Public Inquiries into Emergencies Act begin September 19

Ron in Regina

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It's the "no harm, no foul" rule familiar to street basketball players.

I'm not sure I've ever seen it presented as a legal argument. . .
We’ve had our three days of court for both sides to present their arguments, and then a vacuum of information until a further undisclosed date for a decision.

“The Trudeau government’s use of this extraordinary law may be the most severe example of overreach and violations of civil liberties seen during the pandemic,” said Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF) Litigation Director Christine Van Geyn. “The use of this powerful law was unauthorized because the legal threshold to use the law was not met.”
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OTTAWA — The federal government lacked the evidence to determine protests and barricades across Canada last year were threats to national security, an organization that defends constitutional rights told a federal judge Tuesday.
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“Cabinet’s determination that the protests and blockades were threats to the security of Canada was unreasonable, because it had insufficient evidence to reach that conclusion,” Choudhry said during the second day of a Federal Court review.

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OTTAWA — The “Freedom Convoy” movement was still in “full swing” the day the Liberal government invoked the Emergencies Act early last year, justifying the extraordinary measures, a federal lawyer said Wednesday during a judicial review of the government’s historic decision.
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“The situation was dynamic, continuously unfolding in the days leading up to the invocation,” he said. “And on the ground, other measures that had been taken – from injunctions to law enforcement efforts – had been flouted, proven ineffective.”
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On the third and final day of the proceedings, lawyers for the federal attorney general spelled out reasons the court should dismiss arguments from several groups and individuals opposed to the government’s use of the emergency law.
After hearing from the parties, Justice Richard Mosley reserved decision on the matter until “a later date,” advising counsel it’s going to “take a while” to arrive at a decision.
 
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We’ve had our three days of court for both sides to present their arguments, and then a vacuum of information until a further undisclosed date for a decision.
OK, to be fair. . .

Courts don't generally release "interim thoughts."

You'll hear when they make and release a decision.

Not everything is a Great Big Conspiracy by Satan Trudeau to hurt your feels.
 
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Tried to present both sides, though I’m admittedly biased. I assumed there would be a deadline for an announcement date of some type instead of just vagueness.
OK, first, I'm not Canadian, and not all that familiar with your judicial system.

Bearing that in mind, I'm not familiar with any English-common-law descended judicial system in which judicial authorities (judges or justices) announce dates for decisions.

But don't let that stop your from darkly hinting that there's skullduggery afoot.
 

Ron in Regina

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Ok, I will govern myself accordingly. I’ve done some more reading, and it sounds like due to the almost absolute certainty of an appeal being called by one side or the other, that is part of the reasoning behind the lack of timeframe in reaching a decision. That and the complexity of the situation, and the amount of caselaw to be referred to.
 

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Ok, I will govern myself accordingly. I’ve done some more reading, and it sounds like due to the almost absolute certainty of an appeal being called by one side or the other, that is part of the reasoning behind the lack of timeframe in reaching a decision. That and the complexity of the situation, and the amount of caselaw to be referred to.
Have no fear, the process will continue, probably until and through the next election.
 

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So the protest was legal until it was not legal as of Valentine’s Day…& the honking of horns stopped on the seventh, with the injunction by a local Ottawa judge…

So I wonder if this only entails the timeframe from the 14th to 21 February??? where there were no honking horns???

If they’re going to do this, though, then every protest going forward in our nations capital deserves its own class action lawsuit against it I guess? Or do we just outlaw protest in Canada?
Approved protests will still be welcomed. If you are protesting oil wells or logging old growth, you could probably get a government grant to protest.
 
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Have no fear, the process will continue, probably until and through the next election.
Currently, there are multiple court cases in the works. There is also an investigation by a family friend to find a way to absolve turdOWE of any criminal activities. That one is supposed to have a fixed timeline.
 
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We’ve had our three days of court for both sides to present their arguments, and then a vacuum of information until a further undisclosed date for a decision.

“The Trudeau government’s use of this extraordinary law may be the most severe example of overreach and violations of civil liberties seen during the pandemic,” said Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF) Litigation Director Christine Van Geyn. “The use of this powerful law was unauthorized because the legal threshold to use the law was not met.”
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OTTAWA — The federal government lacked the evidence to determine protests and barricades across Canada last year were threats to national security, an organization that defends constitutional rights told a federal judge Tuesday.
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“Cabinet’s determination that the protests and blockades were threats to the security of Canada was unreasonable, because it had insufficient evidence to reach that conclusion,” Choudhry said during the second day of a Federal Court review.

