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I wondered about that one. Does one have to go to some bureaucrats house to get a passport renewed? Will coffee and cookies be available in the family room while you wait?
Good luck with that , you expect any out of pocket expenditures
 

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So how would it be if our camp cook decided to work from home? How about the driving examiner?
If they can find a way to do it that works, sure. Why not. I can't immediately see how but as i very clearly said - "It should be left up to the departments to figure out what works for them." If it works for them then great. If showing up at the job works for them then great .

How is this a difficult concept for you? Let the people work out what works. imposing a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't' make much sense.
 

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….Yes, and no.

Yes, the 'rules of the game' are being decided now, and precedent is being set, but I CAN and WILL find fault of future governments if they try to do the same thing as Trudeau and have an 'easier' time of it. Actually, not just fault with government, but the Canadian people, too. Cause sure as hell as all the bitching and whining - legitimate or not - that has been going on, if, say, the Cons used the EA for something like this and there's absolute silence on it, it won't be hard then to get the reason why, right?
Mmmmm….I think you might be surprised but probably not….Regarding the theoretical future use of the emergencies act by some other political party in Canada. None will want that Liberal stench attached to them by using the EA unless they’re Liberals themselves already.

Outside of the theoretical, the Emergencies Act (formerly the War Measures Act), outside of actual war times, has only ever actually been used twice, both times only by the Liberals, and both times only when their leadership was by a Trudeau.

Anyway, Trudeau (the current one) solved the bylaw enforcement issue in Ottawa with the EA, & protected the Terry Fox Statue (which has subsequently been warehoused because it was in the way), and removed those protesters from in front of Parliament so that the road could remain closed to traffic since then anyway. He saved the day, then Putin invaded Ukraine saving Trudeau’s day. “Look over there!!”

OTTAWA — Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe says he is open to giving the street in front of Parliament Hill to the federal government, but he says simply redrawing maps won’t solve all the lingering concerns left by the Freedom Convoy.
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Liberal MPs, along with Bloc and NDP MPs joined together in making the suggestion for a takeover of the two streets, along with greater coordination and planning for large events.

The government has long-term plans that would create more offices for MPs off of Parliament Hill, as construction work continues and the number of MPs grows alongside Canada’s population.

Since the Freedom Convoy the road has been closed to most traffic with large barricades in place. Fergus said there is an opportunity to not only make the area safer, but to ultimately make it more inviting.

“This is one of the ways that can help that going forward, as well as it creates, like other capitals of the world, a lovely public space for people to gather, not only to protest, but to celebrate.”

The parliamentary committee was not unanimous in its opinion on the issue. Conservative MPs on the committee wrote a dissenting opinion arguing that security experts should be left to decide what should happen.

The Conservative MPs said it is not fair to think of the issue only as a security concern when Wellington Street is so central to the city itself.

“The need to double down on collaboration about Wellington Street is because it is not exclusively a security matter but is also a critical artery for transportation in downtown Ottawa.”….that has been closed to public traffic since Feb/2022 anyway….

The proposal would give the federal government control over Wellington, running from the National Memorial to the Supreme Court. All the buildings on that stretch are government-owned, with most serving as parliamentary offices.

“We did not hear a compelling argument from witnesses that politicians ought to wade in and give directions to policing and security professionals. Indeed, we heard views that the status quo was unsatisfactory to some and that stagnation on these questions would not be welcomed, but we did not hear that there was an impasse which only non-expert politicians could resolve,” wrote the Conservative MPs….unless the traffic situation & the residents of Ottawa are looked at “Much more Broadly” but that’s a different story.
 

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If they can find a way to do it that works, sure. Why not. I can't immediately see how but as i very clearly said - "It should be left up to the departments to figure out what works for them." If it works for them then great. If showing up at the job works for them then great .

How is this a difficult concept for you? Let the people work out what works. imposing a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't' make much sense.
What works for a government employee is irrelevant. It is what works for taxpayers that is important.
 

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What works for a government employee is irrelevant. It is what works for taxpayers that is important.
Absolutely! They work FOR us not the other way around. As it is, it's difficult to get information from any of the government departments. Has anyone here tried to contact a government department? How long were you on hold if you were even given that option? How many "numbers" did you have to press in order to get to someone you needed to speak with but ended up having to leave a message with no resulting call back? I can't tell you how many times I've had to contact the government with little or no success with the excuse that "oh, it's covid" and we're short-staffed. Well why are you short staffed? I've also had "oh I'm working from home so I can't access the information you need."

Leaving the issue to said departments will likely work to THEIR advantage rather than to ours. They are VERY WELL paid and need to get their assess into the office and get to work!!
 
