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…and…Thirteen families with children fighting cancer had their chemotherapy appointments either delayed or rescheduled as a direct result of the so-called “Freedom Convoy” protests in Ottawa, the Children’s Hospital of Eastern Ontario (CHEO) has confirmed to Global News.

The children’s hospital said they “thankfully” did not have to cancel any surgeries during the demonstrations, but families were also forced to take extra measures “including staying at a hotel to ensure they could be here on time,” they said.
 

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…and…Thirteen families with children fighting cancer had their chemotherapy appointments either delayed or rescheduled as a direct result of the so-called “Freedom Convoy” protests in Ottawa, the Children’s Hospital of Eastern Ontario (CHEO) has confirmed to Global News.

The children’s hospital said they “thankfully” did not have to cancel any surgeries during the demonstrations, but families were also forced to take extra measures “including staying at a hotel to ensure they could be here on time,” they said.
The Spirit of the Blitz! (21st-century edition).
 

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Well, it’s a whack-a-doodle Friday of continuing testimony at the Emergencies Act Inquiry:
OTTAWA -- Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino stands by his assertion that the "Freedom Convoy" had extremist elements.

A member of the Ontario Provincial Police appeared to question the claim in a document tabled at the Public Order Emergency Commission, the inquiry examining the circumstances surrounding the use of the Emergencies Act.

"I do not know where the political figures are acquiring info or intel on the extent of extremist involvement," OPP Supt. Pat Morris wrote in an email.
What someone should perhaps point out to Singh is that, despite the British parliament’s current tumult, turbulence and upheaval, its MPs are demanding something few Canadian MPs seem to insist on, least of all Singh himself: accountability and competence from those in charge.
Did the Freedom Convoy have a charter right to park hundreds of semi-trucks in the middle of Ottawa streets last winter? If police stopped the trucks from entering the city, would that have been a violation of their rights? Testimony at the Public Order Emergency Commission this week revealed that police were concerned about infringing on the rights of protesters, so they continued to allow them into the city.
 

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Why are they examining the police response , and what are they questioning .? It seems to me the police met the protesters and allowed them to proceed in an orderly manner . They appeared to have a working relationship with the organizers and ensured law abiding behaviour . The most peaceful demonstration ever was ended with government sponsored police brutality and unnecessary overkill . The only police response was on violence by the armour wearing police on peaceful Canadian patriots .
 

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Why are they examining the police response , and what are they questioning .? It seems to me the police met the protesters and allowed them to proceed in an orderly manner . They appeared to have a working relationship with the organizers and ensured law abiding behaviour . The most peaceful demonstration ever was ended with government sponsored police brutality and unnecessary overkill . The only police response was on violence by the armour wearing police on peaceful Canadian patriots .
The gov't argument has been the police were unable to respond because they didn't have the tools to do so. That's why they're grilling the cops. But it's becoming obvious that the cops had the tools they needed and there were other reasons why they hadn't cleared the protest.
 
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The leader of the Conservative Party believes there was no need for the federal government to invoke the Emergencies Act if Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would have just sat down and listened to what some of the truckers had to say.

"He didn't have to agree with them," said Pierre Polievre on Wake Up With Rob Snow on Oct. 21. 'Would it have been so hard for him to sit down with them for 15 minutes and hear them out? I think the whole thing would have come to an early end if he had done just that."

If you were looking to the Emergencies Act inquiry for justification that invoking the Act was needed, you’d be sorely disappointed. What we’ve mostly been treated to is an ongoing parade of examples of how unprepared and incompetent Ottawa was to deal with the convoy.

Act first, ask questions later. That’s what the Emergencies Act allows the government to do.

No parliamentary debate, no sober second thought in the Senate, no transparent democratic process. Just action. New legal orders start to govern us on the sole authority of the prime minister and cabinet.
In times of true national crisis, this may be necessary. But the concentration of power in a few hands is dangerous. It is just as necessary that the use of this power be severely constrained and closely scrutinized.

The Emergencies Act is an exceptionally powerful law. And it’s for that reason that it sets a high legal threshold before an emergency can be declared. The law also includes several important accountability mechanisms — including the public order emergency commission taking place right now — to thoroughly examine how the law was used.

