Protests across Canada denounce wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

[Curiosity]

Rooting for yuh, Curiosity. Good posts.

However, as an aside, your average of posts per day is 666.

May the Devil dance with those who disagree with you today.

Hehe JimMoyer

Invoking the devil are ye??? I am typing this in hopes of upping my nasty "devil's daughter" number to a higher percentage.

Thanks for your support..... I didn't expect to win any agreement from the posters here.... only to write what I believe - which I thought was allowed under the heading of "opinion"....

At least this backlash is easier for me to sort out than when I first joined forums and nobody in Canada knew what to be mad at in the U.S. so they used to write "foreign policy" whatever that meant to me who had no idea...... With Clinton gone and Bush in position - the choice was easier to direct the anger.... ..... what is the phrase? Only the players and names change?

This is just way old stuff to me.... replayed again.

 

[sanctus]

Does that mean that you think Osama Bin Laden had some credability and had a legitimate reason
to fly planes into world trade center/pentagon/pennsylvania, which killed people from all around the
world.

Probably as much credibility as American jets flying over Baghdad dropping bombs on their population. Or are people of the Middle East less innocent than others?

 

[sanctus]

The mythological Isolationist Heritage of the USA arises in defensive conversation as does the mythological demands on the mythological love of mythological Americans for the victimhood of the worlds unamericanised underclass. What horrific crap.Someday those who espouse such hateful rot will face the judgement of the world court. Ignorance will be no excuse.:smile:

I think I agree with you, assuming I've understood this post

 

[jimmoyer]

Personally (and I know you didn't ask me) I think whoever did the 9-11 thing had some decent justifications (if you believe the official story).
------------------------------------mabudon--------------------------------------------------

You are wrong. And your wrong doesn't make it right.

So be what you hate. Be what you accuse.

Move away from the vicarious righteous arm chair and become the "bomb" you praise others to be.

 

[crit13]

Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl
well, as just one citizen of the world, let me just say to the usa, no


.half the reason the usa was attacked is their own fault in the first place for interfering

Probably as much credibility as American jets flying over Baghdad dropping bombs on their population. Or are people of the Middle East less innocent than others?

Really? Which part of the middle east did US soldiers occupy on 9/11?

You claim to be a pacifist but in reality you are simply an anti-American which proves my original post.

Or are people of the Middle East less innocent than others?

It appears that they are because I don't recall you or your ilk protesting the deaths of innocent Iraqi's when Saddam was murdering and gasing them. Now that the US is involved, you and your ilk are out protesting. Nothing has really changed except that the US has gotten involved.

Hence you have no leg to stand on when I call you out as being anti-American. You can't even deny it.

 

[Tonington]

Move away from the vicarious righteous arm chair and become the "bomb" you praise others to be.

Vicarious

Lots of vicarious living out there in TV land these days too.

 

[sanctus]

Really? Which part of the middle east did US soldiers occupy on 9/11?

You claim to be a pacifist but in reality you are simply an anti-American which proves my original post.




It appears that they are because I don't recall you or your ilk protesting the deaths of innocent Iraqi's when Saddam was murdering and gasing them. Now that the US is involved, you and your ilk are out protesting. Nothing has really changed except that the US has gotten involved.

Hence you have no leg to stand on when I call you out as being anti-American. You can't even deny it.

"Anti-American"-the buzzword of the mindless influenced by the propaganda of the warmongers.

My "ilk" was very much against the murders of President Hussein and his reigme. My "ilk" has had many of its membership murdered for practicing its faith. My "ilk" protests violence in any shape or form by any person or country. And yes, I can and do deny it. For your information I am also very much against our own involvement in Afghanistan.Does that mean I'm anti-Canadian?

 

[westmanguy]

I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO PULL OUT ALL OUR TROOPS AND LEAVE IRAQ IN CHAOS

Be against the ware, BUT GIVE US SOLUTIONS NOT MORE PROBLEMS.

man i hate these people.

 

[Tonington]

What solution is there except to let the Iraqi's sort it out? I mean maybe the troops could be re-deployed on the border to stop more fighters pouring in from outlying countries. It's obvious that the Coalition troops aren't being met as saviours, they're foreign invaders who have brought instability. For every insurgent killed there are more to take the place, can the same be said for the Western troops? Democracy is a fickle thing, a simple injection won't suffice. I really think that's what this zeal to wage war in Iraq was all about, like a modern cold war style spread of democracy.

