Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

[cub1c]

RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

I think you forgot to quote this part of the text (that I must remember you, is in no way officialy affiliated with any association or political movement in here).

Quebec sovereignty would, in fact, be in everybody's interest:

* in Quebec's best interest, because Quebecers would finally be masters in their own house, free of the "minority" mentality and the need to fight for every scrap of cultural power they need, while enjoying all the benefits of free trade with the richest nation in the history of the world;
* in the United States' best interest, because it stands to pick up some or all of the remaining pieces of Canada and thus become significantly bigger, richer, more powerful and even more prestigious; and even
* in English Canadians' best interest, because they would finally be free to focus all their attention on their own problems and pursue their own fulfillment in their own language, without feeling the slightest shame in not knowing French. English-Canadians would be free from endless bickering with Quebec, and they could either maintain a unilingual English nation within NAFTA or, if they so desire, follow their heart into the Union.

 

[cub1c]

RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

Please, don't take all separation text or documents that are not from official sources for cash.

Some separatists are pretty mad of not having their country. I'm not close at all to them, so imagine.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

Some separatists are pretty mad of not having their country. I'm not close at all to them, so imagine.

Some Canadians watch with dismay while Quebec negotiates a better deal with Ottawa, on the premise that if they do not get what they want, they will leave our fair country...

Some Canadians will march on Montreal, and Quebec City, livid with the notion that their country is being outright robbed of its natural resources, and effectively cut off from the Eastern Provinces...

Some Canadians won't care, and will bid their francophone brethren good riddance...

 

[cub1c]

Fanni, don't you get it yet??

People in all cities around Québec (there is plenty more cities than the only one you know, Montréal and Québec), will be looking for their freedom, not cash.

Put this in your stubborn head.

 

[missile]

Perhaps,this thread should be retitled "Canada Should Separate From Quebec". I'd vote for that.

 

[shamus11]

This is what I see in Canada's future and I hope we will have the opportunity to decide in about ten years time whether I was right or not.

The federal adscam and equalization ransom payments will not work. Quebec will eventually have referendum number three and get over 60%.

Chretien's Clarity Act will mean nothing because it will be a clear question.

Then they will have another referendum to see whether they should have a connection with Ottawa -- something like an EU connection. Because the EU has shown that small independent countries suffer while large Unions can jump ahead despite the various languages.

At that point in time, it depends how NAFTA has panned out, they will decide how to rearrange their system of government and who to connect with -- Ottawa or Washington.

The rest of Canada will still not have referendums and will not be allowed to change a thing though the country will have completely changed around them. Because we are so docile.

We are in some ways lucky because though the Liberals may be corrupt, it appears they are also stupid. We deserve them.

 

[no1important]

RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

I say send in the troops to Quebec and declare martial law.Round all the seperatists up and throw them in jail. I for one, am sick of listening to these poor snots from Quebec whining and bitching all the time. They have no appreciation for how good they have it.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

That's already been done No1...I wouldn't want our civil liberties revoked on account of some malcontents...

 

[no1important]

RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

Well it should be done again.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

I say send in the troops to Quebec and declare martial law.Round all the seperatists up and throw them in jail. I for one, am sick of listening to these poor snots from Quebec whining and bitching all the time. They have no appreciation for how good they have it.

Ya, then we can have a war.


Lets not forget how many ppl from Quebec are in the military and how much equipment they have....And how their not willing to put up with your BS...

 

[cub1c]

Exactly.

As for lining up separatists...good luck!! there's milions of thems!

 

[UofSaskatchewan]

Exactly.

As for lining up separatists...good luck!! there's milions of thems!

Right, might want to recheck your numbers there. So everybody in Quebec is a seperatist? 7 Million people? Well then send in the troops.

 

[cub1c]

7M people in Québec.
1995 referendum, participation rate: 93.5%.
YES camp got 49.4%

So if you still got a brain, I know you've lost your mind with that troop thing, do the math.

 

[shamus11]

Must We Be Kept in the Dark?

By

James Bredin

Wrapped it in the flag even though it was all in vain,
Way to pay for a Liberal election campaign,
And then you say, you saved the country several times,
Who will be left holding the bag for these adscam crimes?

The Liberal list of scandals goes on and on and on,
From Somalia to Shawinigan – and all withdrawn,
From HRDC to Krever to the gun registry mess,
And at the sponsorship scandal they seldom confess.

And adscam will trigger not just an election,
It will put Quebec referendum three into selection,
And once again we’ll be observers looking on,
Denied referendums in what could be our swan song.

What Quebec referendum number two, didn’t do,
The Gomery Inquiry will do it all in lieu,
What adscam ransom and equalization couldn’t buy,
The domino effect on their house of cards might make them cry.

It doesn’t take a prophet to foresee oncoming events,
Stuck in unilingual status quo awaiting supplements,
Will we ever be allowed to vote for our prime minister?
Must we be kept in the dark on these proceedings sinister?

Wednesday, April 06, 2005

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

I say send in the troops to Quebec and declare martial law.Round all the seperatists up and throw them in jail. I for one, am sick of listening to these poor snots from Quebec whining and bitching all the time. They have no appreciation for how good they have it.

