Public Inquiries into Emergencies Act begin September 19

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Uh-oh…Mendicino. Looking to give CSIS the “Broader” definition of threats that the Gov’t used for the Emergencies Act that’s toooo top secret for the public (or the head of the Emergencies Act Public Inquiry) to hear?

CSIS's key mandate is to investigate activities suspected of constituting threats to the security of the country, and to report to the Government of Canada. But the definition in law of such threats under the Emergencies Act turned out to be a key point of contention during the inquiry.

Under CSIS's enabling law, such threats are defined as espionage or sabotage, foreign influence activities detrimental to Canada's interest, serious violence against persons or property "for the purpose of achieving a political, religious or ideological objective" in Canada or a foreign state, and activities intended to overthrow a government by violence.

The summary called for a change to the definition of a threat to national security "to match the expanding expectations of government for more information from the intelligence service, for example relating to economic security, research security and pandemic and health intelligence, because the definition in terms of threat currently can be quite narrow."

Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program, said she sees any expansion of the legal definition of a "threat to national security" as a power grab.

"If everything is national security, then nothing is off the table," she said.

"Our national security bodies, reasonably, have extraordinary powers, to do the difficult and important job that they do. For a body with extraordinary powers, it's important that their mandate be narrow, precise and clear."

The question of whether section two of the CSIS Act — which defines threats to national security — is broad enough to capture modern threats was a major source of debate during the public hearings phase of the Emergencies Act inquiry.

"Justin Trudeau noted that CSIS does not necessarily have the right tools, mandate or even mindset to respond to the threat Canada faced at that moment," says a summary of that interview, released as part of the commission inquiry.

Wark (whomever Wark is) said he doesn't think serious talk of modernizing the act will happen until after Paul Rouleau, head of the Public Order Emergency Commission, tables his final report in February. Much would depend on whether the Liberal minority government can secure NDP support for any legislative changes, he added.

McPhail (Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program) said she doesn't think Canadians "are going to roll over and play dead" in response to any push to change CSIS's mandate. (Yet that’s what the current Liberal Minority Gov’t with NDP backing is advocating

"What we're really talking about is changing the degree to which our national security spy agency can intervene or interfere in the lives of Canadians," she said. "And that's not the kind of decision that should be taken lightly."

Mendicino (Liberal/NDP Minority Gov’t Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino) said he hopes Rouleau's final recommendations touch on CSIS's concerns.

"He believes he's got the evidence that he needs to make some conclusions about that," said the minister….like the definition that the government used in their broader interpretation of the act???
 

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Uh-oh…Mendicino. Looking to give CSIS the “Broader” definition of threats that the Gov’t used for the Emergencies Act that’s toooo top secret for the public (or the head of the Emergencies Act Public Inquiry) to hear?

CSIS's key mandate is to investigate activities suspected of constituting threats to the security of the country, and to report to the Government of Canada. But the definition in law of such threats under the Emergencies Act turned out to be a key point of contention during the inquiry.

Under CSIS's enabling law, such threats are defined as espionage or sabotage, foreign influence activities detrimental to Canada's interest, serious violence against persons or property "for the purpose of achieving a political, religious or ideological objective" in Canada or a foreign state, and activities intended to overthrow a government by violence.

The summary called for a change to the definition of a threat to national security "to match the expanding expectations of government for more information from the intelligence service, for example relating to economic security, research security and pandemic and health intelligence, because the definition in terms of threat currently can be quite narrow."

Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program, said she sees any expansion of the legal definition of a "threat to national security" as a power grab.

"If everything is national security, then nothing is off the table," she said.

"Our national security bodies, reasonably, have extraordinary powers, to do the difficult and important job that they do. For a body with extraordinary powers, it's important that their mandate be narrow, precise and clear."

The question of whether section two of the CSIS Act — which defines threats to national security — is broad enough to capture modern threats was a major source of debate during the public hearings phase of the Emergencies Act inquiry.