 

[Curiosity]

Please stop this...... why do you Canadians have it in for the people in the U.S. so badly? What have they ever done to you? Personally I mean? Has an American come up to you and spit on you or slapped you in your face, or hurt your loved ones or robbed you or what?

I see lots of hate in my work but nothing like this undefined, free floating anger Canadians seem to indulge in..... be mad at me for bringing to the forefront of this topic.... but please look to yourselves to at least understand what it is you are so angry about....don't pack the junk around...there is nothing you can do about another nation's decisions.

If the U.S. is on a path to destruction, why is it any of your concern or business?

Be concerned for your own nation and see this kind of aggressive stuff is stopped, and however long it takes. For two powerful western nations to be engaged in a snippy little war of words leaves no hope for future cooperation in any important movements around the globe....strangely enough there are still people who count on the democracies of our world to set things right eventually.

You may have pushed away... if not a good friend.... but a necessary ally. Is that what you wish?

 

[darkbeaver]

I think I agree with you, assuming I've understood this post

I owe you one agreement .:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

Please stop this...... why do you Canadians have it in for the people in the U.S. so badly? What have they ever done to you? Personally I mean? Has an American come up to you and spit on you or slapped you in your face, or hurt your loved ones or robbed you or what?

I see lots of hate in my work but nothing like this undefined, free floating anger Canadians seem to indulge in..... be mad at me for bringing to the forefront of this topic.... but please look to yourselves to at least understand what it is you are so angry about....don't pack the junk around...there is nothing you can do about another nation's decisions.

If the U.S. is on a path to destruction, why is it any of your concern or business?

Be concerned for your own nation and see this kind of aggressive stuff is stopped, and however long it takes. For two powerful western nations to be engaged in a snippy little war of words leaves no hope for future cooperation in any important movements around the globe....strangely enough there are still people who count on the democracies of our world to set things right eventually.

You may have pushed away... if not a good friend.... but a necessary ally. Is that what you wish?

The most important movement arround the globe, in case you fail to understand, is the movement to destroy the USA before it destroys the planet. You do not live in a democracy,you do not promote democracy, you do not understand democracy and you have never exported democracy. You live in a nation of death dealing thieves and liars. And you invented country and western music.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO PULL OUT ALL OUR TROOPS AND LEAVE IRAQ IN CHAOS

Be against the ware, BUT GIVE US SOLUTIONS NOT MORE PROBLEMS.

man i hate these people.

Ah West the chaos started with the occupation, your hate is regretable, a personal solution for you would be to shut your TV off and read a book.:smile:

 

[earth_as_one]

It isn't anti-American to be critical of American foreign policies which led to 9/11 and continue to contribute to the next 9/11.

It isn't pro-American to blindly accept every idiotic self serving scheme coming out of the Whitehouse.

Most Americans I've met are likeable enough. Some are even knowledgeable and informed. But most Americans know little about the outside world, little about American foreign policy and they would be wise to learn what their country has been doing for the last 60 years in the middle east. Maybe then they might be able to figure it out when their leaders tell them bold faced lies about their intention to bring peace and democracy to the middle east.

Here are some facts all Americans should know:

The suspected 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon or Egypt. Not a single one came from Iraq. In fact not a single shred of solid evidence has ever been produced which links the events of 9/11 to Iraq.

Before Bush Jr. was appointed President by the Supreme Court, most of his advisors belonged to a right wing think tank known as "Progress for a New American Century" (PNAC). This group advocated pre-emptive attacks against possible future competitors, assuming regional hegemony by force of arms, controlling energy resources around the globe, maintaining a permanent-war strategy, etc... One of their primary objectives even before 9/11 was to invade and occupy Iraq.

Unconditional American support of Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine as well as billions in military and economic support has turned millions of Palestinians into landless refugees. Palestinians blame the US as much as Israel for the theft of their dignity, property and future. Each day as Israel kills more innocent Palestinian civilians, annexes more Palestinian land, demolishes more Palestinians homes and builds Jewish only colonies over the ashes, 1.4 billion Arabs and Muslims become more angry at Israel and the US.