So why did the British take the plains of Abraham then, if they didn't want a separatist problem today? Seems this problem is your creation. :wink:

 

[Machjo]

Yeah I know, some people think it's not true at all. But I have to remind them one thing, when Canada was founded, it was 100% French.

Actually no...it was a combination of French and Cree, Ojibwa, Sioux, Algonquin, and many others languages spoken by the First Nations people...so I fail to see what point you have to make here...

Good point. If any language needs protection right now, it's the native languages. After all, even if French and English all but disappeared from the North American continent, they would still be present in Europe, their place of birth. Besides, both French and English are effectively foreign imported products comming from Europe. And considering that they both followed behind imperialist expansion, which lead to the attempted cultural genocide of the natives, the proponents of neither English nor French really have any ground to stand on in the Americas in their defence of their languages. But on the contrary, both sides have a moral duty to defend the native languages which we tried so hard to extinguish!

 

[Foo1]

I have to agree. I mean, the way that natives are treated and their culture represed does not impress me.

 

[cub1c]

RE: Quebec shouldn't sepa

True. But we made a lot of progress recently with the First Nation. But they are now stuck with poverty, criminality.

But maybe we should give them more money to promote their culture, like Canada should do with Québec.
Just an opinion.

I think they deserve a strong, and serious, political party in Québec.

 

[Machjo]

We owe the natives big time!

True. But we made a lot of progress recently with the First Nation. But they are now stuck with poverty, criminality.

But maybe we should give them more money to promote their culture, like Canada should do with Québec.
Just an opinion.

I think they deserve a strong, and serious, political party in Québec.

I agree we need to help them, but not by presenting ourselves as their saviours. After all, for us to come in and save their languages when the very reason they needed our help in the first place was due to all the abuse, physical, sexual or otherwise which has contributed greatly to the psychological turmoil, drugs, prostitution and crime, and then present ourselves as their saviours for it, would be paramount to a rapist offering out of the kindness of his heart to pay for the victim's psychiatric expenses!

If we should offer to help the natives, it should not be presented as comming only from our love for them, but as a duty on our part to right a wrong. Even if we sacrificed our all to save their languages and cultures, rebuilt their communities and reestablished their pride in their cultures, they still ought not ow us so much as a thanks. At most, we'd deserve recognition of the fact that we did infact owed them and finally paid them back, at least partially, to the best of our abilities.

So, besides the obvious (i.e., offering help to rebuild the native communities we destroyed through generations of abuse), what else can be done to help put the native peoples on an equal playing field with us? I don't believe democracy would cut it here, sinse the natives are a distinct people in their own right. Rather, it must be approached as a negotiation between equal peoples, regardless of their numbers compared to ours, just as every nation has its vote in the UN, and that after we shall have given them their due land back!

I'd also like to know which side, between the federalists and the sovereignists, could best protect the native languages. From what I can see right now, they're both equal (i.e., either side the natives take, it's main concern is promoting its own European-rooted cultural hegemon). So I think a better wuestion might be which side, between the federalists and the soveraignists, is most likely to snap out of its hegemonic mindset first, and start looking at the cultures which trly need our help. Your ideas on this one?

 

[Machjo]

We owe the natives big time!

True. But we made a lot of progress recently with the First Nation. But they are now stuck with poverty, criminality.

But maybe we should give them more money to promote their culture, like Canada should do with Québec.
Just an opinion.

I think they deserve a strong, and serious, political party in Québec.

I agree we need to help them, but not by presenting ourselves as their saviours. After all, for us to come in and save their languages when the very reason they needed our help in the first place was due to all the abuse, physical, sexual or otherwise which has contributed greatly to the psychological turmoil, drugs, prostitution and crime, and then present ourselves as their saviours for it, would be paramount to a rapist offering out of the kindness of his heart to pay for the victim's psychiatric expenses!

If we should offer to help the natives, it should not be presented as comming only from our love for them, but as a duty on our part to right a wrong. Even if we sacrificed our all to save their languages and cultures, rebuilt their communities and reestablished their pride in their cultures, they still ought not ow us so much as a thanks. At most, we'd deserve recognition of the fact that we did infact owed them and finally paid them back, at least partially, to the best of our abilities.

So, besides the obvious (i.e., offering help to rebuild the native communities we destroyed through generations of abuse), what else can be done to help put the native peoples on an equal playing field with us? I don't believe democracy would cut it here, sinse the natives are a distinct people in their own right. Rather, it must be approached as a negotiation between equal peoples, regardless of their numbers compared to ours, just as every nation has its vote in the UN, and that after we shall have given them their due land back!

I'd also like to know which side, between the federalists and the sovereignists, could best protect the native languages. From what I can see right now, they're both equal (i.e., either side the natives take, it's main concern is promoting its own European-rooted cultural hegemon). So I think a better wuestion might be which side, between the federalists and the soveraignists, is most likely to snap out of its hegemonic mindset first, and start looking at the cultures which trly need our help. Your ideas on this one?