"Justin Trudeau noted that CSIS does not necessarily have the right tools, mandate or even mindset to respond to the threat Canada faced at that moment," says a summary of that interview, released as part of the commission inquiry.

Wark (whomever Wark is) said he doesn't think serious talk of modernizing the act will happen until after Paul Rouleau, head of the Public Order Emergency Commission, tables his final report in February. Much would depend on whether the Liberal minority government can secure NDP support for any legislative changes, he added.

McPhail (Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program) said she doesn't think Canadians "are going to roll over and play dead" in response to any push to change CSIS's mandate. (Yet that’s what the current Liberal Minority Gov’t with NDP backing is advocating

"What we're really talking about is changing the degree to which our national security spy agency can intervene or interfere in the lives of Canadians," she said. "And that's not the kind of decision that should be taken lightly."

Mendicino (Liberal/NDP Minority Gov’t Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino) said he hopes Rouleau's final recommendations touch on CSIS's concerns.

"He believes he's got the evidence that he needs to make some conclusions about that," said the minister….like the definition that the government used in their broader interpretation of the act???
Preparing for the day we elect a dictator for life .
 

Ron in Regina

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This is the problem. When the gov't gets to decide when a thing is or is not a 'threat', rather than the law spelling it out, then everything the public does is a the whim of the gov't, instead of the other way around.
…& everything the government does, then becomes a national security issue, that’s too secret for our ears, regardless of the law as due to national security, needs to be interpreted more broadly, but the interpretation is also secret.
 

Ron in Regina

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You're not supposed to know that....
Uh-oh…Mendicino….The summary called for a change to the definition of a threat to national security "to match the expanding expectations of government for more information from the intelligence service, for example relating to economic security, research security and pandemic and health intelligence, because the definition in terms of threat currently can be quite narrow."
This just sounds sooo familiar though, like we’ve heard this before recently in November, etc…
Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program, said she sees any expansion of the legal definition of a "threat to national security" as a power grab.

"If everything is national security, then nothing is off the table," she said.
Hmmm…yeah. It’s like watching an accident about to happen where you can’t turn away. It’s not like anybody is being secretive about their intentions, just the justification for their actions.
"Justin Trudeau noted that CSIS does not necessarily have the right tools, mandate or even mindset to respond to the threat Canada faced at that moment," says a summary of that interview, released as part of the commission inquiry.
CSIS had the right tools for more than four decades until it wasn’t convenient for Justin Trudeau in February.
Wark (whomever Wark is) said he doesn't think serious talk of modernizing the act will happen until after Paul Rouleau, head of the Public Order Emergency Commission, tables his final report in February.
Which is less than two months away, as Parliament is currently on their winter break.
Much would depend on whether the Liberal minority government can secure NDP support for any legislative changes, he added.
…& is there any “real” doubt about which way Jagmeet will jump? Honestly?
McPhail (Brenda McPhail, director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's privacy, technology and surveillance program) said she doesn't think Canadians "are going to roll over and play dead" in response to any push to change CSIS's mandate. (Yet that’s what the current Liberal Minority Gov’t with NDP backing is advocating

"What we're really talking about is changing the degree to which our national security spy agency can intervene or interfere in the lives of Canadians," she said. "And that's not the kind of decision that should be taken lightly."
Do “Canadians” have any choice between 2023 & 2025? As long as whatever changes come in to play are embedded so deeply that they will take grand effort to try to reverse….Canadians choice is irrelevant.
Mendicino (Liberal/NDP Minority Gov’t Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino) said he hopes Rouleau's final recommendations touch on CSIS's concerns.
Hopefully Rouleau proposes a “Trudeau” clause (both Senior, Junior, & Potential) to the Emergencies Act use and “Broadening” definitions, put into place more than four decades ago, to keep this exact scenario from happening.
"He believes he's got the evidence that he needs to make some conclusions about that," said the minister….like the definition that the government used in their broader interpretation of the act???
I don’t doubt that Mendicino believes this.
 