In the case of a “public order emergency,” as was declared in February, the government has to demonstrate (with evidence) a situation that seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians or one that seriously threatens the government’s ability to preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada. They must also show that the situation could not be effectively dealt with under any Canadian law. It must be a true last resort.

The commission is the “ask questions later” part of the equation. Although it can make no findings of legal liability, the government’s decisions and actions are nonetheless on trial. It is the government’s responsibility to prove they acted within the bounds of the law — ultimately the Constitution.

But an intolerable situation requiring decisive action is not the same thing as a national emergency, nor does it demonstrate a threat to national security. Ottawa Police didn’t lack the legal authority to ticket, detain and arrest.

According to the evidence we have heard so far, they lacked resources, until they got substantial OPP and RCMP reinforcements.

We’ve also learned that the various levels of government and police forces were not always playing well together, with the provincial government largely disengaged from talks to resolve the situation in Ottawa.

The evidence we have heard so far has been compelling, but we have yet to hear anything demonstrating that the government’s use of the Emergencies Act was necessary.
 
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The gov't argument has been the police were unable to respond because they didn't have the tools to do so. That's why they're grilling the cops. But it's becoming obvious that the cops had the tools they needed and there were other reasons why they hadn't cleared the protest.
Yes the obvious reason was and still is that the protesters complied and cooperated with the police at every turn and did not warrant further action . The testimony we are hearing bares out this fact .
 
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The leader of the Conservative Party believes there was no need for the federal government to invoke the Emergencies Act if Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would have just sat down and listened to what some of the truckers had to say.

"He didn't have to agree with them," said Pierre Polievre on Wake Up With Rob Snow on Oct. 21. 'Would it have been so hard for him to sit down with them for 15 minutes and hear them out? I think the whole thing would have come to an early end if he had done just that."

If you were looking to the Emergencies Act inquiry for justification that invoking the Act was needed, you’d be sorely disappointed. What we’ve mostly been treated to is an ongoing parade of examples of how unprepared and incompetent Ottawa was to deal with the convoy.

Act first, ask questions later. That’s what the Emergencies Act allows the government to do.

No parliamentary debate, no sober second thought in the Senate, no transparent democratic process. Just action. New legal orders start to govern us on the sole authority of the prime minister and cabinet.
In times of true national crisis, this may be necessary. But the concentration of power in a few hands is dangerous. It is just as necessary that the use of this power be severely constrained and closely scrutinized.

The Emergencies Act is an exceptionally powerful law. And it’s for that reason that it sets a high legal threshold before an emergency can be declared. The law also includes several important accountability mechanisms — including the public order emergency commission taking place right now — to thoroughly examine how the law was used.

In the case of a “public order emergency,” as was declared in February, the government has to demonstrate (with evidence) a situation that seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians or one that seriously threatens the government’s ability to preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada. They must also show that the situation could not be effectively dealt with under any Canadian law. It must be a true last resort.

The commission is the “ask questions later” part of the equation. Although it can make no findings of legal liability, the government’s decisions and actions are nonetheless on trial. It is the government’s responsibility to prove they acted within the bounds of the law — ultimately the Constitution.

But an intolerable situation requiring decisive action is not the same thing as a national emergency, nor does it demonstrate a threat to national security. Ottawa Police didn’t lack the legal authority to ticket, detain and arrest.

According to the evidence we have heard so far, they lacked resources, until they got substantial OPP and RCMP reinforcements.

We’ve also learned that the various levels of government and police forces were not always playing well together, with the provincial government largely disengaged from talks to resolve the situation in Ottawa.

The evidence we have heard so far has been compelling, but we have yet to hear anything demonstrating that the government’s use of the Emergencies Act was necessary.
As long as the commission and the reporting media get away with statements like intolerable situation we will never get anywhere . The market two blocks from parliament hill in the heart of Ottawa’s tourist district is a haven for drug dealing and all that accompanies it . That is the intolerant situation yet it continues for years on end .
 

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As long as the commission and the reporting media get away with statements like intolerable situation we will never get anywhere . The market two blocks from parliament hill in the heart of Ottawa’s tourist district is a haven for drug dealing and all that accompanies it . That is the intolerant situation yet it continues for years on end .
How can anyone trust a Govt trying to push an anti-disinfornation bill when the Govt itself is spreading disinformation?
 