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OTTAWA — The “Freedom Convoy” movement was still in “full swing” the day the Liberal government invoked the Emergencies Act early last year, justifying the extraordinary measures, a federal lawyer said Wednesday during a judicial review of the government’s historic decision.
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“The situation was dynamic, continuously unfolding in the days leading up to the invocation,” he said. “And on the ground, other measures that had been taken – from injunctions to law enforcement efforts – had been flouted, proven ineffective.”
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On the third and final day of the proceedings, lawyers for the federal attorney general spelled out reasons the court should dismiss arguments from several groups and individuals opposed to the government’s use of the emergency law.
After hearing from the parties, Justice Richard Mosley reserved decision on the matter until “a later date,” advising counsel it’s going to “take a while” to arrive at a decision.
Wonder if he will reach the right one.
 

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OTTAWA — More than a year after the Freedom Convoy closed the road in front of Parliament Hill, the City of Ottawa is planning to reopen Wellington Street, even as the federal government pushes to keep the area permanently closed.

Wellington Street, which runs east-west in front of Parliament Hill, was overrun with large trucks and convoy protesters during the protests in 2022. After a massive police operation cleared the area, the road remained closed to all except essential traffic, but city councillors in Ottawa, who control the road, voted to open it in February.
 

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OTTAWA — More than a year after the Freedom Convoy closed the road in front of Parliament Hill, the City of Ottawa is planning to reopen Wellington Street, even as the federal government pushes to keep the area permanently closed.

Wellington Street, which runs east-west in front of Parliament Hill, was overrun with large trucks and convoy protesters during the protests in 2022. After a massive police operation cleared the area, the road remained closed to all except essential traffic, but city councillors in Ottawa, who control the road, voted to open it in February.
Yikes . To ensure the safety of Parliment Hill . . Someone is feeling guilty of something .
 

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Well, it really wasn’t about the convoy or the protesters themselves, or about the real or non-real or imagined or potential violence, etc….it was about propaganda allowing Justin/Jagmeet combined to be both Saviours & Strongmen combined with the law enforcement & government’s incompetent
The report in my opinion was a pure dud. It danced around with equivalencies — police forces were unprepared, there was a lack of coordination between agencies, the media was stocked with alarming stories that proved empty or false, Mr. Trudeau was provocative, the truckers were loud … and on and on, it was a tango of “on the one hand, but then on the other hand.”

It concluded with an almost outrageous reflection that reasonable people could come to a different conclusion than the author of the report. In other words the justice was saying, while I have determined the invocation of the gravest legislation on the Canadian statute books was “justified,” others, of decent judgment and intellect, looking at the same facts, reviewing the same material, could quite reasonably conclude it wasn’t.

response to the convoy….that Justin-ified the commission’s decision.
The Commission (my understanding of it) was to see if the government was right in enforcing the EA. Apparently, Trudeau gave instructions for the Committee to investigate the protesters & not the government which is likely the reason why the report ended like it did. This was all a waste of time.
How can a police force be "unprepared" for a traffic jam? "Move your truck to a legal spot." "No." "OK, we'll haul it away. If you lay a hand on a cop, city worker, or contractor involved in the hauling, we'll break your head and arrest you."

If they riot, call in the riot squad. If they start burning down the city and/or other cities, THEN, MAYBE you invoke the EA.

Justin either panicked or decided to play hard man. He's not that good an actor.
The government’s response to the Rouleau commission and the suite of recommendations about policing and the Emergencies Act is expected to be released in the coming days.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau initially promised to respond within six months, a deadline that expired on Thursday, but a government source, who spoke on background because they were not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed a response “in the coming days.”

After months of study and six weeks of public hearings that ended with Trudeau’s testimony, Justice Paul Rouleau delivered a report in February with more than 56 recommendations focusing on the police response to the convoy protests, as well as changes to the Emergencies Act itself.

When the report was released, Trudeau pledged to have the government give a comprehensive response.
Who could’ve guessed that Trudeau & the Liberal/NDP would’ve needed the late release of this report to distract from other scandals??? My answer would be most of Western Canada, and Eastern Canada, and Northern Canada, informed Americans, and Earthlings in general.
 

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The criminal trial for two of the most prominent faces of the trucker-led protests that paralyzed the core of the country’s capital for more than three weeks early last year is set to begin Tuesday.

The demonstrations prompted one of the largest police responses in Canadian history and largely led to the invocation of the federal Emergencies Act. In addition to the protests in Ottawa, traffic was blocked at vital border crossings in other parts of the country.

Proceedings for Tamara Lich and Chris Barber will take place at the Ottawa Courthouse and are expected to run into October.

They face charges of mischief, obstructing police and intimidation of Parliament, as well as one charge of counselling for each of those three offences.

