Obama is not American born, that he is an illegal alien a Muslim terrorist. What is that if not hate?

As Obama starts implementing his agenda, it is reasonable that his support will drop, those who disagree with what he is doing will disapprove of him. However, I think he should go ahead and implement his agenda. If Obama is going to lose the next election, it is much better that he loses because he tried and failed, rather than lose because he did nothing.

And talking specifically of health care, If Republicans do get in, nothing will be done about health care, they like the present system just fine.

Same applies to Democrats. If they do nothing, do not pass anything, they will go the way Republicans did. Republicans did nothing while they were in power and they paid the price at elections. If Democrats do nothing, the same fate awaits them.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
What exactly are you looking for in a healthcare system? The majority of Americans are happy with the healthcare system we now have. The only real problem with it is its growing cost, not the quality of it. The President is addressing more a massive change in what healthcare we get rather than the quality and cost.
I made a comment earlier that we now have a Democratic run goverment that was more interested in minority rights than those who have not paid into Social Security and yet recieve more benifits than someone who has paid into it till they retired. A illegal alien will be able if not get already, $1,000 per month from Social Security, and be eligible for Medicaid. That is just for coming into the country.


Obama Admits He's Foggy on Healthcare Bill

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:29 PM

By: David A. Patten

Members of Congress haven't read the 1,018-page proposed healthcare-reform legislation, but then, apparently neither has President Obama.
The president recently confessed he is "not familiar" with key provisions of the legislation.
According to a Heritage Foundation post, Obama's embarrassing admission came during a conference call with left-leaning bloggers.
Obama urged the bloggers to continue pressuring Congress to pass health-care reform immediately. During that call, Heritage reports, a blogger referenced an article in Investor's Business Daily indicating Section 102 of the House bill would "outlaw" private insurance.
"Is this true?" the blogger asked Obama. "Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?"
The president's response on behalf of the legislation he is pushing through Congress: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."
That response prompted the think tank to state: "This is a truly disturbing admission by the president, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: 'If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.'"
The rhetorical question posed by Heritage: "How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress?"
No version of the legislation now under consideration "outlaws" private insurance coverage. However, it increases its cost relative to publicly subsidized plans in a way that leads some experts to believe private insurance would no longer be a viable option.
A Heritage-Lewin Group report released Monday found that close to 100 million policy holders may be forced to change insurance plans if Congress passes the bill supported by Obama.
Heritage-Lewin Group - A conservative think tank promoting public policy research and analysis based on free enterprise, limited government
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
What exactly are you looking for in a healthcare system? The majority of Americans are happy with the healthcare system we now have.

I am not looking for anything, ironsides, it is your health care system, not mine. And do you have any polls to support your contention that majority of Americans are happy with their health care? Because the last poll I saw (offhand I cannot recall where) was a couple of years ago, before Obama was running for President. That poll said that a majority of Americans are unhappy with their health care system. The same poll also showed that a majority of Canadians are happy with their health care system.

And I am not sure I would believe anything from Heritage group, their agenda is to scuttle the health care reform, they are not exactly a disinterested, unbiased party.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
547
113
Vernon, B.C.
What exactly are you looking for in a healthcare system? The majority of Americans are happy with the healthcare system we now have.

I am not looking for anything, ironsides, it is your health care system, not mine. And do you have any polls to support your contention that majority of Americans are happy with their health care? Because the last poll I saw (offhand I cannot recall where) was a couple of years ago, before Obama was running for President. That poll said that a majority of Americans are unhappy with their health care system. The same poll also showed that a majority of Canadians are happy with their health care system.

And I am not sure I would believe anything from Heritage group, their agenda is to scuttle the health care reform, they are not exactly a disinterested, unbiased party.


S.J. I always understood the American Health Care system is good, what's not so good is the number oi people who don't have medical insurance. To be quite honest I'm not sure that universal coverage for all people for all ailments is even possible. I know in British Columbia health care takes up 41% of our provincial budget. I think the solution lies in looking after our own health more. My own doctor recently told me that if every able bodied Canadian did an hour a day of vigorous walking our health costs over time would be reduced to half. I think that is more the way we should be dealing with the problem. To keep throwing money at a problem we aren't willing to fix is just blood ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet 20% of our population has eating disorders, add to that cigarettes, booze and lack of exercise and we have a real problem.
 