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Yes the obvious reason was and still is that the protesters complied and cooperated with the police at every turn and did not warrant further action . The testimony we are hearing bares out this fact .
not untrue - they didn't entirely comply as they were asked to leave but didn't, but otherwise did co operate and were in negotiations to leave and end the protest when a new heavy handed approach was taken by others.

The one and only court order saying it was illegal to honk at night was complied with immediately.
 

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not untrue - they didn't entirely comply as they were asked to leave but didn't, but otherwise did co operate and were in negotiations to leave and end the protest when a new heavy handed approach was taken by others.

The one and only court order saying it was illegal to honk at night was complied with immediately.
Of course it was . These were fine people that were not there to harm Ottawa .
 

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Mayor Jim Watson said that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government didn't reach out to the City of Ottawa before invoking the Emergencies Act, despite the city's then-ongoing negotiations with convoy organizers.

 

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Mayor Jim Watson said that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government didn't reach out to the City of Ottawa before invoking the Emergencies Act, despite the city's then-ongoing negotiations with convoy organizers.

Of course not .
 

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There are two distinct narratives about last winter’s Freedom Convoy emerging from the current judicial inquiry into the Trudeau government’s imposition of the Emergencies Act.

Let’s call the first narrative – the one being peddled by politicians and “progressive” journalists at the time – the Panicked Version. The other narrative – the one from more sober officials, police commanders and intelligence services – could be labelled the Realistic Version.

In the Panicked Version, the truckers were sadistic insurrectionists, armed rapists bent on intimidating ordinary residents of our nation’s capital while plotting the overthrow of our government.

According to the Panicked narrative, the only thing standing between our democracy and utter chaos was our prime minister’s bold declaration of a national state of emergency.

Under the Realistic Version, which was the subject of much of this week’s testimony at the Rouleau Commission (officially the Public Order Emergency Commission), the convoy truckers were disruptive, to be sure, and there were a few minor scuffles, as you would expect during any mass protest. However, participants were no threat to public safety or national security.

They were not the dupes of American white nationalists nor the puppets of foreign governments. They were not armed. And none were ever charged with a serious violent crime.

Outgoing Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson testified (as he had said previously in public) that truckers had intimidated residents within the zones they occupied by yanking the COVID masks off anyone wearing one.

But (Whoopsies!!!) under cross examination at the commission, Watson had to admit he had never witnessed such intimidating tactics nor received police reports of them. Instead, he had heard about the mask-stripping and other alleged bullying only through media reports.

In true invisible-monsters-under-the-bed fashion, Ottawa city councillor and New Democrat, Catherine McKenney (currently also an Ottawa mayoralty candidate), testified this week that they felt “fear” and “terror” from the convoy (although in the next breath they talked of how they walked daily around the blockade sites without being assaulted or abused).

Like Watson, though, McKenney, too, was forced to admit they had seen no acts of intimidation or violence, but rather had relied on social media accounts as their “proof.”

The federal Liberal cabinet claimed the convoy was full of rapists based on, well, no one is exactly sure what that slander was based on. All we know is that Ottawa police registered no sexual assaults related to the convoy.

Convoyers were called arsonists after a fire in an apartment block near their protests. Yet no one apologized when Ottawa police charged suspects unrelated to the convoy.

And on and on and on, etc…Link above, etc…

On the Realistic Version side, this week the Rouleau commission heard from Pat Morris, the head of the Ontario Provincial Police intelligence unit. He described most of the political/media depictions of the convoy as “hyperbole” and “sensationalized.”

Remember when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau slurred convoy participants as a “fringe minority?” Morris testified that, on the contrary, his unit determined participants had a “multitude of grievances” and appeared to be mostly ordinary citizens with a “large degree of support” across the country.

That echoed testimony from last spring by Barry MacKillop, deputy head of the federal government’s own terrorism-funding, money-laundering investigation unit. MacKillop told a Commons committee his agency could find no evidence of illegal funding for the convoy. In fact, most donors seemed to be ordinary people fed up with COVID restrictions who had chipped in a few of their own dollars.

Canadian elites – the Panicked Version adherents – had talked themselves into believing the Convoy was a vast conspiracy to undermine our institutions (i.e. to undermine them). But as we are learning at the Rouleau commission, this was largely delusional.