Saudia Arabia and Egypt are among the world's most oppressive regimes. Their leaders rely completely on American support to maintain their brutal grip on power. Both nations have secret police which imprison, torture and execute anyone who attempts to make these regimes less oppressive. Egypt like Israel recieves billions each year in economic and military aid from the US. Its a bribe for Egypt's leaders in exchange for not complaining too loudly about the smoke of burning Palestinian homes and ignoring Israeli victims' pleas for help. Both Egyptian and Saudi leaders rely on American support to maintain power. Ordinary Egyptians and Saudis blame the US for their oppressive governments.

Seldom does our news ever interview Palestinians, Egyptians or Saudis. Usually we get a filtered view from an "expert", which usually represents the American or Israeli view. These so called experts aren't interested in informing us but in manipulating our opinions and obfuscating the real issues. But its a small world and if you want to know what people like OBL tink, you can read their own words:

Transcript of Osama Bin Ladin interview by Peter Arnett

The first-ever television interview with Osama Bin Ladin was conducted by Peter Arnett in eastern Afghanistan in late March 1997.

BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world. They should have been considerate that the qibla (Mecca) of the Muslims upheaves the emotion of the entire Muslim World. Due to its subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims (Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against the US, because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that God's word is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the Americans away from all Muslim countries. As for what you asked whether jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians in the land of the Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia, Mecca and Medina) or against the civilians in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers in the country of The Two Holy Places. The country of the Two Holy Places has in our religion a peculiarity of its own over the other Muslim countries. In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must leave. We do not guarantee their safety, because we are in a society of more than a billion Muslims. A reaction might take place as a result of US government's hitting Muslim civilians and executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians. This is what we say. As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places and its support of its agent regimes who filled our prisons with our best children and scholars. We ask that may God release them....

The rest here:

http://www.anusha.com/osamaint.htm

Read OBL's words for yourself. Don't rely on an "expert" to interpret his meaning. His problems with the west seem clear enough and are shared by millions of Arabs and Muslims around the world. Few people agree with his methods, but since 1997 far more Arabs and Muslims are listening to people like OBL than ever before. The Iraq invasion did more for OBL's causes than anything he could have done himself.

 

[darkbeaver]

Does that mean that you think Osama Bin Laden had some credability and had a legitimate reason
to fly planes into world trade center/pentagon/pennsylvania, which killed people from all around the
world.

Bin Laden and Al-Kada are pure CIA invention.

 

[catman]

So if China becomes belligerent what are you going to do? Have another UN conference?

China is not a threat to Canada. Only US interests in Asia. No war is necessary.

 

[m_levesque]

I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO PULL OUT ALL OUR TROOPS AND LEAVE IRAQ IN CHAOS

Be against the ware, BUT GIVE US SOLUTIONS NOT MORE PROBLEMS.

man i hate these people.

West, you are so confused. You really should move to the USA. WE DON'T HAVE TROOPS IN IRAQ.....Why do you write as if you were an American? Has the USA annexed Manitoba????

 

[tracy]

MLG, and once the conference is over and no resolution occurs what's your backup plan?

This is the thing no one acknowledges isn't it? We want people to just be nice to eachother, but some aren't. When they aren't should we just mind our own business? If that's the case why aren't we praised for doing that during the Rwandan genocide? I think it's because things are not as black and white as they seem. Sometimes we NEED the US to get involved. They are the strongest country at the moment and their influence can result in positive changes in the world. The US and Canada's involvement in the world isn't always good or always bad. I see nothing wrong with criticizing when we disagree with what our governments do, but at the same time I think we should acknowledge the good.

I have little patience for people who constantly complain about western countries' meddling, then complain if they don't think we're doing enough for or giving enough money to foreign countries. By the same token, I don't have much sympathy for the people who whine that no matter what they do their country will always be criticized so they may as well just say screw the world and never try to help again. That's weak.

 

[m_levesque]

Perhaps, and probably. Peace begins with one person saying "no". Ghandi toppled the empire without firing one shot. Dr. King changed America without firing one shot. Jesus influenced the world without killing one person. These are my models of behaviour. Naive, possibly, but far better to think of peace than of war.

Bless you Father. Though possibly naive, there is no shame in advocating peace.

 

[m_levesque]

for or giving enough money to foreign countries. By the same token, I don't have much sympathy for the people who whine that no matter what they do their country will always be criticized so they may as well just say screw the world and never try to help again. That's weak.

Weakness is giving in to the voices advocating violence..the true way of the bully who wats to beat up the little kid who dares disagree with him.