Cannuck

Time Out
Feb 2, 2006
30,245
99
48
Alberta
Some liberals here blamed Bush for wasting the financial and economical paradise Clinton left America. They conveniently forget that whatever Bush did to increase the deficit, Obama tripled it in just three months of since his coronation.

Liberals forget that Obama proposes to spend more, send the United States further in the hole than ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED.

Personally, I think Obama is great. My sister is in the process of buying a house in AZ to use as a winter vacation home @25% of what it sold for 2 years ago (she is only 40). I'm hoping to head down to CA to pick up a Ferrari that is going dirt cheap (I'll post pics if I do). Obama has been great for Canadians.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
S.J. I always understood the American Health Care system is good, what's not so good is the number oi people who don't have medical insurance.

It is not only those who don’t have insurance, JLM. Many middle class families are one disaster away from bankruptcy, many of them have inadequate health coverage. One does see on TV from time to time the stories of middle class families going bankrupt because of unforeseen health care costs.

US system is costly (the most expensive in the world), the access to it depends upon one’s income and the results it delivers are poor. I think US is dead last among developed countries when it comes to life expectancy (lowest), infant mortality (highest) etc.
 

gopher

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 26, 2005
21,513
65
48
Minnesota: Gopher State
Republicans have been stepping up their attacks on Obama but that is because they wish to draw attention away for their incompetence and their troubles:

Five Republican judges switch to Democratic Party, including four from Jefferson County

Five Republican judges switch to Democratic Party, including four from Jefferson County - Breaking News from The Birmingham News - al.com

Yes, more Republicans are leaving their party every day!



Report: Ex-Fox News producer gets ten years for child porn

Raw Story » Report: Ex-Fox News producer gets ten years for child porn


Yes, still another Republican caught with his pants down.



I cannot speak for Canadians but it is clear that most Yanks are no longer fooled by Republican tactics -- as I wrote above, the attacks on Obama are nothing more than a mask used by the right wing with intentions of hiding their own hassles.

 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
What exactly are you looking for in a healthcare system? The majority of Americans are happy with the healthcare system we now have.

I am not looking for anything, ironsides, it is your health care system, not mine. And do you have any polls to support your contention that majority of Americans are happy with their health care? Because the last poll I saw (offhand I cannot recall where) was a couple of years ago, before Obama was running for President. That poll said that a majority of Americans are unhappy with their health care system. The same poll also showed that a majority of Canadians are happy with their health care system.

And I am not sure I would believe anything from Heritage group, their agenda is to scuttle the health care reform, they are not exactly a disinterested, unbiased party.


Aside from the high cost to the tax payers when someone with no insurance need's medical attention, they are not turned away. Large Public Hospitals have two emergency rooms, one is for people who have major life threatening injuries or are critically ill. The other clinic is for what they call walk-ins, these people have minor ailments, colds, flu belly aches, follow up visits for pregnant women etc. who do or do not have insurance. The only problem here is again the high cost of medical care everyone not covered by insurance is getting. Even those supposedly uninsured 44 million people who by the way include 12 million people and their children in this country illegally get medical care, all at tax payer expense. If you happen to be taken or walk-in to a private hospital, you will be immediately taken care of for anything life threatening, stabilized then transferred to a public hospital. By the way, out public hospitals are not like people envision public hospitals, most are clean and modern.

Here are a couple of polls and discussions.

Majority of Americans Satisfied With Their Healthcare Plans

Majority of Americans Satisfied With Their Healthcare Plans

This is a chat room, people discussing healthcare.

Re: Americans Happy With Healthcare - News & Current Events - Comcast.net Community



I really do not think our healthcare system is really that bad, especially to the point that we have to support it with trillions of dollars more in order to get less care than we are now getting. We now have access to some of the best doctors in the world, that alone may change under Obama's plan. Do I want to take that chance, answer No.