Ron in Regina

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Here you can count the days that butts will be in the seats in Parliament between now and the release of the written report from the Emergencies Act Public Inquiry that’s due by law on or about Feb 25th, 2023:
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I count 15, with nobody home on Feb 25th.
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Do “Canadians” have any choice between 2023 & 2025? As long as whatever changes come in to play are embedded so deeply that they will take grand effort to try to reverse….Canadians choice is irrelevant.
Well, there is protest of course. But then there's also the senate, which is basically what shut trudeau down this time. They made it clear they were going to vote against the act.
 

Ron in Regina

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Well, there is protest of course. But then there's also the senate, which is basically what shut trudeau down this time. They made it clear they were going to vote against the act.
Mayor (Ottawa) Mark Sutcliffe said that Wellington Street worked just fine before closing for the 2022 vehicle convoy protests and the city shouldn't let what happened dictate how residents move around their city.

"I don't like the way it looks right now — it's a reminder of the convoy," Sutcliffe said.

"If we're going to close the road to traffic, it should be because of a bigger plan that we have for Wellington and for downtown Ottawa, not because the convoy happened for three weeks in 2022."

The member of Parliament for the area disagrees.

"It's my view that it would be premature at this time to consider reopening, even on a temporary basis, when there are active conversations that are taking place between the federal government and City of Ottawa," said Yasir Naqvi, the Liberal MP for Ottawa Centre.

He concedes that Wellington feels "abandoned," but suggested short-term additions such as banners and flags, lighting and benches — as well as programmed events like last summer's street hockey tournament — would make it more welcoming.

"I don't think that running cars and buses [on Wellington] results in a better look for the street," said Naqvi ?????
 
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I expect trucks. Food trucks.
Feds want Wellington closed.
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Reopening Wellington Street could strain relations between the city and its federal partners.

The federal government has made it very clear it wants Wellington Street to stay closed to traffic, although it is open to other modes of transportation — think bike lanes and tramways.
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(The National Capital Commission (NCC) has recommended a plan to connect Ottawa and Gatineau's light rail systems via Wellington Street, in the heart of downtown Ottawa — despite the City of Ottawa's stated preference that it be connected, underground, one block to the south.)
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Last month, after hearing from dozens of witnesses, a House of Commons committee recommended that security for Wellington Street fall under federal jurisdiction.
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Liberal members of the committee want the government to enter into land transfer talks with the city to make Wellington Street part of the parliamentary precinct.
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"Whatever decisions are made in the short term are the decisions of the City of Ottawa because Wellington Street is under our jurisdiction," said the mayor.
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"If there's going to be any change in that, if it's going to become part of the federal jurisdiction, that needs to be part of a discussion and a negotiation between our two levels of government. So in the meantime, we have a decision to make."
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Mayor (Ottawa) Mark Sutcliffe said that Wellington Street worked just fine before closing for the 2022 vehicle convoy protests and the city shouldn't let what happened dictate how residents move around their city.

"I don't like the way it looks right now — it's a reminder of the convoy," Sutcliffe said.

"If we're going to close the road to traffic, it should be because of a bigger plan that we have for Wellington and for downtown Ottawa, not because the convoy happened for three weeks in 2022."

The member of Parliament for the area disagrees.

"It's my view that it would be premature at this time to consider reopening, even on a temporary basis, when there are active conversations that are taking place between the federal government and City of Ottawa," said Yasir Naqvi, the Liberal MP for Ottawa Centre.

He concedes that Wellington feels "abandoned," but suggested short-term additions such as banners and flags, lighting and benches — as well as programmed events like last summer's street hockey tournament — would make it more welcoming.

"I don't think that running cars and buses [on Wellington] results in a better look for the street," said Naqvi ?????
What other reason could there possibly be for a street, except for vehicle traffic?
 