In a joint statement released ahead of the trial, lawyers for Ms. Lich and Mr. Barber said “we do not expect this to be the trial of the Freedom Convoy. The central issue will be whether the actions of two of the organizers of a peaceful protest should warrant criminal sanction,” the statement said.

Ms. Lich has worked primarily in the oil and gas sector and is based in Medicine Hat. She is a former member of the governing council of the separatist Maverick Party in Alberta. Mr. Barber is a commercial truck driver from Swift Current, Sask.

The above situation makes me think of this one:
Where the PM didn’t feel the need for the Emergencies Act that had never being used before under this name anyway, & only once before, under the War Measures Act (outside of actual War times) but by the other Trudeau.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue. The Canadian government does not tell the police what to do operationally. In any case, the police services are under provincial or municipal control.

Canada’s Justice Minister David Lametti says escalating protests in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en Nation that saw demonstrators light fires near rail tracks…
1693832233301.jpeg….and throw pallets at a moving train this week was senseless, yet not an act of terrorism…etc….
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But this is only interesting in “Yeah but” sort’a way though.
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But this didn’t interrupt parking in Ottawa for a couple of weeks:
 

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The criminal trial for two of the most prominent faces of the trucker-led protests that paralyzed the core of the country’s capital for more than three weeks early last year is set to begin Tuesday.

The demonstrations prompted one of the largest police responses in Canadian history and largely led to the invocation of the federal Emergencies Act. In addition to the protests in Ottawa, traffic was blocked at vital border crossings in other parts of the country.

Proceedings for Tamara Lich and Chris Barber will take place at the Ottawa Courthouse and are expected to run into October.

They face charges of mischief, obstructing police and intimidation of Parliament, as well as one charge of counselling for each of those three offences.

In a joint statement released ahead of the trial, lawyers for Ms. Lich and Mr. Barber said “we do not expect this to be the trial of the Freedom Convoy. The central issue will be whether the actions of two of the organizers of a peaceful protest should warrant criminal sanction,” the statement said.

Ms. Lich has worked primarily in the oil and gas sector and is based in Medicine Hat. She is a former member of the governing council of the separatist Maverick Party in Alberta. Mr. Barber is a commercial truck driver from Swift Current, Sask.

The above situation makes me think of this one:
Where the PM didn’t feel the need for the Emergencies Act that had never being used before under this name anyway, & only once before, under the War Measures Act (outside of actual War times) but by the other Trudeau.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue. The Canadian government does not tell the police what to do operationally. In any case, the police services are under provincial or municipal control.

Canada’s Justice Minister David Lametti says escalating protests in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en Nation that saw demonstrators light fires near rail tracks…
View attachment 19199….and throw pallets at a moving train this week was senseless, yet not an act of terrorism…etc….
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But this is only interesting in “Yeah but” sort’a way though.
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But this didn’t interrupt parking in Ottawa for a couple of weeks:
And the threatening of Parliment , can’t have that . Yikes
 

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wouldn't it be fun if the comedy show, 22 Minutes or the like, did a spoof on these proceedings that start on International Talk Like A Pirate Day?

International Talk Like a Pirate Day is a parodic holiday created in 1995 by John Baur and Mark Summers of Albany, Oregon, who proclaimed September 19 each year as the day when everyone in the world should talk like a pirate. It has since been adopted by the Pastafarianism movement as an official holiday. Wikipedia
 
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I just watched a video of a lawyer from the Commission who was defending the Convoy & he said that when he questioned the so-called "experts" that government officials said were who the government was relying on, he found on cross examination that none of what the government did was sanctioned by these same experts but that the decisions were purely political.

Now who would have thunk that? I'm thinking most of us pretty much knew we were being lied to and now we know for a fact we were.
 

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I just watched a video of a lawyer from the Commission who was defending the Convoy & he said that when he questioned the so-called "experts" that government officials said were who the government was relying on, he found on cross examination that none of what the government did was sanctioned by these same experts but that the decisions were purely political.

Now who would have thunk that? I'm thinking most of us pretty much knew we were being lied to and now we know for a fact we were.
Anyone that spent any time away from the mainstream media and saw actual streaming video from the convoy knew they ( the government and by extension the mainstream media ) were lying from day one .
 

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I just watched a video of a lawyer from the Commission who was defending the Convoy & he said that when he questioned the so-called "experts" that government officials said were who the government was relying on, he found on cross examination that none of what the government did was sanctioned by these same experts but that the decisions were purely political.

Now who would have thunk that? I'm thinking most of us pretty much knew we were being lied to and now we know for a fact we were.
Yep, you can always trust lawyers to tell the unvarnished, objective truth.