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Absolutely! They work FOR us not the other way around. As it is, it's difficult to get information from any of the government departments. Has anyone here tried to contact a government department? How long were you on hold if you were even given that option? How many "numbers" did you have to press in order to get to someone you needed to speak with but ended up having to leave a message with no resulting call back? I can't tell you how many times I've had to contact the government with little or no success with the excuse that "oh, it's covid" and we're short-staffed. Well why are you short staffed? I've also had "oh I'm working from home so I can't access the information you need."

Leaving the issue to said departments will likely work to THEIR advantage rather than to ours. They are VERY WELL paid and need to get their assess into the office and get to work!!
Press one for service in French , those calls are always answered first , the government employee will be bilingual . She will be pissed but just plead ignorance, you will be served .
 

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What works for a government employee is irrelevant. It is what works for taxpayers that is important.
So you figure making the gov't employee less efficient and work in worse conditions is good for the taxpayer?

Wow. Never run a business.
 

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Absolutely! They work FOR us not the other way around
No. they work for themsevles. Like all people. And if you make them less efficient or try to impose conditions on them which make work harder then either the good ones quit and work for someone else leaving only the crap ones, or they just don't give a crap and do as little as necessary and we foot the bill.

As it is, it's difficult to get information from any of the government departments.
Yeah. Not enough staff and run inefficiently. Maybe we should stop that and make the departments responsible and give them the powers to do what works for them.
 

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Back to the “National Ottawa Bylaw Parking Enforcement Act”(previously the Emergencies Act…previously the War Measures Act).

Justin!! Hey Justin!! Your Google work’n?

SASKATOON — Chiefs in Saskatchewan sent a message to the provincial government to scrap a controversial bill or the new year could start with blockades.

“Political avenues, legal avenues are in place,” Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations Chief Bobby Cameron said.

“If all else fails, we will blockade.” Blockade? With ‘Vehicles’???
Chief Evan Taypotat of Kahkewistahaw First Nation said the only way to get the provincial government to listen is to have thousands of Indigenous people head to the highways, railways and city streets.

“Enough is enough,” Taypotat said.

First Nations leaders have a message for Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe: kill the controversial Saskatchewan First Act or face blockades, legal action and other consequences.

"And we're about to the point where we're going to start blockading."

Cameron said legal action is being initiated, and blockades could begin in the new year. That will be up to individual communities, Cameron said, but the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations will be there to support them.

"We're about to the point where we start blockading," Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations (FSIN) Bobby Cameron said.

First Nations chiefs in Saskatchewan are warning that a piece of legislation seeking to wrestle more control from the federal government could lead to protest blockades if the bill is not scrapped.

Now, I know this is a fringe group of racist misogynistic tinfoil-hat wearing what-have-you’s…BUT….there’s a rumour that there might be Blockades of roads & highways & Railways…now CSIS “May or May Not” have interweb access yet, and if they’re aware of this, they may or may not have an opinion of these statements but…

If there’s Blockades, are Ya crackin’ out the Emergency Ottawa Parking Honk Honk Bylaw Act and seizing bank accounts and bringing in the horses? Surely some of them must use mobility walkers? Get Freeland on the YouTube but stand her Apple Box on a rubber mat and put out some pylons in case she leaks….

You can’t say you don’t see this one coming there Liberal/NDP’ers and Freeland has stated that there’ll be zero tolerance for illegal blockades, etc…so are we all equal….or are some more equal than others?
 

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You can’t say you don’t see this one coming there Liberal/NDP’ers and Freeland has stated that there’ll be zero tolerance for illegal blockades, etc…so are we all equal….or are some more equal than others?
It puts them in a bad spot, that's for sure.

Not sure why the first nations are freaking out over the idea of sask having more power. You'd think they'd like having more of their issues addressed at a level they can actually get their hands on.
 

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It puts them in a bad spot, that's for sure.

Not sure why the first nations are freaking out over the idea of sask having more power. You'd think they'd like having more of their issues addressed at a level they can actually get their hands on.
Meh, bad spot? It’s a photo-op like BLM or LBGTQECT or The Teddy Bear thing and what have you.
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Justin will be out there with his non-single use metal reusable jerry can full of green bio-diesel-solitarily for the railway blockades (I’m not even going to touch the flammable rash of understandable church burnings)
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…on one knee, with a single photogenic tear rolling down one cheek. Is that a bad spot?
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Back to the “National Ottawa Bylaw Parking Enforcement Act”(previously the Emergencies Act…previously the War Measures Act).

Justin!! Hey Justin!! Your Google work’n?

SASKATOON — Chiefs in Saskatchewan sent a message to the provincial government to scrap a controversial bill or the new year could start with blockades.

“Political avenues, legal avenues are in place,” Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations Chief Bobby Cameron said.