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What other reason could there possibly be for a street, except for vehicle traffic?
Foot traffic actually. This is becoming a thing in some places, where sections of road are permanently or temporarily shut down to motor vehicles and the section is used for street vendors and other activiteis etc as a sort of open air mall/fair concept. But - the problem is that there was probably a very good reason why someone felt that putting it there FOR traffic originally was a good idea.
 

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Grandville st comes to mind, but busses and taxis are permitted. Also the occasional tourist that got lost. Victoria closed a couple of blocks of a street during Covid and looks like it will remain closed. Terrible idea if you drive. Much like the bike lanes that took a whole lane of traffic out of existence.
 

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Today is February 6th, 2023… expected to be hearing some snippets and YouTube’s from Parliament (unnamed sources, etc…) but it’s been quiet… this is from a week ago:

A week from now, on Feb. 6, the Trudeau government will be handed the report of Justice Paul Rouleau on the invocation of the Emergencies Act. The rest of us won’t get to see it for another two weeks after Trudeau and his team have studied it, dissected it, and come up with a communications strategy to respond to Rouleau’s findings.

Today being 02/06/23 & just crickets? Do a little bit of digging, because…silence? Trudeau silently reading the Cabinets copy two weeks before Parliament gets to see it?

A spokesperson for the commission confirmed the POEC has advised the Privy Council’s Office that “it is not able to provide its report in both official languages to the government by Feb. 6.”
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According to the Emergencies Act, the government was required to call the inquiry that Justice Rouleau headed up. The law states that within 60 days of the emergency order expiring or being revoked that the government shall, “cause an inquiry to be held into the circumstances that led to the declaration being issued and the measures taken for dealing with the emergency.”

The law also lays out when the report must be delivered. It’s not according to a schedule set by the government of the day, it’s in the legislation. The law states that the report, “shall be laid before each House of Parliament within three hundred and sixty days after the expiration or revocation of the declaration of emergency.”

So…..The Emergencies Act was invoked on Feb. 14, 2022, and revoked on Feb. 23, 2022, meaning that to meet the legal requirements, the report must be before Parliament no later than Feb. 17, 2023. Feb. 20, 2023 is 363 days after the emergency order was revoked.

(Parliament is actually sitting on the 17th, but isn’t on the 20th. Coincidence?)
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So….Less than a week ago….The commission probing the federal government’s unprecedented use of the Emergencies Act in response to last year’s “Freedom Convoy” protests has been granted more time to complete its report.

The Public Order Emergency Commission (POEC) was initially given a deadline of Feb. 6 to submit its report to cabinet, along with a final deadline of Feb. 20 for the report to be submitted to Parliament.

(It is not immediately clear if the report will still be delivered to cabinet first before being distributed to Parliament.)

The latter date is the absolute Deadline under the Emergencies Act legislation, which requires a commission launched in response to any invocation of the Act to submit its final report on the circumstances that led to that invocation to Parliament and to the public within 360 days of the Act being revoked.

That deadline is Feb. 20, 2023:

By law, the inquiry must complete its report and submit it to Parliament by February 20, 2023.
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OTTAWA — After 300 hours of testimony, 9,000 exhibits and a few major revelations, the public portion of an investigation into the first-ever use of the Emergencies Act ended Friday with a deep dive into questions about government accountability and transparency.

A panel of experts offered insight into a key issue the Public Order Emergency Commission will have to decide: whether the federal government has been forthcoming enough about why cabinet felt legally justified to invoke what is supposed to be a measure of last resort.

Ultimately it will be up to commissioner Paul Rouleau, who was tasked with leading the public inquiry, to decide whether the prime minister’s decision was justified, without having seen the legal basis upon which it was formed….in the spirit of accountability and transparency.

The commissioner has only until early February (?? Or later…??) to deliver his findings and recommendations to Parliament. The report must be made public in both official languages by Feb. 20.
 

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