Province to axe jobs

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'09 for me, I borrowed a bunch of money when all the sh*t was near the bottom! :smile:
I hope some more assholes crash planes into buildings and more banks **** up royally so I can make a ****load more without having to get up in the morning.
 

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Eggs, bread, gas all up 30% or more in the past year.

You're confused. Our money supply has not grown, and the change in the costs of some goods isn't a reflection of a loss of value in our currency. The world is energy hungry, and some goods cost a lot energetically...for eggs and poultry in general, the best predictor of price is the cost of energy, namely electricity and diesel.
 

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It's the same as the argument that Harper is going to scrap medicare. I have had the distinct pleasure of being in a number of Provinces in this Country and every administers health care differently. Ontario grabs your taxes off your check. BC you have to pay out of pocket. Manitoba used to take it out of your paycheck. The Federal Conservatives will not scrap healthcare, they know it would mean political suicide.
I doubt Harpo will scrap medicare. I do think he will make serious attempts to privatize and institute a 2 tiered system where those with the money to pay directly from their pockets will get preferential treatment.

My point is this Nick: Dalton McGuinty has been a Union friendly Liberal for quite some time. He is faced with the reality that the public sector is bloated and the Province cannot afford it any longer. Harper, has little if anything to do with McGuinty's decision.
I wouldn't exactly class it as McGuinty's doing either. The economy has failed miserably and is still in decline. Unemployment while showing some stability in the stats is actually rising as those that are on EI have claims run out and are no longer counted. Underemployment has become a much larger issue, people who were making $20-30/hr before they lost their jobs are now making $10-15. All this has reduced the tax base considerably. I have seen/heard a few reports that estimate a drop in personal income tax revenues of between $5-16 billion by 2012. Add on the $6 billion for corporate welfare and I don't see how the cons can balance the budget, in fact they will run higher deficits. I imagine we will start hearing the excuses early next year in the months leading up to the next budget when the lies cannot be hidden anymore.

All that said I agree that there is much pork and waste at provincial & Federal levels and that it should be one of the first p[laces to start cutting.
 

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You're confused. Our money supply has not grown, and the change in the costs of some goods isn't a reflection of a loss of value in our currency. The world is energy hungry, and some goods cost a lot energetically...for eggs and poultry in general, the best predictor of price is the cost of energy, namely electricity and diesel.

Not confused enough to believe all the bullsh*t, a lot of which you continue to peddle. When I was a kid we had a few chickens and I can assure you none of them required any electricity or diesel to lay eggs. I guess you city slickers will believe anything! :lol:
 

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Not confused enough to believe all the bullsh*t, a lot of which you continue to peddle. When I was a kid we had a few chickens and I can assure you none of them required any electricity or diesel to lay eggs. I guess you city slickers will believe anything! :lol:

I dunno.. Petrol is becoming very costly these days..

 

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Ummm, so what. I am saying it is a result of a failing economy and Harpo's policies will not save it. Any govt will be forced to find savings as the economy gets worse, so will private sector businesses. Ontario is just the first we are seeing take this action but it will probably start happening all over before next spring.
Ya, I keep hearing you people claiming the economy is declining. But I'm watching new plants being built, the cottage next door sold in two weeks, I'm directly effected by the economy in my business, and I'm busy as hell.

Maybe if you and the media dicks that keep saying it enough, enough people will believe you guys and it might actually do so though.

Keep up the positive attitude.

McGuinty setting up Hudak for his tax cut campaign.

Could the Liberal-Conservative agenda be any more obvious?
A new hidden agenda?

 

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Not confused enough to believe all the bullsh*t, a lot of which you continue to peddle. When I was a kid we had a few chickens and I can assure you none of them required any electricity or diesel to lay eggs. I guess you city slickers will believe anything! :lol:

When you have a few chickens, I bet you didn't require electricity or diesel...but we're in the 21st century gramps. The eggs in the grocery store are not predominantly grown in backyards, they are grown in multi-million dollar operations, with thousands of hens, not a few! The eggs are hatched from hens in high light conditions, about 17 hours of light each day to promote egg laying, with massive fans to keep air circulating, and to prevent the hens from over heating in the cramped battery cages. The farms have high degrees of automation. Manure belts, egg collection, feeding...The eggs are shipped long distances.

Your ignorance notwithstanding, modern egg production requires large inputs of energy. Your ignorance again notwithstanding, our currency is not losing value. We are not in hyperinflation.

You're fond of colloquialisms and quotes, so here's an apt one for this instance, from Isaac Asimov:
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
As an aside to your jab about city slickers (my neighbours are a dairy farm, a boar stud operator, and a beef farm), I find it particularly humorous that there is a renaissance in food production. City slickers are producing more of their own food, with community gardens, and in some cases even urban hen houses!

:lol:
 

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I dunno.. Petrol is becoming very costly these days..


Yes and no.

Tonington[B said:
Your ignorance notwithstanding,[/B] modern egg production requires large inputs of energy. Your ignorance again notwithstanding, our currency is not losing value. We are not in hyperinflation.

You're fond of colloquialisms and quotes, so here's an apt one for this instance, from Isaac Asimov:
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
As an aside to your jab about city slickers (my neighbours are a dairy farm, a boar stud operator, and a beef farm), I find it particularly humorous that there is a renaissance in food production. City slickers are producing more of their own food, with community gardens, and in some cases even urban hen houses!

:lol:
All your ignorant insults aside, I am roughly aware of the modern process of egg production-mostly driven by greed, not to mention lack of concern for the hens or the lack of quality of the eggs. And there is something wrong with colloguialisms and quotes????????? (Usually I quote wiser people than you) As for Asimov he's entitled to his opinions but that doesn't mean they are more valid than anyone else's. (He probably just publicly said it first) As you get older you'll learn! :smile:
 

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am I supposed to tell you everything I know?

No, but if you were roughly familiar with modern egg production, you wouldn't have used a few hens in your backyard in the 40s or 50s as support for your objection.

You can continue to be as ignorant as you like, that's your right.
 

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No, but if you were roughly familiar with modern egg production, you wouldn't have used a few hens in your backyard in the 40s or 50s as support for your objection.

You can continue to be as ignorant as you like, that's your right.

Why wouldn't I? You don't really need a lot of electricity and diesel to produce more eggs............just bigger hen houses. New York City had a million people before there was electricity (as we know it) and they ate eggs.
 

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For a second time, because the two scenarios have no relation to each other...much like your connection between alleged hyperinflation and egg prices.

I'm more of a common sense person than a technical person and to me "hyperinflation" means rising wages, prices etc. running rampant..................that is what we common, colloquial folks have to deal with and a bunch of high fallutin baffle gab isn't going to change it.
 

PoliticalNick

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Inflation is actually not that high. Our problems with rising costs are more related to devaluation of the US & Canadian dollar compared to some other currencies.

Hyper-inflation is caused by flooding the market with more currency than is needed. The British tried this just before the revolution, they had 2 ships in Boston harbour producing huge amounts of counterfeit currency that took the price of a pair of shoes from $3 to $300 in a few weeks. It was their attempt to force the colonies to use only the pound as currency and prevent the colonies from producing their own fiat currency. Control of the currency was the main reason for the American Revolution.