“If all else fails, we will blockade.” Blockade? With ‘Vehicles’???
Chief Evan Taypotat of Kahkewistahaw First Nation said the only way to get the provincial government to listen is to have thousands of Indigenous people head to the highways, railways and city streets.

“Enough is enough,” Taypotat said.

First Nations leaders have a message for Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe: kill the controversial Saskatchewan First Act or face blockades, legal action and other consequences.

"And we're about to the point where we're going to start blockading."

Cameron said legal action is being initiated, and blockades could begin in the new year. That will be up to individual communities, Cameron said, but the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations will be there to support them.

"We're about to the point where we start blockading," Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations (FSIN) Bobby Cameron said.

First Nations chiefs in Saskatchewan are warning that a piece of legislation seeking to wrestle more control from the federal government could lead to protest blockades if the bill is not scrapped.

Now, I know this is a fringe group of racist misogynistic tinfoil-hat wearing what-have-you’s…BUT….there’s a rumour that there might be Blockades of roads & highways & Railways…now CSIS “May or May Not” have interweb access yet, and if they’re aware of this, they may or may not have an opinion of these statements but…

If there’s Blockades, are Ya crackin’ out the Emergency Ottawa Parking Honk Honk Bylaw Act and seizing bank accounts and bringing in the horses? Surely some of them must use mobility walkers? Get Freeland on the YouTube but stand her Apple Box on a rubber mat and put out some pylons in case she leaks….

You can’t say you don’t see this one coming there Liberal/NDP’ers and Freeland has stated that there’ll be zero tolerance for illegal blockades, etc…so are we all equal….or are some more equal than others?
There is that but conversely the chiefs are worried about the gravy train drying up if Saskatchewan and the almost first nations are both trying to assert sovereignty. Of course native sovereignty comes with built in federal funding .
 
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It puts them in a bad spot, that's for sure.

Not sure why the first nations are freaking out over the idea of sask having more power. You'd think they'd like having more of their issues addressed at a level they can actually get their hands on.
The chiefs live like kings under the present order . Who would want to upset that apple cart ?
 
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There is that but conversely the chiefs are worried about the gravy train drying up if Saskatchewan and the almost first nations are both trying to assert sovereignty. Of course native sovereignty comes with built in federal funding .
"This Bill asserts the exclusive jurisdiction of Saskatchewan over laws with respect to matters set out in sections 92 and 92A and does not restrict or limit existing First Nations rights," a statement from the provincial government said.

In an email, a provincial government official said the Saskatchewan Act will not infringe on Indigenous and treaty rights, noting Section 35 of the Constitution Act recognizes those rights.

The spokesperson's email also noted that part of Saskatchewan's Legislation Act — Section 2-43 — says that no provincial act "abrogates or derogates from the existing Aboriginal and treaty rights of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada that are recognized and affirmed by Section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982."

Anywho…..Blockades…..Justin & the broad secret legal definition….Emergencies Act….the genies out of the bottle….what will some future gov’t do, etc?
 

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"This Bill asserts the exclusive jurisdiction of Saskatchewan over laws with respect to matters set out in sections 92 and 92A and does not restrict or limit existing First Nations rights," a statement from the provincial government said.

In an email, a provincial government official said the Saskatchewan Act will not infringe on Indigenous and treaty rights, noting Section 35 of the Constitution Act recognizes those rights.

The spokesperson's email also noted that part of Saskatchewan's Legislation Act — Section 2-43 — says that no provincial act "abrogates or derogates from the existing Aboriginal and treaty rights of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada that are recognized and affirmed by Section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982."

Anywho…..Blockades…..Justin & the broad secret legal definition….Emergencies Act….the genies out of the bottle….what will some future gov’t do, etc?
Yep they will blame the Sask. party and sanction the taxpayers for not caving to the FN demands
 
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Yep they will blame the Sask. party and sanction the taxpayers for not caving to the FN demands
I’m much more interested in the reaction of the current (not future hypothetical ones) Federal NDP/Liberal Gov’t to see how “consistent” they are in their application of the “Broader Legal Definition of the Emergencies Act that you’re not allowed to see or hear” in a similar situation with again lots of forewarning in an announced protest that “May or may Not” involve Blockades of roadways and highways and apparently railways also.

The difference here would be that that this protest & potential Blockades wouldn’t be against Justin & his Merry Peoples. Will that make a difference now that the precedent has been made by this current Gov’t in their reaction?

No, I do not want to see the emergencies act used again, and I don’t think there’s any danger of that happening here whatsoever, and that decision would have no bearing whatsoever on what’s actually happening or may happen beyond the fact that these blockades that “May or May Not” happen would be by an identifiable political block that Trudeau will not want to treat as equals to the rest of Canadians.

Potential & Perceived violence? The only reaction by the federal government that will be consistent in the situation will be that it will be consistently hypocritical.