In the Emergencies Act, the incompetence of local police is not listed as one of the reasons to invoke the act. Ending the occupation of downtown Ottawa required effective policing, which did eventually happen, all of which could have happened without suspending civil liberties or freezing bank accounts of ordinary citizens protesting their government.
 
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The question is often asked if they had a constitutional right to do the protest, especially considering they blocked the streets. Here's a lawyer weighing in on the question.


So it seems like they had a pretty strong case that they did, at least initially for the first weekend or so. And the powers that be NEVER WENT TO A JUDGE TO HAVE IT RULED UNLAWFUL AT ANY POINT, which still baffles me.
 

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There are two distinct narratives about last winter’s Freedom Convoy emerging from the current judicial inquiry into the Trudeau government’s imposition of the Emergencies Act.

Let’s call the first narrative – the one being peddled by politicians and “progressive” journalists at the time – the Panicked Version. The other narrative – the one from more sober officials, police commanders and intelligence services – could be labelled the Realistic Version.

In the Panicked Version, the truckers were sadistic insurrectionists, armed rapists bent on intimidating ordinary residents of our nation’s capital while plotting the overthrow of our government.

According to the Panicked narrative, the only thing standing between our democracy and utter chaos was our prime minister’s bold declaration of a national state of emergency.

Under the Realistic Version, which was the subject of much of this week’s testimony at the Rouleau Commission (officially the Public Order Emergency Commission), the convoy truckers were disruptive, to be sure, and there were a few minor scuffles, as you would expect during any mass protest. However, participants were no threat to public safety or national security.

They were not the dupes of American white nationalists nor the puppets of foreign governments. They were not armed. And none were ever charged with a serious violent crime.

Outgoing Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson testified (as he had said previously in public) that truckers had intimidated residents within the zones they occupied by yanking the COVID masks off anyone wearing one.

But (Whoopsies!!!) under cross examination at the commission, Watson had to admit he had never witnessed such intimidating tactics nor received police reports of them. Instead, he had heard about the mask-stripping and other alleged bullying only through media reports.

In true invisible-monsters-under-the-bed fashion, Ottawa city councillor and New Democrat, Catherine McKenney (currently also an Ottawa mayoralty candidate), testified this week that they felt “fear” and “terror” from the convoy (although in the next breath they talked of how they walked daily around the blockade sites without being assaulted or abused).

Like Watson, though, McKenney, too, was forced to admit they had seen no acts of intimidation or violence, but rather had relied on social media accounts as their “proof.”

The federal Liberal cabinet claimed the convoy was full of rapists based on, well, no one is exactly sure what that slander was based on. All we know is that Ottawa police registered no sexual assaults related to the convoy.

Convoyers were called arsonists after a fire in an apartment block near their protests. Yet no one apologized when Ottawa police charged suspects unrelated to the convoy.

And on and on and on, etc…Link above, etc…

On the Realistic Version side, this week the Rouleau commission heard from Pat Morris, the head of the Ontario Provincial Police intelligence unit. He described most of the political/media depictions of the convoy as “hyperbole” and “sensationalized.”

Remember when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau slurred convoy participants as a “fringe minority?” Morris testified that, on the contrary, his unit determined participants had a “multitude of grievances” and appeared to be mostly ordinary citizens with a “large degree of support” across the country.

That echoed testimony from last spring by Barry MacKillop, deputy head of the federal government’s own terrorism-funding, money-laundering investigation unit. MacKillop told a Commons committee his agency could find no evidence of illegal funding for the convoy. In fact, most donors seemed to be ordinary people fed up with COVID restrictions who had chipped in a few of their own dollars.

Canadian elites – the Panicked Version adherents – had talked themselves into believing the Convoy was a vast conspiracy to undermine our institutions (i.e. to undermine them). But as we are learning at the Rouleau commission, this was largely delusional.

In the Emergencies Act, the incompetence of local police is not listed as one of the reasons to invoke the act. Ending the occupation of downtown Ottawa required effective policing, which did eventually happen, all of which could have happened without suspending civil liberties or freezing bank accounts of ordinary citizens protesting their government.
I agree with all Gunter has written with the exception of his final paragraph . Ending the block aid in Ottawa required a government that would listen and respond to the wishes of its citizens . There has never in my life been such a demonstration carried out with dignity and respect met with such utter contempt . The governments response is a black mark in Canadian history and should never be repeated . IMHO